I know we are only five games into the season but I wanted to look at this now and as the season goes on. It appears Philbin is being missed in Green Bay and has boosted our offense thus far as the numbers show: Packers Stats: Last year: 405.1 yards per game and 35 points per game This year: 338 yards per game and 22.4 points per game Net effect: -67.1 yards per game and -12.6 points per game Dolphins Stats: Last year: 317.4 yards per game and 20.6 points per game This year: 373.4 yards per game and 20.6 points per game Net effect: +56 yards per game and +0 points per game Add in the fact that we are doing that with a rookie QB and that's pretty damn effective. The Packers net effect stat is shocking to me though. You can tell how our turnovers our hurting us in the fact that we now out gain Green Bay, yet score less than them.
I've been saying since he was just a candidate that he was effectively the man in Green Bay. McCarthy called the plays, but he did so based on Philbin's game plan. McCarthy was not a good OC before he got the HC gig. Calling plays is not indicative of HC success, the actual game planning is..and that was Philbin's job and he was so good at it, the HC followed his plans. Hell, he was so good at coaching in general, he was a holdover from the previous staff. Philbin is our answer, we've just got to get through this year.
I'm not sure you can gather much from the stats after 2 games, especially when these stats don't measure efficiency. Miami is 28th in passing efficiency right now, which isn't good.
All the points about Philbin may well be true (hopefully they will be). However, as a sample size, two games doesn't show anything due to all the other variables in play and the usual variation you would expect in performance week to week. To be honest i'm not sure you can point to such stats even with a season of data and identify Philbin as the specific reason why, as virtually every other variable in addition to Philbin is different too. Like I said though that doesn't mean that Philbin isn't having a positive effect here and isn't being missed in Green Bay. I just have a thing about stats and their interpretation and meaningfulness.
Yeah, it's interesting to look at but we need a much bigger sample size before we can derive anything conclusive. Especially given the fact that one of those games Miami scored 10 points and the other 35. One pretty bad and one maybe abnormally high. We need more games to see what a more normalized output will look like.
I like all of the positive comments on the board this week but everyone seems to be jumping the gun and just crowning people. It's been two weeks and we have one win against a horrendous Raiders team that had to play us on a short week traveling across the country. Lets give a it a few more games people. Also, the Packers have had to play San Fran and Chicago...
The Packers just played the best defense in the NFL plus a Chicago team that still has a pretty good defense when playing their oldest rival. If those stats hold up by mid-season, then I'll believe it.
Totally agree. Although watching the packers the last two weeks, something just looks off. Not saying that's due to Philbin, but they just seem different.
It will be interesting to track this throughout the season. IMO the Dolphin offense looks much crisper. Part of it is that the ball just comes out quicker so a lot of that is RT. But I also feel like the OL blocking has looked crisper. Obviously, they still screw up, but it doesn't appear to be b/c they're confused. Sometimes you just get beat. My impression is that this team is very well prepared. I do credit that part to Philbin. I don't have an opinion yet on whether he's being missed in GB.
Way too early to even call it a trend. I agree we need to wait till midseason before looking at this kind of data.
I certainly think the Dolphins are headed in the right direction. I just tend to agree with those who want to see how the rest of the season plays out before we start comparing the Dolphins offense to the Packers. Miami had the advantage of playing against a Raiders defense which looked absolutely terrible. Whether this was because of the play of the Dolphins or the fact the Raiders are just a really bad defense, will be determined as the rest of the season unfolds. The Jets game will be a better barometer of where the Dolphins are as a team right now. The Dolphins beat the Jets the last time they played them in Miami. Therefore the expectation is that, if the Dolphins have truly improved as much as many on this forum seem to believe they have, this week should certainly end with another win by the Dolphins over the hated Jets.
But we don't need any sample size at all to conclude that trading Brandon Marshall without "replacing" him was a mistake.
It does. Having players that berate teammates and bother coaches hinders having an efficient offense as well. Having X% of your resources to devoted to players with Y skill-level may help or hinder offensive efficiency. Now certainly there is a lot of room for debate as to how much certain players help and hurt a team based on those two factors, but I haven't seen anything that quantifies either argument. I'm not saying that the team is better because they traded Brandon Marshall. I haven't seen any evidence that offensively we were more - or less - efficient with or without him.
LOL everyone keeps saying that its too early to look at this... Seriously, did you all read my post?!? My first sentence states how this is still really early and that I plan on tracking this throughout the season... I just did some digging and thought people would appreciate this thread (even though it is early).
Also if you want something that does have some statistical significance and puts things in perspective: Last year the Packers scored 23 points or less during the regular season just ONCE. This year they have played 2 games and both games they have scored 23 points or less.
Not too mention, they are 1-2 without Philbin game planning for them. (They lost their playoff game when he was gone for the week dealing with the loss of his son.)
Most certainly worth keeping track of the rest of the year I appreciate your post sir lol. I've noticed a lot of the high scoring offenses this year are not even close to as potent? Defense in the NFL may not be dead yet.
Playing San Francisco and Chicago in back-to-back games on a short week is going to negatively affect your offensive production. I don't read anything into those numbers other than that's what playing 2 top 5 defenses does to your offensive.
With the small sample size, the two batted ball INTs loom HUGE in that number. Take those two picks and count them as imcompletions, and the rating jumps to 88.49! The number will even itself out, but using it against the team is equally as bad as jumping for joy if it were nearly 90.
Hasn't Greg Jennings also been sidelined? I don't believe he played against the Bears. His coming back will help. I expect the Packers to still put up some gaudy offensive numbers and finish in the top 5 in total offense once again.
The Seahawks are stuffing them right now, and Rogers has been sacked 8 times in the first half. Jennings is playing fyi.
UPDATED Packers Stats: Last year: 405.1 yards per game and 35 points per game This year: 304.3 yards per game and 19 points per game Net effect: -100.8 yards per game and -16 points per game Dolphins Stats: Last year: 317.4 yards per game and 20.6 points per game This year: 369.3 yards per game and 21.7 points per game Net effect: +51.9 yards per game and +1.1 points per game If you want something that has some statistical significance and puts things in perspective: Last year the Packers scored 23 points or less during the regular season just ONCE. This year they have played 3 games and in ALL 3 games they have scored 23 points or less.
UPDATED I know we are only five games into the season but I wanted to look at this now and as the season goes on. It appears Philbin is being missed in Green Bay and has boosted our offense thus far as the numbers show: Packers Stats: Last year: 405.1 yards per game and 35 points per game This year: 338 yards per game and 22.4 points per game Net effect: -67.1 yards per game and -12.6 points per game Dolphins Stats: Last year: 317.4 yards per game and 20.6 points per game This year: 373.4 yards per game and 20.6 points per game Net effect: +56 yards per game and +0 points per game Add in the fact that we are doing that with a rookie QB and that's pretty damn effective. The Packers net effect stat is shocking to me though. You can tell how our turnovers our hurting us in the fact that we now out gain Green Bay, yet score less than them.
not for my parlys. Had them as pickem and money line on two separate tickets. Dolphins covered +3 and +10 teaser, Ravens covered +1.5 teaser, Patriots covered a +.5 teaser, 49ers covered -9.5, -2.5 teaser, all i would have needed was Texans to cover a -9.5 and -2.5 teaser, but no the packers blew their game
They just talked about this during the Packers-Texans game. Collinsworth relayed what Aaron Rodgers said on Philbin. "He was great at halftime adjustments, and he probably did a lot of stuff up on that third floor with the coaches that we don't know about". Collinsworth then speculated that some of the early struggles for the pack could have been due to still adjusting to not having Philbin.
