I just saw an amazing commercial that caused me to go look them up. T. Boone Pickens was yappin' about energy SOLUTIONS and it got my attention. I don't know anything more about this guy other than what I read tonight, I'd be interested in any insight. It sure seems like he gives back;
T. Boone Pickens has a plan :)
I read through his website and on the surface it looks like it IS a plan...
http://www.pickensplan.com/about/
This is an interesting page, addresses some questions
http://www.pickensplan.com/news/
anyway, WE have been yapping about this issue, here is something to sink our teeth into.
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I am not knocking the guy, but he knows how to promote exactly where he has interests. If we can use wind power, and natural gas to reduce dependence on foreign oil, great...but keep in mind the man behind the message.
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Like GE holding numerous patents on "green" Tech, and then running " a week of green" specials on their NBC affiliated channels.finswin56 likes this. -
Any guy that has given half a billion dollars to philanthropic enterprises has immediate credibility and I don't think anyone should just assume a guy like that is trying to line his pockets unless you actually are able to explicitly connect A to B to C, which nobody in this thread has done.
However, his plan may be misguided for a number of reasons.jason8er, DeDolfan, gafinfan and 1 other person like this. -
Carnegie and Rockefeller gave away hundreds of millions, too. :wink2:
Specifically, Carnegie was a huge pioneer in the steel industry and it's many uses. If you look back, for a while around the turn of the 20th century we were dependent on foreign iron and steel for a majority of our market. It was Carnegie that conveniently found and implemented solutions to switch the country from iron to steel and wean us from foreign products. Doesn't mean he wasn't 'looking out for #1', as it were. I would suspect the same was the case here as well. -
For wind power to generate 20% of the country's energy, we would have to sacrifice tremendous amounts of real estate, including federally protected land, to set up the necessary wind farms. The return on investment is absurdly low.
Natural gas is fine, but good luck getting that past the envirowackos.
Back to the realm of realistically feasible alternative energy. Nuclear power is clean, safe, and efficient, but good luck getting a permit to build one--then good luck getting through the lawsuits to block it.Last edited: Jul 12, 2008jason8er likes this. -
why would we have to sacrifice tremendous amounts of real estate? you can farm under these things all day long.. the farmers would get a stipend, and we would get the energy.
Next, why would the envirowacko's (great word bro) protest natural gas ?? it is less polluting than diesel and gasoline.. -
I think the guy is right in his thinking. We need to think outside the box here. I don't care if its a combination of weeds, Biotech, wind power, Nuclear, natural gas, or hydrogen out of water and baking soda; we are in grave trouble. For the sake of our children, grandchildren, and countless others I, for one, am willing to at least listen to any wacko idea that has merit. Don't forget what seems wacko today will be normal or outdated 100 years from now.:wink2::up:
Sorry Desides but with gas climbing to $5.00 a gallon the time for "Realm of Realistically feasible" just took a flying leap into Grand Canyon on a wing and a prayer!! :hi5:Last edited: Jul 12, 2008DeDolfan likes this. -
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There is a lot of land that could be used which is of little agricultural value particularly in hilly or mountainous land.
.Having said its improbable that wind power will ever fill 20 pct of our needs.
Gas and nuclear power seems to be methods that could bide us over until such time as we have a viable ,clean and renewable energy sources available.
However both are based on finite sources of energy.There is only so much Uranium and gas available. -
The Pickens plan
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I saw an interview with him on one of the morning shows last week. They asked if money was a motive. He said that he was a 80 year old with a net worth of 3 billion dollars. He said the didn't need the money -- and you know what? I believed him.
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And the unsaid play here is that Pickens has also bought most of a aquafer, and intends to ship that water out of the wind farm region and into the Metroplex, meaning the area where the wind farm is will be bereft of water.
Pickens hijacked a local water board filling it with cronies to implement the plan, as the old proverb states "Fish see bait, not hook" -
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I like the McCain plan to switch the largest autofleet in the US to LP, the federal government has more vehicles then any other single entity, such a plan is workable and would make a dent in the use of gasoline, and it would not require a re-tooling of our infrastructure, we have 169 million cars or more, a statiscally insignificant number of them run on lp gas, how would any plan account for that many cars outside of banning non LP gas vehicles?
For me, Nuclear and Clean(er) Coal make far more sense then pie in the sky.. -
Was the the question? -
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I would call piping the water into the Dallas metroplex acting as if he owns all of the water in the Ogallalla aquifer.
After all, you can only sell what you own..right?
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He currently is heavily invested in natural gas and wold like to see that resource used more for transportation fuel and use wind to take relieve the burden elsewhere.
Exactly "why" do I take him at his word? ...just a hunch bro and nothing more. :hi5: I look at the vast amounts of his wealth he has given to other causes and ask, "what was his profit motive?" When I do that, I come up short for an answer there too. Sometimes people just choose to do the right thing and take it at face value.gafinfan likes this. -
And IMO, Pickens is pointing his finger in the wrong direction, that is to say, it's not Government that is the soloution, Government is the problem, we've yet to build a new refinery or nuclear power plant nor drill for more oil because of the Government, not in spite of them.. -
Who cares if Pickins makes money if it truly helps get us out of the mess we put ourselves in. And while you are somewhat right about Government being the problem its really the radicals within that are making it so hard to get things done.
Mr. Kennedy doesn't want his view blocked by windmills; of course at 12 miles out you would have to be in a boat just 2 miles from them to see them but who cares about such a mute point? -
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Seems Mr. Pickens ain't the only Texas Oil man interested in Wind power and Texas is moving right along while the rest of us are sucking wind. No pun intended!:wink2:
http://www.wired.com/science/discoveries/news/2003/08/60070 -
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Lol Marty I saw Pickens on TV tonight, I like this guy.:yes:jason8er likes this.
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