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The Production Of RB Lamar Miller Drops Dramatically After His 10th Carry Of A Game

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by shamegame13, Dec 20, 2014.

  1. shamegame13

    shamegame13 Madison & Surtain

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    http://www.miamiherald.com/sports/nfl/miami-dolphins/article4706007.html



    Interesting article that proves Lamar Miller isn't a every down work horse RB and probably never will be, despite him having a better year as far as avg goes, his chronic shoulder issues (which I already think was a reason why he gets a low carry count per game) and now the fact that after his 10th carry in games he gets substantially worse, we need a work horse type RB in our backfield... Lamar is a solid change of pace back.
     
  2. LBsFinest

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    Draft Melvin Gordon.
     
  3. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    Not sure that article proves anything. Again, it's not like Miller is out there by himself. There are a myriad of factors that come into play for him to successful.
     
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  4. shamegame13

    shamegame13 Madison & Surtain

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    @Resnor, I am assuming you didn't read the article then, I'm done playing your 'myriad of factors' game, the article clearly tells you after his 10th carry he is a tired running back, but of course you of all people will turn it into something else because you know more about football then everyone else.

    @LBsFinest, I dont know if you were joking or not, but we can def. use a work horse running back and I would love to get Melvin Gordon, he would be able to put a lot makeup on our identity-less offense. Also, drafting Melvin Gordon only solves half of the problem, the other half is switching our scheme to a power run offense, RT would benefit from the scheme greatly.
     
  5. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Oline gets exposed in the 2nd half of games..They've been a bad unit since albert went down.
     
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  6. Disgustipate

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    It's most certainly a variety of factors, not simply a deficiency in Miller.

    Something goes wrong, Philbin gets queasy, and then the Dolphins basically turtle offensively in a fashion that is very predictable and makes it easy for teams to play the run and short pass very aggressively. Miller ends up getting run in a very predictable fashion, and frequently gets stuffed.

    At the end of the day I would like to see Miller platooned with a power-oriented back, but I think the bigger issue is simply getting a coaching staff that isn't afraid of their own shadow.
     
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  8. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    man, imo, this is a bad sign for this staff.
     
  9. Piston Honda

    Piston Honda Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Good lawd this is so obvious if you can't catch on maybe try another sport.

    Miller is complimentary back, not a 18-25 carry player. Those are his limitations and the staff has to work within them. Unfortunately Moreno is hurt, DT & DW aren't effective so it falls on Tannehill to carry the offense. It's been that way virtually all year. Then Albert gets hurt and RT has to carry the O without good pass pro, something he's not good enough to do at this point.
     
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  10. 77FinFan

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    I really thought Williams showed some good stuff in the Detroit game, but not too many touches and his drops sure didn't endear him to the staff.

    I missed the Pats game. How bad was that drop?
     
  11. Piston Honda

    Piston Honda Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    It was bad but not horrible. I love Tannehill but he gave DW the ball he should have given Wallace, which would have been a TD, and he gave Wallace the ball he should have given DW, either a catch inside the 5 or a PI call. I don't mean to knock RT but in our current situation if he doesn't make the perfect throws we will have trouble competing with the upper echelon teams.
     
  12. resnor

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    That was a horrible drop by Williams.
     
  13. Pennington's Limp Arm

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    I like Miller and think he can be a useful weapon going forward, but he needs a reliable power back to be paired with.
    It started out perfectly with him and Moreno...
     
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  14. djphinfan

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    i would forget about that drop, he's got really good natural hands, an anomaly imo
     
  15. 77FinFan

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    Yeah, but I remember the short drop that he had against maybe the Jets? Go four yards, stop, turnaround and drop a pitch-and-catch pass. Facepalm.

    I thought he should have been getting DT's touches.
     
  16. muskrat21

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    interesting but it points to the dolphins being out coached by half time adjustments by other teams since they reference after halftime he's been useless. So miami has been out coached is what the article tells us. what's new?
     
  17. pmj

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    The much more obvious answer is that we can't run with authrority and impose our will when we need to. As our rushing attempts go up, our efficiency goes down. Especially since Albert went down.

    Also doesn't help when we dont (or our QB isn't allowed to) audible out of bad running plays. Omar had some good examples on twitter after the Ravens game.
     
  18. cuchulainn

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    Story of this season though. There's been at least 4 or 5 dropped TDs since the season started where guys had the ball within their grasp and lost it... that was a beautiful play, great route, nice damned pass, Williams has it in his hands and loses it. Tannehill was crushed by the defense and watched the drop from the ground. Terrible drop... on par with Wallace dropping the game winning TD he had in his hands against Carolina last season.
     
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  19. muskrat21

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    9 carries for 43 yards after 10 carries for 50.... oops.
     
  20. Clark Kent

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    Would rather have Todd Gurley.
     
  21. muskrat21

    muskrat21 Well-Known Member

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    he has no knee left....
     
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  22. shamegame13

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    I like Gurley too but not more then Gordon, choosing a RB with knee problems is a high risk, Gordon is the obvious best choice RB in draft.
     
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  23. Clark Kent

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    ACL's are not career killers anymore. AP ran for 2000 yards less than a year removed from his.
     
  24. muskrat21

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    so todd gurley has AP's money and cells and body and training regiment, and trainers, and doctors...... just because one guy did it, doesn't mean everyone after him will. Latimer says hi.
     
  25. Clark Kent

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    Marcus Lattimore destroyed his entire knee. Gurley tore his ACL. It's not a career threatening injury.
     
  26. muskrat21

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    so did frank gore. He seems to have had a fine career. But Lattimore is not Frank Gore, just like Gurley is not AP.
     
  27. Conuficus

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    Well away from here
    I would rather have neither Gurley or Gordon honestly.
     
  28. DolphinGreg

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    Yeah, this wasn't one of those "I wish Mike Wallace was good enough to lay out for that" kind of missed opportunities.

    The ball was perfectly thrown to Williams in stride and he flat dropped it. It was a choke job. He was wide open a few years from the goal line.

    I think it's safe to say that it was the "ugliest" or "clearest" drop of the year. Even an average RB like Williams probably catches that ball 4 times out of 5.
     
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  29. DolphinGreg

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    Dead on.

    Some people think that when a stat says "Miller average 2.5 ypc" that it's a Lamar Miller stat.

    It's not, it's a running game statistic.

    You cannot use a system-level statistic as the basis for component-level discussion.
     
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  30. shamegame13

    shamegame13 Madison & Surtain

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    But, that IS Lamar Miller's stat (it's not D. Thomas' or D. Williams'), it's Lamar's average after the his 10th carry of games, the article didn't lie to you. Sure, we can say the line in second half isn't holding up which is ONE factor and ANOTHER factor is Lamar doesn't get better as the game progresses as this article proves. What is so hard to grasp?

    You just like to argue for the sake of argument I can see. If it was another poster (Resnor) that brought up this article you would be in agreement, but since it was me you wanna argue, if I said the sky was blue you would tell me it's pink.
     
  31. shamegame13

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    So who is it that you want? Don't tell me Lamar, he's a good change of pace back, but will never be a work horse type RB.
     
  32. DolphinGreg

    DolphinGreg Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    What?! Are you serious?

    I don't have any allies on here. It's just a chat forum. Don't take stuff so personally. I have no f'ing idea who you are.

    It's the friendships and cliques that are annoying as hell.

    I'm sure I agree with you on lots of stuff.

    In general though, Miller is a smaller back and during the course of games, its the physicality that Miller doesn't have--and more importantly that our O-line lacks--that brings down Miller's statline.

    I like Miller but he's a smaller, faster back, not a thumper whose going to max out in the 4th quarter.

    And seriously...a RBs ypc is the result of 11 guys so how is it not a system-level stat?
     
  33. ExplosionsInDaSky

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    We just need a power back to compliment Miller. Bring Moreno and Williams back.
     
  34. DolphinGreg

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    Miller and Williams are back not doubt about it.

    Not sure I'm interested in Moreno coming off the injury. That scares me and he probably won't be ready for the start of the season anyway.

    I say we still need a big, strong, physical runner who can pass protect.
     
  35. rafael

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    I believe Frank Gore will be a FA next year.
     

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