The real QB ranking.

I wouldn't put Kaepernick above Tannehill. If you just go by passer ratings, Kap is stagnant while Tannehill is on the rise. Also, the TD/INT ratio for Kap keeps getting worse and worse each year, while the opposite is true for Tannehill.

I'd also not put any rookie QB that high on the list given how often projections turn out to be wrong.

"cbrad wrote:

I wouldn't put Kaepernick above Tannehill. If you just go by passer ratings, Kap is stagnant while Tannehill is on the rise. Also, the TD/INT ratio for Kap keeps getting worse and worse each year, while the opposite is true for Tannehill.

I'd also not put any rookie QB that high on the list given how often projections turn out to be wrong.

I don't choose qbs based on just passer ratings, especially ones that can hurt you with their legs, scrambling and playmaking don't seem to fit into the stat dept, seems silly to leave that out of the equation no....so you would take proven over what you believe to be the better player in the future?.

Hope you have thick skin lol...

- Big Ben is 33 years old. Taken a ton of punishment in his career and is on the fringe of his prime. You would rather have him for 3-5 years, than a 25 year old Cam Newton? Than a 26 year old Matt Stafford? A 26 year old Ryan Tannehill? I get Aaron Rodgers at 31, because he's out of this world talented. Not Big Ben though.

- Mariota and Winston ahead of a number of established QB's is highly questionable. I don't like Mariota as an NFL QB. Going to bust hard. Winston, I kind of get. Certainly would put him ahead of any 2013 QB's. Below Cam Newton and Stafford, 100%. Newton and Stafford have established themselves, even with any perceived or actual flaws.

- No Manziel? Didn't you like him? I wouldn't want him or rank him, but I just thought you did. Might be wrong.

- Derek Carr is way too high. He took care of the ball, good TD/INT ratio but that's about all he did well. Teddy Bridgewater was superior in every other way. I think he's a little overrated.

- Kaepernick is way to high. A lack of mechanics, pocket awareness, and ability to read defenses make him ineffective IMO. Has regressed every season. Give me Tannehill, Newton, Stafford, Ryan, all day erry day > Ckaep.

"Clark Kent wrote:

Hope you have thick skin lol...

- Big Ben is 33 years old. Taken a ton of punishment in his career and is on the fringe of his prime. You would rather have him for 3-5 years, than a 25 year old Cam Newton? Than a 26 year old Matt Stafford? A 26 year old Ryan Tannehill? I get Aaron Rodgers at 31, because he's out of this world talented. Not Big Ben though.

- Mariota and Winston ahead of a number of established QB's is highly questionable. I don't like Mariota as an NFL QB. Going to bust hard. Winston, I kind of get. Certainly would put him ahead of any 2013 QB's. Below Cam Newton and Stafford, 100%. Newton and Stafford have established themselves, even with any perceived or actual flaws.

- No Manziel? Didn't you like him? I wouldn't want him or rank him, but I just thought you did. Might be wrong.

- Derek Carr is way too high. He took care of the ball, good TD/INT ratio but that's about all he did well. Teddy Bridgewater was superior in every other way. I think he's a little overrated.

- Kaepernick is way to high. A lack of mechanics, pocket awareness, and ability to read defenses make him ineffective IMO. Has regressed every season. Give me Tannehill, Newton, Stafford, Ryan, all day erry day > Ckaep.

1} Big Ben...would i take 5 years of big ben over a cam newton?..hell yes, because I don't believe cam newton has the good to win a championship so why wouldn't I

2} Mariota...You call him a hard bust...I call him a star....were both on the record..

3} Manziel..I said if he took the game seriously and he wasn't a punk at the next level like he was in college he would be successful...could be wrong on that eval..maybe he starts to take the game seriously now that he's been humbled.

4} Derek carr or Bridge, its a good debate, I don't think you can say one way or the other, their close in potential..

Mariota at 5?!?

"djphinfan wrote:

I don't choose qbs based on just passer ratings, especially ones that can hurt you with their legs, scrambling and playmaking don't seem to fit into the stat dept, seems silly to leave that out of the equation no....so you would take proven over what you believe to be the better player in the future?.

Yeah, I think Tannehill's upside does it for me. I think he's got one or two more years of going up before plateauing (wow! just realized that word has 4 consecutive vowels haha!). And while you're right about the scrambling ability, I think Tannehill is the better pocket passer so that part should even out.

"djphinfan wrote:

1} Big Ben...would i take 5 years of big ben over a cam newton?..hell yes, because I don't believe cam newton has the good to win a championship so why wouldn't I

2} Mariota...You call him a hard bust...I call him a star....were both on the record..

3} Manziel..I said if he took the game seriously and he wasn't a punk at the next level like he was in college he would be successful...could be wrong on that eval..maybe he starts to take the game seriously now that he's been humbled.

4} Derek carr or Bridge, its a good debate, I don't think you can say one way or the other, their close in potential..

If you can gamble on 5 years for a broken Ben, you have to then rethink your position on 4 years of guys like Brady and Brees, no?

I would still take 3-4 years of those guys over everyone except your Top 3.

1) A. Rodgers
2) A. Luck
3) R. Tannehill
4) M. Ryan
5) M. Stafford
6) B. Roethliberger
7) R. Wilson
8) D. Carr
9) J. Flacco
10) B. Bortles
11) T. Bridgewater
12) C. Newton

I wouldn't "attach my wagon" to anyone else, and would rather roll with a nobody for a year and then draft some yet unknown.

Gimme great pocket passing and decent ability to run, over can only do sh*t with the legs but sucks in the pocket. It has to be INSANELY hard to learn to be great in the pocket when every play you're looking for a running lane. Same for pocket guys...when they're great there, they're always looking for the open guy.

I'll take pocket.

This will not be popular. I would take Brady for his last years. He is my number two after Rodgers and before Luck.

I like your 1 and 2, I'll give you that.

"heylookatme wrote:

I like your 1 and 2, I'll give you that.

I would think that 1 & 2 would be nearly universal.

Damn, you guys are ranking Cam Newton extremely low... Three straight years of progression as a passer, prior to his car accident and offensive implosion. Has duel threat ability. Carried an offense on his back since his rookie year. 26 years old. I guess I'm in the minority, but I'd love to have Cam Newton.

"Clark Kent wrote:

Damn, you guys are ranking Cam Newton extremely low... Three straight years of progression as a passer, prior to his car accident and offensive implosion. Has duel threat ability. Carried an offense on his back since his rookie year. 26 years old. I guess I'm in the minority, but I'd love to have Cam Newton.

I'm not going to try and use any stats to back up my claim. I just don't like him. Eyeball test and his personality. Watching him play, I don't think that you can rely on him. There are a lot of big plays, but also a lot of bonehead ones. Plus, the constant and increasing chance of injury due to his style. No thanks.

"Clark Kent wrote:

Damn, you guys are ranking Cam Newton extremely low... Three straight years of progression as a passer, prior to his car accident and offensive implosion. Has duel threat ability. Carried an offense on his back since his rookie year. 26 years old. I guess I'm in the minority, but I'd love to have Cam Newton.

There was a pretty big debate on Newton a while back when he signed his big contract... as a passer I don't really like him, but you can't deny his talent as a running QB, besides the fact that he's extremely tough and can run over people if needed. Might be the homer in me, but I'd still take Tannehill over him and over a lot of other QB's.

1} Aaron Rogers

2} Andrew Luck

3} Russell Wilson

4} Ryan Tannehill

5} Matt Ryan

6} Cam Newton

7} Ben Rothlesberger

8} Joe Flacco

9} Blake Bortles

10} Derek Carr

11} Jameis Winston

12} Teddy bridge

13} Matt Stafford

14} Nick Foles

15} Colin Kaepernik

16} Marcus Mariota

"The Sportz Guy wrote:

Mariota at 5?!?

yes I would take a Mariota at #5, build an offense around that beautiful skill set and kick all y'all asses for the next decade.

"cbrad wrote:

Yeah, I think Tannehill's upside does it for me. I think he's got one or two more years of going up before plateauing (wow! just realized that word has 4 consecutive vowels haha!). And while you're right about the scrambling ability, I think Tannehill is the better pocket passer so that part should even out.

your a stats guy I thought, just based on the passing numbers Kaepernik has a 90 career QBR, not counting what he does on the ground or whats he's accomplished in the postseason....and Im sure Resnor and co.have Kaepernik ahead of ryan, because I know they only look at the numbers....aint that right guys?

lol..thats a good one right there.

"rdhstlr23 wrote:

If you can gamble on 5 years for a broken Ben, you have to then rethink your position on 4 years of guys like Brady and Brees, no?

I would still take 3-4 years of those guys over everyone except your Top 3.

ben is a young 33 and todays are qbs are playing longer than ever..brady is four years older..so is brees almost.

"rafael wrote:

1} Aaron Rogers

2} Andrew Luck

3} Russell Wilson

4} Ryan Tannehill

5} Matt Ryan

6} Cam Newton

7} Ben Rothlesberger

8} Joe Flacco

9} Blake Bortles

10} Derek Carr

11} Jameis Winston

12} Teddy bridge

13} Matt Stafford

14} Nick Foles

15} Colin Kaepernik

16} Marcus Mariota

thanks for playing the game correctly, unlike some who won't even rank a winston or a mariota..really surprised where you got Newton

If Brady had taken the beating Roethlisberger had taken (plus adding in the times he would have been sacked when Roethlisberger managed to pull away and get the ball off) he would be strongly considering retirement last year. He hasn't got the frame Roethlisberger has. Personally, I don't like a run first, or even a QB who is focused on the run except as a planned, and practiced means of extricating himself from a rampaging herd of defensive linemen. Occasionally, a run option being stuck in the routine to keep the hesitancy in the Defense's minds is good. But keep in mind that the minute the run is started, all rulebook protections for the QB are off the table, and don't you think that every DB in creation just drools for chances like that!

"djphinfan wrote:

I don't choose qbs based on just passer ratings, especially ones that can hurt you with their legs, scrambling and playmaking don't seem to fit into the stat dept, seems silly to leave that out of the equation no....so you would take proven over what you believe to be the better player in the future?.

I don't understand your concept of "proven".

You claim it is a huge factor, yet have rookies high on the list. Then your concept of proven becomes even more inconsistent, by having Luck over Wilson & Ben & Flacco.

"djphinfan wrote:

yes I would take a Mariota at #5, build an offense around that beautiful skill set and kick all y'all asses for the next decade.

So, as long as you emulate the Oregon offense in the NFL...

I'd hesitate to call Ben a "young 33". He's a tough guy, but taken a ton of punishment.

My list puts Mariotta near the bottom. Putting him that high when he hasn't thrown an pass in an actual NFL game is a bit crazy IMO.

1) Aaron Rogers
2) Andrew Luck
3) Russell Wilson
4) Ryan Tannehill
5) Matt Ryan
6) Cam Newton
7) Ben Rothlesberger
8) Joe Flacco
9) Jameis Winston
10) Blake Bortles
11) David Carr
12) Teddy bridgewater
13) Matt Stafford
14) Colin Kaepernik
15) M Mariotta
16) A Smith
17) A Dalton