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The Speculation is True (Henning's playbook is built for a Penny type QB)

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by PhinsPhan23, Nov 12, 2010.

  1. PhinsPhan23

    PhinsPhan23 New Member

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    ``Same.''
    Not even the playlist you take into any given game?
    ``Plays are based on who we're playing. I don't think we'll have a different scope of things,'' Henning said. ``You obviously know different people see things differently. They read things differently. When it comes down to the quarterback, there's judgment that takes place in the game. So, you might see him do something that [Henne] didn't do. You also might see him do something that [Henne] did do that may not be as good. That's what you live with whenever you make that kind of change.''


    Read more: http://www.miamiherald.com/2010/11/12/1921557/change-of-chads-in-name-only-for.html#ixzz154n4tJJP

    You know, I always thought the plays called were a little strange but this just proves that Henning is the type of coordinator who will thrive with a QB that is accurate. All of the routes in this playbook call for precision throwing skills and not necessarily a strong arm (although the sideline throws we see often are going to be tough for Penny).

    I'm guessing Penny is going the thrive in this offense and that the staff will end up giving up on Henne. Hope that doesn't come and bite us in the *** when he goes to a team with a different scheme. Not saying it will, I'm just hoping it wasn't the OC the whole time.
     
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  2. Nappy Roots

    Nappy Roots Well-Known Member

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    A good coach can adapt to the players, not need the perfect players to be successful...Henning is ***. This is proof.
     
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  3. finfaninilinois

    finfaninilinois Active Member

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    well god damnit get colt brennan - perfect system for him:up:
     
  4. Robert Horry

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    How does this mean they are giving up on Henne? If anything it tells me a new OC is coming in next year that brings a vertical and spacing offense rather than this bull**** offense we run.

    "Look at me I'm Dan Henning and I like to "design my offense around the defense." I like to be a chameleon with my offense! I am such a genius!"

    Sounds like ****ing Paul P from last year. He would adapt to the offense instead of imposing his defense.

    Instead of Henning FORCING the defense to get out of the Cover 2 we have been playing against, he allows them to play it. FORCE them to change to a cover 3, FORCE them to get out of their "safe and stable defense."

    Hell I dont even see why we wouldn't run a Post, Dig, and Streak, and Post-Corner with our wideouts in a play. Thats forcing the defense to make a CHOICE in a Cover 2. Henning is letting the defense not make a CHOICE.
     
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  5. Zod

    Zod Ruler of the Universe

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    Really, you do not have a clue as to how dumb this commentary really is.
     
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  6. Disgustipate

    Disgustipate Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Are we really going to do this again? By "this" I mean seizing upon something that really isn't all that noteworthy as such an astounding, damning indictment?

    Not only did the playbook not change, but it's probably got conservatively 80% of the same plays as every other playbook that every other professional NFL team uses.

    People are acting like Dan Henning installed a 1980's West Coast Offense that's full of 3 and 5-step drops and short timing routes, and it's really asinine. Deep passes are a fundamental part of both Dan Henning's offense, and his entire offensive tree. Chad Henne didn't utilize them organically because he didn't get his reads that far, and the offensive staff isn't going to sit there and keep dialing up called deep passes when Henne would sit there and throw it regardless of coverage.
     
  7. emocomputerjock

    emocomputerjock Senior Member

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    A thousand times this already.
     
  8. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    Keep the blinders on if you want. It's the same offense, same philosophy, same methodology, same plays, and this "80 percent of the plays are the same as every playbook" excuse is the biggest red herring statement I've seen in months.

    How the quarterbacks are taught to read the field and make their decisions is a key to what an offense is. What plays get called in what situations is a key to what an offense is. What routes combinations are favored in the passing game is a key to what an offense is. The freedom and method for changing the play at the line, changing the protection at the line, changing the snap count, those make an offense what it is.

    Dan Henning and Tony Sparano both said a LONG time ago that this offense was not going to change because Chad Henne was in the game as opposed to Chad Pennington. And it didn't. The propensity toward max protect didn't change. The key reads on the receiver progressions didn't change. The play calling didn't change.
     
  9. Phinz420

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    Henning is a conservative, boring coordinator who needs a like minded QB for his "system". Only thing is, now with our changes at OL he wont be able to rely on the Wildcat to do the dirty work. At least, I hope he had learned his lesson on that....

    Face it, Henning is the laughing stock of OCs. How do any of you justify him "dialing up" playactions on 3rd and long....CONSISTENTLY......

    He is a bum, and he has to go for us to have any real hope offensively.
     
  10. Third Man

    Third Man Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    And that's just very poor coaching, in my opinion. Coaches who try to force players into schemes rather than adapting the schemes to their players inevitably fail. I remember Bobby Petrino trying to run the option a few years ago in Atlanta with Joey Harrington. It was laughably inflexible and doomed to fail, which it did.

    People think that Bill Walsh invented the West Coast offense and then found Joe Montana to execute it when that's exactly backwards. Walsh built the West Coast around Montana's strengths: his feet, field presense, and accuracy. He admitted openly his preferred type of offense and quarterback was a down-the-field, Joe Namath-kind of guy. But he knew what he had in Montana and did what the job description of coach tells you to do: adapt.
     
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  11. vt_dolfan

    vt_dolfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    Ok.....

    Look at the style of offense Miami Dolphins had prior to Dan Marino. Then look at the style of offense they had in 1984 and 85.

    Im not saying Henne is Dan Marino. What I am saying is, the coaching staff on hand, changed their system to fit their players....not the other way around. If Shula and his OC (I cant remember who it was)...could see what strengths they had....and changed according to those strengths....why cant Sparano and Henning?

    Why are they so steadfast to mold the players to what they want to do....
     
  12. Stringer Bell

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    Do you really think none of this was ever run? How many times did we run a post or a streak, get a guy open, and Henne didn't make the play?
     
  13. Stringer Bell

    Stringer Bell Post Hard, Post Often Club Member

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    Because his QB hasn't figured out how to stop staring down his receivers?
     
  14. emocomputerjock

    emocomputerjock Senior Member

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    I don't even know why you bothered posting screenshots, for all the good they've done.
     
  15. Stringer Bell

    Stringer Bell Post Hard, Post Often Club Member

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    People will believe what they want to believe. But the fact is, there were plenty of opportunities for Henne to use the skills he has.
     
  16. MikeHoncho

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    Wish I got paid to try and fit square pegs into round holes.

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    Upon further review, that kinda sounds dirty, and the above pictured is a triangular prism
     
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  17. Rhody Phins Fan

    Rhody Phins Fan Well-Known Member

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    When did you post screen shots. I missed them and would really like to see them.
     
  18. emocomputerjock

    emocomputerjock Senior Member

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    It was post Bengals game, that much I can tell you. It may have been in of the short box offense threads. Sorry I can't help further.
     
  19. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    is charlie weiss a bum because he runs pretty much the same offense
     
  20. Stringer Bell

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    It was in Mike's "small box" thread in the Club.

    I'm actually going to take some time this weekend and post some video up of what I've been talking about.
     
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  21. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    much appreciated in advance :up:
     
  22. vt_dolfan

    vt_dolfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    Charlie Weiss has the number one rushing offense in the NFL. Pattern starting to develop for you yet?
     
  23. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    hey i have been saying the run game has been the main culprit from the beginning of the season. its started to improve the last couple of games but still has a ways to go. henning absolutely needs a running game since his offense is predicated on balance. but he doesnt determine personnell. That's Ireland and Sparano

    my point was its not the playcalling or philosophy its the fact that we have holes that are due to personnell. you can try to cover it up and overcome it but the NFL is brutal about exploiting your weaknesses and if you dont have a QB who can be effective in a pass only offense there's only so much you can do
     
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  24. vt_dolfan

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    Or if you put a QB who can excell in a pass only offense...that is designed around more of a wide open passing attack....instead of a pass only offense that is designed around a run first...being able to run attack.

    They've been forced to pass much more often...(on average 7 more attempts per game than in 2008)...but the offense is still based around run first. Thats why we see so many PA passes....that look so stupid.

    Henning hasnt changed his play book to reflect an increase in passing....he calls the same passing plays he would if we could run the ball effectively. Same routes....same PA Passing.

    Think about it. We cant run against Cover 2. Is it any wonder our offense sucks. We are always at the dis advantage.....


    Peyton Manning would do a better job in this offense then Henne...dont get me wrong...but he wouldnt look nearly as good as he does in Indy's offense. Conversley, if we were a top 5 rushing team...Henne would look a hell of alot better then he does now.
     
  25. ToddsPhins

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    lazy a$$ mother *******!! :shifty: That's settling mediocrity and less than 100% while other teams are doing everything in their power to optimize their offense based on their personnel. This is only setting Henne up for failure.

    I'm not even sure its as much their "decision to not change" as its their inability to do so. Henning is an old dog...... and Sparano is a pup.
     
  26. vt_dolfan

    vt_dolfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    They said that and made that assumption when they had a top running offense.
     
  27. mroz

    mroz Fix the OL Club Member

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    As Bum Phillips said about Shula, he can take his and beat yours and he can take yours and beat his... That is the sign of a great coach... guess Henning does not understand that concept. :pity:
     
  28. jdang307

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    Tony Sparano also said we needed chunk yardage. So hope and pray for chunk yardage while keeping the philosophy the same? Sounds dumb if you ask me.
     
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  29. mroz

    mroz Fix the OL Club Member

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    I don't think it is lazyness I think it is philosophy. TS's philosophy is a big physical team that grinds opponents down. He is trying to play that kind of football with an OL that does not fit the scheme.
     
  30. emocomputerjock

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    You're going to make Zod mad if he has to go get Henne's college tapes out again.
     
  31. mroz

    mroz Fix the OL Club Member

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    Can't get chunk yards if you are not willing to take the risk.
     
  32. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    i completely agree. but the bright side is that the run game has improved the last couple of games so now they just need the defense to keep them in the game and they can go back to a balanced attack. i dont think tennessee is going to light us up on offense so if we keep the turnovers down and special teams keeps that return guy in check we should be able to run a balanced offense all game long. the key to attacking tennessee in the run gm IMO is being able to run off tackle though
     
  33. mroz

    mroz Fix the OL Club Member

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    Never heard of him.... :shifty:
     
  34. mroz

    mroz Fix the OL Club Member

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    the only thing I fear from the Titans is if we can't contain CJ. I think we are OK otherwise.
     
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  35. mroz

    mroz Fix the OL Club Member

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    Well, in all fairness didn't we all think they were going to have a good running game going into the season? I can tell you I did...
     
  36. Bpk

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    Woody Hayes would have been so proud of Henning.


    THe same Woody Hayes Parcells revered so much he asked a mutual friend to set up a chance to meet the legendary coach so they could talk football.

    That final line, about seeing passing as bad, is something I know HEnning has said/written. I can;t remember if it was in Henning's QB manual / Offensive PRinciples guide (which Alen shared with me and is fascinating) or if I heard him say it at a press conference, but I am 90% sure I have heard Henning parrot this line.
     

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