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The Tua Injury

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by GARDENHEAD, Sep 19, 2021.

  1. GARDENHEAD

    GARDENHEAD Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Tua definitely got blasted, but nothing outrageous. QBs take hits like that every week. But Tua got carted off the field.

    Those questioning his durability pre-draft may have been into something. Sheesh.
     
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  2. pumpdogs

    pumpdogs Well-Known Member

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    Never played full season in college either.This was a stupid draft pick!
     
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  3. TheHighExhaulted

    TheHighExhaulted Well-Known Member

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    It was an unblocked 280 lb lineman from the blind side. Give me a break.
     
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  4. Dorfdad

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    If he is hurt for any length of the season where do we turn what options are available even signing Watson now won’t help as he would be suspended?? We need two qb’s now
     
  5. pumpdogs

    pumpdogs Well-Known Member

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    Who cares it's no loss.Ask the the pats corner last week.He makes 1 read and then throws it up.
     
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  6. mlb1399

    mlb1399 Well-Known Member

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    I’ll never understand the decision to draft him. He had a history of injuries in college and it doesn’t get any better in the NFL, especially when you’re undersized.
     
  7. Dorfdad

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    I want a Big Ben josh Allen sized QB
     
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  8. Serpico Jones

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    Jacoby Brissett is a big bastard.
     
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  9. Pauly

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    It was the 3rd unblocked hit on him in a series and a half. The last one may not even have been the one that did most of the damage.
     
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  10. pumpdogs

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    Unless he has crazy mobility like Kyler Murray!
     
  11. GARDENHEAD

    GARDENHEAD Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Are you kidding? That stuff happens in every NFL game. You gotta be able to take a hit and not get carted off. It’s not complicated.
     
  12. TheHighExhaulted

    TheHighExhaulted Well-Known Member

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    Tough guy posting this from grandma's basement.
     
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  13. pumpdogs

    pumpdogs Well-Known Member

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    Not.like Brissett didn't get hit.I didn't see him carted off
     
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  14. GARDENHEAD

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    Its got nothing to do with that. I watch football. This hit happens. Your quarterback needs to be able to handle that.

    Not sure why the personal attack. I’m not trying to be a tough guy. I’m not a tough guy. I’ve watched enough football to know Tua is just plain soft.
     
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  15. pumpdogs

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    Yes that was a stupid response!
    Wake up Tua is glass.He has never played a full season at any level and that is a fact!
     
  16. mlb1399

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    That’s his MO. I’d take it with a grain of salt. There’s no sugar coating Tua, his injuries and not being a tough player. Some are still in denial.
     
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  17. ExplosionsInDaSky

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    I've been a staunch Tua believer, but the Bills game from last season put everything on hold. Then he gets knocked out of this game. I've seen enough. I want to believe in him, I want him to be great, but I don't think it's going to happen. He doesn't play like a great QB. I watched Derek Carr last week against Baltimore and then today against Pittsburgh. He's a gutsy underrated quarterback that can win you football games. I watched Taylor Heinicke for WFT Thursday night. Another player that plays like his life depends on it. Plays like he's starving, plays with supreme confidence. Now neither Carr or Heinicke are GOAT level QB's, but they give their teams a chance.
    I don't see a confident, gutsy player with some moxy to back it up when I watch Tua. He's terrible at making quick decisions. Again....Quick decision making, playing in chaos, those are qualities great QB's have. What I see with Tua, is a player that loves the sport, was a legend in college, but isn't going to get it done at the professional level. He's a career backup in my opinion. He'll have a ten year career, he'll be on ESPN discussing college football by his late 30's. I can't believe I am already saying this about him, but I am already done. I saw it last week a little bit with the Patriots in a game we had no business winning, and then he flat out gets knocked out in this one today. EVERY time he has started a game that was a must win/statement game, he has failed. I know it's still early into his career, but he's not IT. If he can come back from this and get it together, I will gladly eat these overly emotional fanboy words. I'll be waiting.
     
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  18. GARDENHEAD

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    I HATE that I agree with every word. Ugh.
     
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  19. texanphinatic

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    It's not good, that's for sure. Hopefully it's short term - good or bad we need to see if he can take it up a notch or not. This was very disappointing.
     
  20. Sceeto

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    Imagine if this team drafted my boy Herbert. Ahhhh! F!!! :escape:
     
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  21. pumpdogs

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    So true!
     
  22. Destroyer

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    Herbert has two awful INTs today but god some of his other throws remind me of Marino.
     
  23. OwesOwn614

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    Let it flow.
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  24. Sceeto

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    At this point, depending on if he will be able to play or not, I would trade the next 35 first round picks for Watson.
     
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  25. The_Dark_Knight

    The_Dark_Knight Defender of the Truth

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    Look guys, let's take Tua being injured off the table for a second and let's be REAL about a few things.

    One of the Dolphins biggest weaknesses over the last decade, if not longer has been the offensive line. That's a historical fact. The Dolphins have not had a 1000 yard rusher since Jay Ajayi, Ryan Tannehill was one of the most sacked quarterbacks in the league with the least amount of time between the snap of the ball and contact from the defense and the tale of unlocked defenders getting in the backfield continues to this day. Without a stout offensive line, your running back can only do so much, your quarterback is running for his life or worse, as in today's game, he's getting planted. And speaking of being planted...

    I've seen quarterbacks who were looked at the wrong way and defenders were flagged for roughing the passer. Now, I am one of those who complain all the time about quarterbacks being TOO protected but if they are, then that rule needs to be enforced equally. Tagovailoa was PLANTED...driven into the turf which in this day and age of quarterback protection rules constitutes roughing the passer.

    And lastly, we played the Buffalo Bills. All last season and thus far this season, the Bills have been anointed the new gold standard of the AFC East. It's not like we were blown out by the Jaguars, or the Lions or the Jets. The Bills are who we thought they were.

    Now is Tagovailoa a weak quarterback and doesn't have what it takes to make it in the NFL? That debate can be had all day long but I don't care WHO you are...if you're planted blindside by a 280lb defensive lineman with the veracity that Tagovailoa was today, you're going to get hurt.
     
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  26. Serpico Jones

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    Tua didn’t really even get rocked that hard. Brissett took some bigger hits and got up.
     
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  27. The_Dark_Knight

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    Really????
     
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  28. mlb1399

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    Problem is he had injury issues before the draft and he’s made of glass. That’s always going to factor into the conversation when you spend a fifth pick on someone who can’t put together a healthy season.

    Yeah our OL is definitely an issue. Why Grier decided to go with an OL that averages about 1.5 seasons of experience is beyond me but that’s what it is. They should get better with time and experience.

    Even IF Tua gets better, will he stay healthy? Can he be trusted to put together a full season? What if he gets injured going into the playoffs? Why even take that risk with him in the top 5 of the draft?
     
  29. Fireland

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    What God awful blocking on that hit too. Even if Miami ends up with a more durable QB they won't stay durable for long taking hard hits like that they aren't at fault for.

    Tannehill was pretty durable until he finally wasn't after years of getting smashed
     
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  30. KeyFin

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    Tannehill was RIDICULOUSLY durable since he was taking hits like that every single week...that's honestly what made me change from a critic to a fan of his. You can't run an NFL offense like that regardless of who your QB is. It just doesn't work for obvious reasons.
     
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  31. The_Dark_Knight

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    This is the point I was trying to make...I don't care who you are...if you're getting hit time after time after time, you're GOING to get hurt...Tagovailoa, Tannehill and even Fitzmagic who himself is out if memory serves me correctly
     
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  32. KeyFin

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    Fitz went down late pre-season? Maybe it was week one, but I'm pretty sure it was before that. He's out for the season.
     
  33. The_Dark_Knight

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    Yea, I just finished that Chargers/Cowboys game. Herbert would still be 1-1, either in LA or Miami
     
  34. ExplosionsInDaSky

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    You see, I thought we had the offensive line shored up? I mean, we've spent a lot of picks on that particular department. I don't understand it. There's quite a bit of youth on that line now. I'm not sure why we got rid of some of the vets that we did, but Ohhh-Kay. It doesn't look good now. We passed on Penei Sewell in the draft, that may or may not prove to be a mistake. We'll see...But what good is Waddle without a Quarterback to throw him the ball? Brissett...For all his experience...was terrible today. Again, that was on the O-line. They did nothing to help either QB or the run game today. If the offensive line continues to do this, I think we're in for a long crappy season. Again though, a franchise QB can mask a flawed offensive line to a certain extent. I disagree with people saying that guys like Watson or Aaron Rodgers couldn't throw behind this offensive line. Disagree vehemently. Yes....It's a liability at this very moment, but both Watson and Rodgers are playmakers. They make quick decisions in chaotic moments. Something we haven't had at the QB position since 1999.
     
  35. mlb1399

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    Don’t forget Slater too. Last year I wanted either Herbert or Wirfs at 5. Can you imagine if we had Wirfs and got a chance at Mac Jones this year after cashing in 3 first round picks?
     
  36. brandon27

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    That's quite the turnaround from last year for you.

    I know I was critical of him last year for his play and took some flack for it but I never meant it as a slight against the guy, just discussing his play. Im not ready to write him off just yet; theres potential there, but that constant deer in headlights look that I get from him is a pretty tell tale sign to me that the game is too big for him still. Makes sense, he's still very inexperienced but the flashes aren't even there from him and this offense. It's not all on him, the OL has alot to do with this too, but if you just zero in on him when there's pressure and his first read isn't there, the freeze, and the panic sets in. The very first sack of the day is an example of it to me. That free rusher is coming right in his face, he's looking in that direction, turns his head to the middle of the field then gets smoked. There's just no awareness, no spark, no flash just a guy who looks like he doesn't belong right now and is going through the motions and everyone else on that unit around him knows it.

    It may be fixable; but right now the gameplan is easy if you're an opposing DC. Put pressure on him to make a throw beyond read #1. They know we have no running game and shaky pass blocking so make Tua beat you. Nobody is afraid of him at this point, not even in the slightest. Pressure him, press the WR's to stop the short passes and screens, play good run D. Game over.
     
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  38. Deus ex dolphin

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    But would Herbert be.... healthy?
     
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  39. Fireland

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    Miami consistently makes their QBs look like their worst. Regardless of what Tua's ceiling actually is I think he would look a lot better if he was on the Patriots.
     
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  40. Rick 1966

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    We spent a lot of picks and FA money on O-linemen. Just the wrong ones, as usual. I said it during the 20 and 21 drafts, we drafted the wrong o-linemen. I don't know if Flores or Grier made those decisions, but they were stupid then and look even worse now.
     
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