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Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by djphinfan, May 8, 2014.
Thanks. Wished I could say the same...
Correct. But there will be many more busts. Value of pick is irrelevant if they player produces. Its not a minimal risk. I'd rather we drafted players that improve our team. James does that. In our worst area. Would he have been there at 27? We'll never know because it's not a vacuum.
What risk, no one is drafting James... no one... not until the middle of the second round maybe third roudn... good lord some people will defend everything we do even when the value was terrible.
The story could of read that we picked a guy we targeted at 19 at 27 plus got an additional pick. OR we picked Cooks because the better lineman were gone.
Could of read that way.
Or one of the best safeties or corners in the draft....or.....
Too much drinking for draft night tonight lol.
Let's get Shayne Skov in the second round...
Just wondering what Lauren Tannehill thinks of the pick..
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She'll definitely have less wounds to lick this season.
Man, so many difference makers still available. Just a wasted opportunity. Nice we got a good RT, but our front office did not do their job tonight.
Wrong. No competent GM would field trade offers if the player on his board was the guy he BADLY WANTED and felt the VALUE matched or surpassed the draft slot. It's Sales 101 dude. If you walk into a store and see something you need badly but at a price you feel is too high, you're gonna pause and shop it around b/c the price doesn't match the value. You still wanna buy it, just at a cheaper price. Hickey shopped for a better price on a product he needed badly. If he felt the product [James] carried greater value to where it matched the sale price [the 19th pick], he would've bought it without hesitation. What's not to understand here?
Your being just as daft as they are. 3rd round. My ***.
Yeh...f'n GM how dare he protect our franchise QB.
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lmao... too fkn funny... quick click the video of our pick. lol...
He won't be there, but good to dream.
It's not a vacuum, but it's pretty likely. You have a player that was a consensus 2nd to 3rd round pick. And you have a group of teams with very obvious needs that don't include RT. Is it possible that some team with a lesser need for a RT would have also had James rated so highly that they would be willing to take him over another bigger need? Or that some other team with less of a RT need than Miami would have been willing to trade up to get James? I guess, but that seems very, very unlikely.
Stop Raf, you're talking as if you're an ex scout or something who knows what he's talking about. Oh wait....
I doubt anyone was complaining during that draft...It looked like a slam dunk right away.
I'd say they did by boosting the offensive line.
What happens tomorrow will be the key. So far I'm OK with what we did.
Time to move forward. Still have some players to draft.
If we can Get Robinson or Matthews tomorrow, all is forgiven.
Why do I get the feeling Pouncey for one reason or another, will not make it through January.
you mean like how the Browns did when they knew #4 was too high for their target player Gilbert so they traded back a handful of spots first? You mean like how Oakland traded back last year with us to get their player at better value? Hell, we could've traded back and got a 3rd and then traded back up a few spots at the cost of a 5th like Cleveland did.
Last I checked Ryan Tannehill was the key to the franchise. Keeping him healthy trumps everything, maximizing value in the draft included.
Draft value being a relative term because we are only through round one. 6 more rounds, rookie-mini-training camp practices, the preseason, and Oh yes, there are actual games to be played, the Pats and Bills to begin the season IIRC.
I wanted the best OT available all along, you know that. I'm still going to wait and see how he pans out before I declare him a good or bad pick. I'm sure you remember the gasps when we took Mike Pouncey over a potential franchise QB like Ryan Mallett.
So what if we didn't take a skill guy, let's give kid a chance.
Weirdest boner right now.
Can we have Spielman back?
No one believes that's your weirdest boner
We will forever regret letting Speilman get Bridgwater.
Even better… all of us here can pick up on it, and would give him a talking to.. but not a one of the dimwits from Ross to Philbin nor his staff will even register this on their radar. You wonder how culture reaches a crisis point… through negligence and gutless stupidity at the helm.
I'll say this much: this Dolphins franchise definitely has Ross' DNA.
Leaves us wide open for the rest of the draft I guess, which is a good thing. We get to go BPA from here on out so maybe we can pick up some playmakers, a TE, Skov or Borland.
cute, but I thought we all agreed that was Parcells doing?
I don't have a problem with the player as I've said MANY TIMES. I'm merely disappointed in the fact we didn't get better value from the selection, IE: an extra draft pick when there was no urgency by the rest of the league to reach for James with so much value still present on the board. Hell, take the 3rd and then spend a 5th to trade back up for him. At least get something for the reach.
Seriously man, Carolina's left tackle just retired, yet they passed on Moses at 28 in order to take value. Sua-Filo is still on the board despite being an equal or better prospect at his position than James at tackle, and there were guard-needy teams picking after us. Seattle's Oline is worse than ours and they skipped on Sua-Filo, not b/c they took someone else but b/c they decided the value wasn't there and traded back instead. Denver needs a guard badly and they passed on Sua-Filo and Bitonio, too.
Look at the picks after us:
20. Cardinals: much greater needs on defense than reaching for RT. Tony Jefferson with 3 NFL starts was penciled in at Safety. If they're not ok with Bobbie Massie, they can fill RT by re-signing Eric Winston.
21. Packers: Bryan Bulaga
22. Eagles: Lane Johnson
23. Chiefs: just spent last year's #1 pick on a tackle. It's known that they're ok with Donald Stephenson. They had a greater need at guard after losing BOTH starters, yet even they didn't reach to fill a need.
24. Bengals: Andre Smith? C'mon
25. Chargers: DJ Fluker? Hello.
26. Browns: Would be ridiculous to replace the 2012 high 2nd rounder Mitchell Schwartz with James.
27. Saints: obviously weren't trading up for James with Streif at RT.
28. Panthers: need a plug and play LT, not RT.
29. Patriots: a top RT in the game.
30. 49ers: a top RT in the game.
31. Broncos: a top RT in the game.
32 and beyond: At this point an organization would be comprised of idiots to TRADE UP to 26 or higher for James. The Redskins at 34 would've been our closest competition, and entering the draft without having a 1st rounder, there was no f'n way they give up another draft pick to trade up for James.
It seems beyond ridiculous to not grab that extra 3rd and still overdraft James well before anyone else could get their hands on him.
well, Hickey knows he reached for James, possibly instigated by Philbin. That'll probably leave him wanting to kill it in round 2 with the addition of an impact player, so hopefully Seferian-Jenkins comes into play.
A Darin sighting!
This alone was worth the risk to my sanity of popping in here.
and drafted Benjamin, not scared but committed to winning, that's an 11 win playoff team with a more valuable QB, that needs a LT.