There is no doubt the Ravens game was fixed
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Bonedoc7777New MemberOPSay what you want but you dont throw a defensive holding penalty away from the play to determine the outcome of a game like that unless you were looking for a way to keep the drive going
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personally i wouldnt call it defensive holding. that kinda stuff happens every play. seems whenever the ravens did something well to change the game, a flag was called.
#1dolphinsfanNew Memberthe Defense coach messed that up for the ravens they got the stop but he called a timeout
yea rex ryan did screw it up, but i also think the officials screwed it up too.
unifiedtheoryluxury_boxI thought the holding call was marginal and the PI call was a little stinky.
The one I have an issue with was a non call for grounding on Brady. He was throwing the screen and it was covered. Sure, he was out of the pocket but the ball hit the ground 3 yards short of the line of scrimmage.
The Pats are the best team in football, without doubt....they are also the luckiest team in the history of sports.
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lbmclean_sjNew Memberits 20/20 hindsight to say that Ryan screwed it up
lbmclean_sjNew Memberits funny that 2 Tedford-trained QB's decided to throw the game away in consecutive weeks
NaboCaneNew Member:001_rolleyes: i'ts somewhat comforting to know that no matter the record, the season, or even the forum - some things never change.
sports24/7subscriberI don't think it was fixed, but when you have a team like the Pats they just seem to get those calls. After the 4th down timeout mishap I said to my friend "There is no way the Pats lose now." Stuff like that just seems to always work out that way. And I have to agree with unifiedtheory, the Pats are the luckiest team I have every seen in pro sports and it sucks. It's not just this year, but throughout their "dynasty" it seems like every break goes their way. And in that time it also has seemed like every break has gone the opposite way of the Dolphins. There is no way to explain that. It's just depressing. All we can do is hope karma will eventually hit and the roles will be reversed.
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Desidesforum_veteranNormally, I am the last person in the world to ever knock the referees for anything. Most of the calls they make are pure judgment, and they're a lot closer to the action than we are.
That said, this game was so clearly and obviously rigged on the part of the officials that it's nauseating. Roger Goodell has yet another challenge on his hands: cleaning house in the officiating department, starting with NFL Vice President of Officiating Mike Pereira. Don't wait until tomorrow morning to fire him: call him at home, have him put the call on speaker so his family can hear, and fire him right there. I'm talking a Donald Trump, or perhaps a Vince McMahon, style of firing. Dump him.
Unfortunately, due to the fact that the season is still going on, the current referees will have to remain in their jobs. However, the batch of referees who handle the Patriots' games should be sent over to Oakland, but ensure that the plane detours through the Arctic Circle, or at least Iranian airspace.
Immediately after the Super Bowl concludes--before the Lombardi Trophy and the MVP awards are handed out--every referee in the NFL should be fired. Even the sideline referees should be fired--anyone remember the infamous fifth down incident? No one should be safe. After that, increase referee salary to $95,000 a year, travel expenses prepaid, and hire full-time officials. Train them immediately, six days a week. Presuming they possess the intelligence of, say, colon bacteria, they should catch on pretty quick.
The new batch of referees will screw up calls for at least the 2008 season. But, you know what? At least they won't collectively be in the tank for one team, and won't manipulate the rulings to favor that team. Why not? Because being paid $95,000 a year and getting to travel for free removes the financial incentive on the part of the referees to screw with the game.
The last three minutes of Patriots/Ravens should be replayed. Get the teams together tomorrow night and replay the entire stretch beginning with the Patriots getting the ball at their 40 yard line. Tom Brady had the ballsack to criticize the officiating in his postgame interviews. Are you kidding me, Tom? Does Belichick have your perception of reality so warped that you can't tell that the referees handed you the game-winning touchdown? You actually think the refs helped the Ravens? Okay, here's your chance to prove you can win on an even pace with the Ravens. Replay the last possession. Do it again. Prove it.
Oh, and change the rules regarding player contact. It's ridiculous that a corner or safety cannot be physical with a receiver.
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Easily the most frustrating game ever, in terms of rooting for a late season unbeaten to fail. Normally you get breaks late in those games, like the Giants against Denver in '98 and San Diego a couple of years ago against the Colts.
Both teams managed two score leads late via big plays. When the Ravens failed in that regard tonight, I more or less waited to see how the Pats would pull it out.
Are we really going to have to depend on Eli Manning? Yikes. I know many people have faith in Pittsburgh but that figures to be the one game NE returns to its pre-clinch intensity, at home vs. a team it may have to meet in the playoffs.
I forgot to mention that I watched the game in a Las Vegas sportsbook and the one thing no one was saying was the game was fixed. It wasn't even close to the pointspread, which closed -18.
Fixed, now that's the brainstorm here when a basketball team makes a half court shot at the buzzer to lose by 3 when the spread was 4.5. No joke. That's actually what you hear.
Would Boller and the Ravens have been given the same benefit of a doubt on calls like the defensive holding? I'd thrill to bet no. The league benefits tremendously with a story like an unbeaten potential team for the ages, so no doubt the refs are influenced, even if subconsciously.
That game reminded me of Miami/Ohio St '02 in the Fiesta Bowl, so many 4th down chances to end the game but always something bizarre standing in the way.
Vertical Limitforum_veteranI thought it was a great game actually. It felt like a heavyweight championship fight. Those Ravens have a ton of character. They played hard and they got on the Patriots faces and let them know they're not afraid of them. But Tom Brady is too good to get shaken up.
Didn't like the call either, but I think it's only going to get tougher for the Patriots. Pittsburgh is next.
I find very ironic that the team that USED to get away with playing the very same way would end up being the beneficiary of such calls. I'm sure the Colts and Rams watched the game with upset stomachs, knowing that the same tactics that Bellicheat taught and used to beat them in the biggest of games, would be reversed to ensure a Pats victory. Someone should loose their job over this!
Vertical Limitforum_veteran"#1dolphinsfan wrote:
the Defense coach messed that up for the ravens they got the stop but he called a timeout
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think there is a rule that states that only PLAYERS and the Head Coach can call Time Out. I do not understand how they applied Rex Ryan's time out. How does he even have that authority?
cnc66luxury_box"enforcerfin33 wrote:
lol...good arguement.
the burden of proof lies upon the accusers.. this wasn't a fixed game, PROVE it was without the unsupported diatribe...
Big ENew Member"cnc66 wrote:
the burden of proof lies upon the accusers.. this wasn't a fixed game, PROVE it was without the unsupported diatribe...
wha? I hate it when you use big words! :confused2:. I dont think the game was fixed..BTW.
mbsinmiscforum_veteran"Awsi Dooger wrote:
I forgot to mention that I watched the game in a Las Vegas sportsbook and the one thing no one was saying was the game was fixed. It wasn't even close to the pointspread, which closed -18.
Fixed, now that's the brainstorm here when a basketball team makes a half court shot at the buzzer to lose by 3 when the spread was 4.5. No joke. That's actually what you hear.
Would Boller and the Ravens have been given the same benefit of a doubt on calls like the defensive holding? I'd thrill to bet no. The league benefits tremendously with a story like an unbeaten potential team for the ages, so no doubt the refs are influenced, even if subconsciously.
That game reminded me of Miami/Ohio St '02 in the Fiesta Bowl, so many 4th down chances to end the game but always something bizarre standing in the way.
I rooted for the Pats to lose as hard as anyone on this board. Those two screwups on 4th down cost the Ravens the game. NFL games arent fixed.
Who's next ?
Big ENew Member"mbsinmisc wrote:
I rooted for the Pats to lose as hard as anyone on this board. Those two screwups on 4th down cost the Ravens the game. NFL games arent fixed.
Nethier are NBA games. :up:
kadiddlehopperNew Member"Desides wrote:
Oh, and change the rules regarding player contact. It's ridiculous that a corner or safety cannot be physical with a receiver.
Agree with everything not quoted and especially this last part. It's like it's illegal to play defense. Can't touch the girls throwing the ball right on down the line. Sad.
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I don't think it was fixed, but when you have a team like the Pats they just seem to get those calls. After the 4th down timeout mishap I said to my friend "There is no way the Pats lose now." Stuff like that just seems to always work out that way. And I have to agree with unifiedtheory, the Pats are the luckiest team I have every seen in pro sports and it sucks. It's not just this year, but throughout their "dynasty" it seems like every break goes their way. And in that time it also has seemed like every break has gone the opposite way of the Dolphins. There is no way to explain that. It's just depressing. All we can do is hope karma will eventually hit and the roles will be reversed.
I think you just figured it out for yourself, and I qoute "throughout their "dynasty" it seems like every break goes their way. And in that time it also has seemed like every break has gone the opposite way of the Dolphins"
The Pats are a prepared team, and is always working toghter to win their FO has done an excellent job and you cant take that away from them. Brady is a hell of a player. Dont say its luck, there is no such thing (it'd called desire, preparation and sacrifice), you make your own destiny, the Pats have done a great job and they deserve the credit for it. To say that it's luck is cheap. What about when Marino could win a game on his own no matter what? Was that luck? No way the guy was a hell of a player and he wanted it more that the other guy, period.
Big ENew MemberThe Pats arent a lucky team. They are a well coached, well executed team.
burger13New Memberthey are lucky....they are good and well prepared too, but they are lucky.
Brady stopped on 4th and short. LUCKILY, Ravens had called a timeout, so they get another shot. They didn't get another shot because they were well prepared or cause they were good.
Next play, run. stuffed. False start on the Patriots. did they false start because of how good they are? how well prepared? they were lucky that their guy flinched on a critical play that was doomed to fail.
Many other plays they were good rather than lucky....but they did have their share of luck.
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