When Pat White was first drafted ST coach Bonamigo (Bono to HC Sparano) said "Now we have someone to return kicks" (paraphrased) so with Ginn showing a distaste for Kick Returns and Bess being unspectacular at punt returns, will P White be our kick returner in order to increase his value to the team?
I think he might be simply because I cannot see Sparano and Ireland keeping him as only a 3rd Qb/Wildcat Qb.
What say you?
BTW, his interview is up on Aquavision, White is really soft spoken..
Will Pat White return kicks for us this season?
Poll closed Jul 6, 2009.
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No, he's too valuable to risk injury returning kicks
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Yes, we need a boost on Special Teams
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Too early to tell,
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Yes, and he may play some Wr as well.
7 vote(s)16.7%
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Why in the world?
No.
He is learning the QB system right now. The entire system. + the WC playbook, AND he has lined up at reciever. I am 100% that he will not be reutrning kicks or punts. He is fast and agile...but we got some fast and agile dudes who jobs are to do exactly that. -
Recall that is the reason why the left Wilford inactive for most of the season.
That rule is so strict that even Wake had better be able to cover kicks and do a good job of it.
P White is a fast dude, I doubt HC Sparano will allow him to sit on the sidelines and sip Gatoraid and chat with Chad Henne during the game.. -
Not sure you can have a rookie QB returning kicks. I think learning the playbook and such will not afford him the time he would need to put in practicing returns.
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Pat White is the starting QB for WildCat
GinnJr is the kick return specialist -
I can't see then having P White on the active roster and only running maybe 8 WC plays a game, even the kicker would see the field more. -
I still think Ginn would be the best returner we have. As far as Ginn showing a "distaste" for returning kicks, I don't think he has much say in that. If Sparano wants him returning kicks, that's what he will do. No one has to remind each other of how ridiculously fast Ginn is, he has the potential to break one every time he touches the ball.
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But if you recall, last year they took Ginn off return duties so he could focus on playing WR. So obviously they view the returner as someone who needs to put in the time working on it.
I would think that White is in the same situation. He is a rookie QB in the NFL, I doubt they would have him working on returns at this stage of his career. -
At this point, I'm the sole cop out vote with "too early to tell".
That said, it wouldn't surprise me at all.
I know he was focusing on QB during the OTAs and I would expect him to get a lot more reps in under center during TC and preseason, but I can see him being asked to contribute elsewhere, as well. I don't think anyone really believes White is going to be a QB only, do they?
Back ups are expected to contribute on special teams. White is much better suited to line up as KR/PR than anything else on STs so I could see it happening. -
The reason I think they will not have Pat White returning kicks is because kick returner is a dangerous job. You've basically got full grown men in pads running full speed trying to know the **** out of you at the other end.
They've taken away the wedge this year IIRC and that makes it even more dangerous.
I can see White at WR just not as a KR/PR.
Also, if you do project White at WR at any point we've drafted 3 WRers... -
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Keep in mind, once the season starts, there are only so many reps to go around, Penny will receive the bulk of snaps, Henne enough reps to come into the game in an emergency, leaving P White to learn WildCat plays, and there will be only soo much time spent on those. -
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I still think that if White is going to be a returner, he will have to spend a good amount of practice. There haven't been any reports of White practicing as anything other than a QB thus far, so I have a hard time projecting it. -
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There are only bad scenarios, IMHO, that would result in Pat White returning kicks. If he demonstrates no ability whatsoever to be a backup QB, a wildcat QB, or a QB of any type in the NFL, then maybe they would throw him in as a kick returner just to recoup some value.
So, I guess maybe it could happen, but only under scenarios that would mean Pat White was a bust for the reasons we drafted him.
I don't like the sounds of that scenario.PhinsRock, Colorado Dolfan, cnc66 and 1 other person like this. -
The alternative is we drafted P White to run the WC, he is not talented enough to do anything else and I don't believe that for a minute. -
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I don't think you have a rookie practice as a QB and have him work as a returner. Just my opinion though. -
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I'm certain they've done exactly that with Chad Henne SB, even Pennington knows it and has said as much during an interview...:sad:
And I don't particularly care for Chad Henne, IMO he strikes me as an arrogant jerk. -
And it wasn't that the KR blocking unit was terrible Cobbs did well as the KR.
It would be tough to see Sparano concerning himself with White's psyche being injured because he is returing kicks instead of sitting on the sidelines sipping Gatoraid and being the 3rd string Qb, that just doesn't sound like Tony Sparano's way of doing things. -
I don't have any issues with Henne, but once you start anointing players as the future, thats when you lose the team. Henne needs to earn it. -
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A QB returning kicks is a bit different than a defensive lineman moving to linebacker, IMO. And Wilford is a poor example since he is only trying Hback and only because he has completely and utterly failed as a WR (in Miami at least). -
No.
nonono.
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IMO, it's a big enigma.
Paraphrasing some of the other things you mention in this thread:
White needs time to learn the playbook in order to be effective at QB.
He's probably not going to line up under center
He would need time to learn routes etc in order to be effective at WR.
I agree with all of this 100%. and that's why it's such a mystery to me what we're going to see out of this guy.
I guess myself, I just have a hard time wrapping my head around seeing us draft someone in the 2nd round and then him only getting on the field for 10 or 12 plays.
Maybe the plan is more long reaching. It may well be that we see him focus predominantly on learning WC QB this season and maybe in the future he learns to contribute at WR or RB or KR. Or..maybe I'm totally off base and he never does anything else. It might be that his contribution for those dozen or so plays is significant enough to justify his position as WC QB only.Stringer Bell likes this. -
Maybe they saw an athlete that can contribute to the team. They said they drafted him as a QB, whether thats completely true or not, just because they used a 2nd round pic on someone doesn't mean it was for him to make an impact immediately. Look at Chad Henne, he was a 2nd round pick, and he hasn't made an immediate impact.
Just because we think Henne is DEFINITELY the future QB of the Dolphins doesn't mean thats what the FO is thinking. Thats why we're the fans and they're the coaches. We all trust this regime to get the job done, so lets just sit back and enjoy it.cnc66 and Stringer Bell like this. -
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The whole idea of two QBs with significant playing time could screw with team unity, though. I think that's where a really strong coaching philosophy would come to bear. Y'know?
I guess my thinking is it's one thing to view White as the "WC QB" and Henne (or Pennington) as the "starting QB"
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To me, "if" P white can Qb the spread/WildCat for a series, say the first series of the 2nd half, and if he does a good job of it he would be worth keeping under glass as it were.
But my gut tells me Sparano doesn't role like that, "if" P White is a good enough Qb for that role and that much playing time, then why have Henne?late again likes this. -
The chances of White or Henne becoming Pro Bowl caliber QBs is still a bit of a long-shot. When it comes to the QB position, you always have to be looking for talent, and hope that talent pans out. -
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The Dolphins should run the GT triple option with Pat, Ronnie, Ricky, Cobbs. There are multiple times on this high light video that I end up following the wrong guy.
P.S. As a Seminole fan, I hate playing GT =(
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They MIGHT try him out there but i honestly do not think he will end up returning kicks for us.
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