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this board and the abusive form of censorship we're seeing

Discussion in 'Site Suggestions and Questions' started by NaboCane, Nov 30, 2009.

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  1. NaboCane

    NaboCane Banned

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    It seems the leaders of this forum have lost sight of the fact that its purpose always was and always should be to provide a venue for discussion.

    Now, it is a venue for discussion - but only of the positive side of topics. If removed - and apparently, everyone else on staff - doesn't agree with the OP's viewpoint, then the viewpoint gets censored in the form of being moved away from the discussion forum in which it belongs, to what has now become the phins.com gulag: the club lounge.

    I'm calling out Mal and George for allowing this abuse to happen in their name. I'm calling you out for allowing the censorship of valid ideas and discussions simply because a vocal few just don't ****ing like what's being said.

    Or, in Marty's case, because he doesn't like me and certain others who happen to agree with me.

    I think your silence on this matter is a shame, Mal and George.

    Your tacit approval of this censorship of members who paid to be here just the same as those few who want to be able to tell others what to say is even more a shame.

    And your continued employment of removed as a Moderator, a position of power which he does not deserve, reflects poorly on you and the community WE built together.

    Letting him run roughshod over other members without consequence, letting him insult and deride members repeatedly without consequence, letting him be successful in his attempts to carry out a personal agenda in the guise of his duties to the site...that's entirely on YOU.

    Letting him do what he's done to me, in public, without consequence, tells me how little you value someone who has been loyal to you sincewe've known each other.
     
  2. Alex44

    Alex44 Boshosaurus Rex

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    Woah Nabo, you know I like you and enjoy your posts. Maybe this is something you should have taken to PM with an Admin however. I'd hate to see you get in trouble/banned from the site.
     
  3. NaboCane

    NaboCane Banned

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    You're going to spend the rest of the ****ing night and through the end of time deleting this, and I'll keep reposting it.
     
  4. NaboCane

    NaboCane Banned

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    I don't give a good goddam. I won't be silenced in a community I helped build.
     
  5. Celtkin

    Celtkin <B>Webmaster</b> Luxury Box

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    Knock it off, Joe. You have no ****ing idea how hard I have worked to get you two knuckleheads to come to peace or what I have done behind the scenes.

    If you or anyone disrupts this site, I will ban them, regardless of the length of time that person has been here.

    Find a constructive way to vent or leave.
     
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  6. NaboCane

    NaboCane Banned

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    I have a legitimate point. Youre not addressing it, choosing instead to threaten me with expulsion.

    You are allowing the censorship of valid, well-thought-out posts simply because a select few don't like the topic. Or, in my case, because Marty has decided that he will carry out an agenda against me.

    It IS NOT incumbent on me to reach out to the person in a position of power to ask him to stop taunting, deriding and insulting me in public. You know that.
     
  7. Celtkin

    Celtkin <B>Webmaster</b> Luxury Box

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    I have addressed the problem (again) in private and had you sent me a message, you'd have known that I had. Instead you chose to throw a tantrum and make things personal. I have already dealt with your earlier report and just got off of the phone with Marty after talking about it.

    We do not allow personal remarks about other members in open forums so this will be my last public reply.

    I am insulted that you chose to point a finger at me after all I have done. If you think that this is the most effective way to get me involved, you made a bad estimate, my friend.

    I've asked George to weigh in and as soon as he has done so, this thread will be closed so, by all means, say your peace now but be respectful and don't play loose with the facts as you do.
     
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  8. NaboCane

    NaboCane Banned

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    You may be angry, but you really shouldn't accuse me of things I haven't done.

    I have not played loose with any facts, ever. I may not be privy to what goes on behind the scenes, but I haven't misstated anything in my assessment of this situation.

    1. You created Club for the expression of ideas in a thoughtful, valid way.
    2. Threads and posts containing the very qualities desired in Club are being moved to another forum.
    3. Those threads and posts were made by members who are a part of Club; their posts are no less thoughtful than any others there.
    That's on that score.

    As far as Marty's agenda; I have made you aware of his insults toward me in the past and you have responded; I have no trouble with that. But he continues to attack me in a forum that is meant to be above that sort of thing, and throughout he has remained a member of your staff. Whatever has happened behind the scenes, the attacks have continued, right up until today.

    THAT is what I'm reacting to in that matter - the net effect, not your efforts behind the scenes.

    Check back if you'd like, but I have never provoked Marty by deriding his opinions - he has done that to me. I have never responded to Marty's provocations, despite the fact that HE IS THE ONE ON STAFF, the one who should be held to a higher standard.

    All I want is the playing field to be what it always had been until recently: for Club to be for the discussion of ALL ideas, as long as the ideas are presented with substance.

    Right now, there is a dictatorship of thought being carried out by just a select few posters there, and it is being allowed to persist despite its being the opposite of what the forum is for.

    THAT's what I wanted to bring to light; it's what I've been saying all along, but I'm either ignored or beaten down by the few, without consequence.

    No thread-starter should have to be told that he shouldn't think as he does, nor that he shouldn't post what he does - especially when the poster puts as much thought and effort into what he says as I do, and as a lot of others do who are being censored right now.
     
  9. Celtkin

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    I am not angry. I am fed up with this childish display from both of you. How many times have I asked you and Marty to work out your differences? You say that is not your responsibility to make contact? Is that not what reasonable adults who have a difference of opinions do?

    We have left removed on staff just as we left you on staff after many complaints. It is my nature, and my weakness, to try to get people to see eye-to-eye first rather than tossing them out. Again, I know that this my weakness but I am this way because I truly believe that we are a family who, though we may not be always in agreement, we are one in the end.

    My goal for the entire site is that there be no censorship, with the exception of insults and, if you look back, I have not censored nor have I condoned the censorship of threads or replies. George and I are in agreement on this issue. In that regard, you are off the mark in your criticism of me.
     
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  10. azfinfanmang

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    Wow, what in the world have I missed.
    For what its worth, I have always had the ut-most respect for Nabo and still do, BUT I think removed does a very very bang-up job as Moderator- a job in which you are very rarely considered the good guy.
    Also, this probably should have been handled another way.
     
  11. NaboCane

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    With all due respect, Mal, you don't condone censorship but it has been happening; I've pointed it out and it has continued to happen, right up through today, when a thread was moved to the club lounge because it went outside of what someone thought should be discussed - not because of its inherent merit.

    Marty's personal problems are his own, and I really don't give a **** what they are; what I ask is that he not be permitted to single me out for some perceived slight on my part against him. No one is allowed to do that to anyone else here, yet Marty repeatedly shows up wherever I post and makes derisive and insulting comments. He goes out of his way to do so.

    The fact that he harbors this grudge from a position of authority is what I have a problem with.
     
  12. like2god

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    To make it clear, I was the one who moved the thread from Club because it strayed from what Club is supposed to be about. If we allowed someone who was interested in signing up for a Club membership to read that thread prior to joining, they would wonder where the thoughtful discussion and insight (that we talk about so often) went. Not a Club thread IMO and I moved it where discussion could still take place. That isn't censorship.
     
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  13. Muck

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    Just coming back from vacation, but will look into this further and deal as necessary.

    As an owner of this site, you can call me out by name. Doesn't bother me.

    But very poor form to call out anyone else by name. Very poor. Don't care what the rational is. If you care about the site as much as you say you do, you know better.

    Closing the lid on this can of worms.
     
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