This call defines us

What exactly is the least bit ridiculous about the call?

I think it should've been a run...but Daboll has done more with Henne than Henning ever did Already. Like what I saw from Daboll offense, EXCEPT in the run game. Terrible, but the O-Line looked bad.

ummm maybe it's because a fade is one of the lowest percentage plays in football and they threw it to Hartline of all people....it's not like Marshall isn't 6'4 much more talented

This actually is a good point. It's what "wide open" offenses do in those situations.

"Phinatic425 wrote:

ummm maybe it's because a fade is one of the lowest percentage plays in football and they threw it to Hartline of all people....it's not like Marshall isn't 6'4 much more talented

Thanks for answering for me. I can't believe the question was asked.

I wasn't a fan of the call at first either. Not to Hartline anyways. Daboll didn't even give us a chance to succeed in that position IMO. Id have rather seen a run by LJ or something. a TE pass, anything but that on 4th down. If it was 3rd... ok, sure, maybe.

So, now the 4th & goal pass was too aggressive? That's what spread it out offenses do.

I would have liked to have seen a run there, a QB sneak really. But, are personnel is set up for this type of offense. The Eagles struggle in that situation. The Colts struggled with it for years. Hell, even the Patriots struggle with it, although we didn't get to see it much.

We left points out there certainly. However, does anyone else feel like our offense may be able to win a track meet once in a while now?

I don't see the defense playing this poorly all year long. I was very pleased with the offense and Chad Henne.

I like Daboll's offense. Huge improvement over last year. That was a shady call tho.

What did you want them to do? Run against Haynesworth and Wilfork? Good luck with that.

btw, i hated the call too.

"rdhstlr23 wrote:

So, now the 4th & goal pass was too aggressive? That's what spread it out offenses do.

I would have liked to have seen a run there, a QB sneak really. But, are personnel is set up for this type of offense. The Eagles struggle in that situation. The Colts struggled with it for years. Hell, even the Patriots struggle with it, although we didn't get to see it much.

We left points out there certainly. However, does anyone else feel like our offense may be able to win a track meet once in a while now?

I don't see the defense playing this poorly all year long. I was very pleased with the offense and Chad Henne.

It's low percentage, even to Marshall, but Hartline? Like someone said, 3rd down maybe. 4th down at a key point in the game after having several minutes to come up with something. Horrible.

"gilv13 wrote:

What did you want them to do? Run against Haynesworth and Wilfork? Good luck with that.

btw, i hated the call too.

Like Gruden said, Bush airborn.

That call didn't lose the game. Brady killed us with the no huddle...

It was a brain fart in an otherwise well called offensive game. Let's cut him some slack, it was no Ricky Williams half back pass. I've seen one game and I can say without a doubt:

Dabol > Henning

I think it's okay to complain about one or two playcalls here or there, but to use them as an indictment of our new offensive coordinator seems a little short-sighted, especially since Chad Henne played his most complete game as a quarterback since, well, ever.

Terrible call IMO.

But Daboll called a great game otherwise. This was Game 1 following a lockout-marred offseason. Imagine when they get comfy and more experienced.

Looking forward to what I hope is years of this offense.

It was a bad call, IMHO. But, it was the only call Daboll made that I seriously questioned. Last season, there were about 6-8 of those a game.

That was a huge play, which if successful would've put us only a td behind. 1 play later Welker goes 99 yds. and the games over.
Unbelievable call from the 1/2 yard line. Way too close to run a fade especially to a short receiver. Larry johnson is sitting on the bench why not give it to him.
And the lack of understanding between Henne and Marshall near the goal line is inexcusable. Surely they've practiced passes from inside the 5 hundreds of times.

Bess was open on the in route, but i have nothing bad about to say about our offense other than the OL.

"Buckeyetroop wrote:

It's low percentage, even to Marshall, but Hartline? Like someone said, 3rd down maybe. 4th down at a key point in the game after having several minutes to come up with something. Horrible.

Key phrase....

A QB sneak would have been a better call than that, even with the way our Oline played.

Marshall wouldn't have gotten the 1-1 coverage out there though. The better pass would have been to the inside shoulder and the front pylon after the defender turned his back. I agree the fade was a terrible call. Actually the correct play would have been Polite up the middle for the TD. What a terrible decision.

He called a good game, but that was brutal. At least throw it to Marshall. But really you don't make that call anyway. It's the worst ball that Henne throws. Run a cross, an out, a quick slant, go under center and run play action, really just about anything other than a fade to Hartline.

But overall, you can't say that much about Daboll. We had nearly 500 yards of offense and that's the best Henne has looked in his entire career.

I agree that Daboll seemed to call a very good game, but it's hard to excuse that call at a key point in the game.

"Fin-Omenal wrote:

Bess was open on the in route, but i have nothing bad about to say about our offense other than the OL.

No he wasn't. If Henne throws to Bess, the safety jumps it for 6 the other way. I thought he was open too, but the replay shows a safety, crashing down.

The call itself was stupid. I thought they should have had Henne sneak it in. They weren't accounting for Henne's feet at all, and while not the most swift scrambler, he was effective. A quick count QB sneak is what I would have done. Oh well.

The Patriots were just...better. I hate to say it, but its the truth. The good news is that Henne kicked ass against a pretty formidable opponent. If we can get out of the first part of our season okay, and he continues to play like that, we will be fine.