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This is a nice top 10 for Ryan..PFF changing the game for you stat monkeys.

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by djphinfan, Aug 16, 2015.

  1. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    https://www.profootballfocus.com/about/how-we-grade/

    the execution of your responsibility regardless of the outcome..as it should be..these are the most accurate stats your gonna find..its how I watch film, I don't care about the outcome of the play, just position specific responsibilities..good news for our qb...really good news that he made the biggest play of the game the other nite backed up deep in his own territory, saw a lane, juked a couple a defenders and made the first down..everything else was easy after that.
     
  2. Unlucky 13

    Unlucky 13 Team Rosen Club Member

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    Is that list for the 2014 season?
     
  3. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    its their current list..Luck not being on it is weird, not sure they understand very big plays relative to their numbers.
     
  4. 77FinFan

    77FinFan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    "Analysts" is being generous, but I'll take it.
     
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  5. PhinFan1968

    PhinFan1968 To 2020, and BEYOND! Club Member

    I'm not seeing that list at that link. Do you have a direct link to it Deej?

    Edit: NM...found it...it's on the main PRO page, pull-down on the right. Interesting they have Suh as #10 for Interior Defenders.
     
  6. Unlucky 13

    Unlucky 13 Team Rosen Club Member

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    Yeah, Luck not being there is certainly odd, though he's turned the ball over quite a bit, and his completion percentage is lower. Perhaps he's had more plays that could have gone bad but didn't also, that aren't reflected in the regular stats? I don't trust PFF as an absolute truth, but its generally a good read.
     
  7. PhinFan1968

    PhinFan1968 To 2020, and BEYOND! Club Member

    Well, FWIW, I think his basement this year is #8...possibly top 5. He has the tools...its just a matter of comfort/confidence.
     
  8. unluckyluciano

    unluckyluciano For My Hero JetsSuck

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    "stat monkeys" also known as people who you know, like science and math.
     
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  9. Unlucky 13

    Unlucky 13 Team Rosen Club Member

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    I don't know science and math, but I do often like stats :lol:
     
  10. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    not sure whats out there that would be considered better analysts than people who watch each player every play in every game and grade each play taking into account context to the highest degree..surely you don't think so called analysts nate burleson, willie G, and the plethora of other meatheads that don't watch near as much film as these nerds are better.
     
  11. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    cool
     
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  12. DolphinGreg

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    Well...it's nice to see a Dolphin QB ranked in the top-10, but my first reaction to any sort of list like that is, I don't really care if a guy executes what he's being asked to do.

    I care about whether or not a guy can execute the particular things that seem to be required to win--particularly on the game's bigger stages.

    That's a similar question but at the same time, it's entirely different.

    Chad Pennington is a great example of a guy who probably did what he was asked to do, but still couldn't make a dent in the Play-offs against the league's better defenses.

    I'm not saying Tannehill can't win championships or anything nearly that bold. I'm just pointing out that "doing your job" is sometimes still clearly not sufficient if the job you're being asked to do is in and of itself not all that great.
     
  13. resnor

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    If he's executing what he's asked to do, then he's executing the gameplan, which is designed to win games. So, he's doing his part to win. This is showing that he's one the 10 best at doing his part to win...which petty much goes along with what many of us have been saying. A couple plays, by people other than Tannehill, whether offense or defense, and the Fins were in they playoffs. and it's a completely different perspective on Tannehill, even though he wouldn't have done anything different.
     
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  14. Stringer Bell

    Stringer Bell Post Hard, Post Often Club Member

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    This forum is full of people that fit that criteria.

    Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G920A using Tapatalk
     
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  15. Unlucky 13

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    The difference is that Pennington, while very smart and hard working, was also very physically limited. He simply was never on par physically with the better QBs of the league, and no matter how much he studied or how well he managed the situation, there was only so much he could do. Tannehill is on another plane above Chad in his natural abiliities, and if he can harness what he seems to have within him, can be elite, IMO.
     
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  16. unluckyluciano

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    apparently not.
     
  17. 77FinFan

    77FinFan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I'm sure I've read that basically anyone can sign up to do this. Not sure what if any qualifications there are, but I seemed to remember a pulse and willingness to get paid.
     
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  18. jdang307

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    Lol, the math involved in sports stats is like, Pre-K math.

    Threw a pass.

    +1.

    Threw another pass.

    +1.

    2.
     
  19. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    this doesn't change a thing. its not tannehill can play at the same level and all is good....he seems to be improving even more so lets find out how far that takes us, qb's need to make plays that decide the games.usually those play come when under pressure like he did against the bears.
     
  20. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    i agree, those people know how I feel about them as well..im strictly talking a public stat service, imo there is nothing better than what pff provides for this new age football stat land.
     
  21. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    have no idea what your talking about Luck..stat monkeys are people who love stats..not sure what point your trying to make.
     
  22. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    I think Luck is a really good quarterback and going to be a great one.

    I do think he has the benefit of playing in an extremely terrible division.
     
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  23. Piston Honda

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    PFF is great if you take it for what it is, individual's opinions. Unidentified individuals.
     
  24. rafael

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    That's been my experience. I only met one person who worked there. The guy didn't like or understand football. When he started he couldn't have told you the difference between a 4-3 and a 3-4. I wouldn't put any stock in his opinion of whether a player did or didn't do his job on a play. In theory, I agree with the concept of watching every play and grading a player on whether he did his job rather than on the outcome of the play, but in reality a stat service like PFF is just guessing and some of their people are really poor guessers. IMO they're valuable for things like snap counts, but I put very little stock in their conclusions and opinions.
     
  25. resnor

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    It's all well and good to expect a QB to make plays when it counts. Here's an example, from when Miami played the Panthers...Tannehill escaped the pocket with like what, 10 seconds left in the game, rolled out avoiding the rush, and threw a bomb at Wallace. A great play by Tannehill, by anyone's measure. Wallace had the ball fall harmlessly through his fingers. So, when you say Tannehill needs to make plays, I agree...however, it takes two players to complete the play. There are plenty of examples of Tannehill making great plays, and being let down by his teammates. This, of course, does not mean that there aren't plays out there that Tannehill hasn't made. There are. It's a pretty simplistic view to look at a game, and say that the QB didn't make enough plays.
     
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  26. Fineas

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    I don't think that's really true or fair re: Pennington. He was 2-4 in the playoffs and all of his losses really came against better teams. His teams were generally wildcard teams that simply lost on the road to simply better teams. The "exception" was 2008 where the game was here and the teams had the same 11-5 regular season record. That was just a bad game by Pennington, with 4 INTs, which really reflected a reversion to the mean after his almost turnover free regular season. The Ravens did have a very good defense and it is very, very hard to overcome those turnovers, especially when some get returned for TDs.

    But Pennington also beat some better teams. In 2002, his 9-7 Jets beat the 10-6 Colts 41-0. In 2004, his 10-6 Jets beat the 12-4 Chargers on the road. They then took the 15-1 Steelers to OT on the road before losing by a FG.

    Pennington's teams didn't advance further in the playoffs because they generally encountered better teams, usually on the road, not because of anything Pennington did or didn't do or any specific limitations in his game.

    A QB's job is to complete passes, avoid turnovers, make first downs and get the ball in the endzone. If he does those things well, his team will generally win and advance.
     
  27. Clark Kent

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    I'm surprised Andrew Luck isn't on the list too. Not because I think he's definitively deserving, but because everyone seems to want him to be the successor of Brady/Manning. He's the chosen golden boy of this era, deserved or not.

    edit:

    As for PFF and Tannehill... PFF got into a controversy last year after ranking Tannehill in the top 5 early on in 2014, despite the fact that his numbers didn't look like top 5 material. In fact, he was one of the lower rated QB's in the NFL by general statistical standards. PFF defended their grading of Tannehill by demonstrating ways in which Tannehill was making good decisions that didn't show up on the stat sheet. Namely, the receivers failing to execute their end of pass play transactions. It was around that time PFF started losing some of their credibility around here. While I don't think PFF is gospel, their grading and evaluation is pretty good overall. Their top 10 QB list is pretty accurate IMO.
     
  28. Clark Kent

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    It's hard to say... I agree he's never had great offenses. And his intelligence allowed him to make the most out of what he had. Having said that, Pennington's arm wasn't strong enough to attack the entire field. That became an even bigger issue after injuring his rotator cuff, which never healed properly, further limiting his arm. And that did make his offenses more one dimensional, thus easier for defenses to scheme against. Both argument hold true to a degree, IMO.
     
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  29. Fineas

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    Personally, I don't believe that is true. He made the throws, he just had to release it sooner and put more arc on it to get it there. But he understood he needed to do that and did it well. Same thing with Peyton Manning these last few years.
     

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