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This Team is Chronically Sick - Don't expect winning until we're cured.

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Galant, Oct 3, 2021.

  1. plc001

    plc001 Well-Known Member

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    Maybe we are sucking for.... wait... whose the next great QB entering the draft this year? Wasnt he suspected of retiring a couple of weeks ago. He's playing like his mind is made up, but needs the paychecks.
     
  2. hitman8

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    If Grier had paid attention to Howard's medicals and injury history, he should have known it was only a matter of time before his knee problems caught up with him. X has undergone numerous knee scopes and meniscus issues, he is known for chronically bad knees, and those things don't get better with time. That's why his play has fallen off a cliff. We should have traded him when he was at his peak, it's all downhill from here.
     
  3. hitman8

    hitman8 Well-Known Member

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    If he retires it will be because of his knee problems. His play has diminished because of physical problems, not mental problems.
     
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  4. mlb1399

    mlb1399 Well-Known Member

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    Bad news, this draft is QB weak and no matter how bad we suck, it doesn’t help our draft pick.
     
  5. Fishhead

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    Maybe it’s his knees, or maybe he got his contract and finds it harder to care. Don’t know him well enough to say, but one thing is for sure, he is not playing up to that contract.
     
  6. Sceeto

    Sceeto Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, probably true. Considering his play last year, it is really falling off a cliff big time.
     
  7. Fireland

    Fireland Active Member

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    Its not like trading their good players for picks has worked
     
  8. hitman8

    hitman8 Well-Known Member

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    That's a good point. I was thinking in the hypothetical case that we didn't have a GM who sucks at drafting.
     
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  9. pumpdogs

    pumpdogs Well-Known Member

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    Yea but Tannehill will never be good enough to win a superbowl unless the team he is on has a early 2000 Ravens or Bucs defence.
    With all the rule changes I don't think we will ever see defences like that again.
    But then again somehow Nick Foles won one so never say never.
     
  10. KeyFin

    KeyFin Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I disagree- Eli Manning has a couple of rings and several other 'good but not great' QB's have followed in his footsteps in recent years. I know Brady and NE sort of warps that narrative because they were so dominant for so long, but I think any of the top-10 have a shot in any given year with solid defensive and special teams play.

    The other unique thing about the Titans is Henry- you always have to account for him and that keeps defenses honest. It really is the perfect offense for Tannehill to excel in.

    I mean, just look at the early dominant team this season- Chargers, Ravens, Bills, Cowboys, Cardinals, Packers, and Bucs. I'd say three or four of those have elite QB's (Tampa, GB, Arizona, Buffalo)...but there's a few with just above average QB's too.
     
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  11. pumpdogs

    pumpdogs Well-Known Member

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    Have to disagree with you my friend.Dak,Herbert,jackson are pretty close to elite and all better than tannehill.
     
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  12. Galant

    Galant Love - Unity - Sacrifice - Eternity Staff Member Club Member

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    "...but if this works it will be incredible."

    Chris Grier's motto.

    You're getting rid of veterans to play new guys, that's a lot of leadership lost.
    "Yeah...but if this works it will be incredible."

    You're trading for an often injured WR, he's fast but he's had problems.
    "Yeah...but if this works it will be incredible."

    You're picking a young pass catching TE but there are decent OL available.
    "Yeah...but if this works it will be incredible."

    Etc...
     
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  13. mlb1399

    mlb1399 Well-Known Member

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    It’s hard to tell if this team has quit on Flores if Grier is just this bad at building a roster.
     
  14. Fireland

    Fireland Active Member

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    Weekly reminder

    Clean house and then sell the team
     
  15. Rick 1966

    Rick 1966 Professional Hipshooter

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    This team is garbage. Three years of "rebuilding." Yeah, they tore down a 3/2 suburban cookie-cutter home and put up a double-wide in tornado alley.
     
  16. Galant

    Galant Love - Unity - Sacrifice - Eternity Staff Member Club Member

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    The main problem of this team isn't talent, is management. Make it your mantra.
    The coaching is bad. However, there's a problem also affecting the coaching - the management.

    That might stop with Grier but it's likely, maybe even mostly, Ross too.

    Until this team is managed well it will not succeed.

    Book it.
     
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  17. Galant

    Galant Love - Unity - Sacrifice - Eternity Staff Member Club Member

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    I've said it before and I'll say it again. This team has a management/leadership issue.

    Different problems different weeks.

    It's not the roster. It's the franchise leadership.
     
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  18. MikeHoncho

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    This is my thinking as well.
     
  19. djphinfan

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    Tua is done here, everything else cannot be in sync, it’s over, either Watson and Flores get another opp or the whole thing gets rebuilt
     
  20. MikeHoncho

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    We wouldn’t know if we did have one. Very difficult to evaluate progress or even develop for that matter when the organization can’t even provide an offensive line or even a coordinator.
     
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  21. Fireland

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    I don't really know what option they will have if they don't get Watson. Unless they unload their trade assets to trade in a bad QB draft they would have to stick with Tua.
     
  22. mlb1399

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    I don’t necessarily think Tua is the answer long term but I think he’s played well enough to give him another chance for another year and a half. The bigger issue on this team is blocking, pressuring the QB and our running game.

    They completely botched the handling of Fitz/Tua last year and it sounds like that caused some issues in the chemistry of the locker room. Now what happens when the guy you draft #5 is playing some of his best football and still young, then you yank the chain?
     
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  23. Galant

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    It's not the QB. It's not any one player or position. It's the management and leadership of this team.
    The most important moves this team will make next will be the coaching and management moves. Maybe, just maybe, with really good coordinators brought in, and if Grier (or whomever) learns that veterans are important, this team could be different. I would like to see Grier move on, at least, and possibly some new position coaches. The problem is that means Grier and Flores will be associated again with cutting bait on coordinators and coaches. That, on top of whatever issues people already see in Miami, may mean that Flores and Grier both have to go and a new GM and HC and coordinators can be brought in. Until things on that level are sorted, nothing else will matter. At all.

    We should almost forget the draft sections and draft podcasts and draft analysis and have a coaching and management section. That's not realistic of course, but in terms of significance, especially to Miami right now, it's utterly essential.
     
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  24. OwesOwn614

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    I cosign every single word of this post. Sorry for the horribly apt cliche, but this fish is rotten from the head down. Losing what will be a top-5 pick in the draft was the nail in Grier's coffin and Flo's arrogance toward personnel management bit him in his *ss. The good news: The personnel on the roster is still better than 70% of the league, so a competent coach can fix our problems almost right away. Also, the abundance of cap space (along with the roster) is going to lure a top flight GM to Miami. So I actually expect we'll get the best coach and GM candidate on the market due to what looks to be low-hanging fruit. Ross should be blowing up Kansas City's phone right now to let them know that Eric Bienemy won't be back next season. Heck, I'd even try to lure Ryan Day.

    BTW: When I saw this, I immediately went into "Thank God NCAA basketball is starting this week" mode:
     
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  25. The_Dark_Knight

    The_Dark_Knight Defender of the Truth

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    Tannehill is more than good enough to win a Super Bowl. His trade to Tennessee should have been a HUGE eye opener if how bad of a TEAM we are.
     
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  26. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    TBH I think this is on Jesse Davis. All the linemen went left, and he went right.
     
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  27. pumpdogs

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    Lets see how good he is now without Henry.
     
  28. MikeHoncho

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    Captain Jesse Davis getting Tua killed… I for one am shocked.
     
  29. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    It almost seems like it is on purpose at this point
     
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  30. Galant

    Galant Love - Unity - Sacrifice - Eternity Staff Member Club Member

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    All the headlines and talk now asking how the Dolphins will fix their roster now that Watson isn't incoming... I feel like I'm a member of a different species or in another dimension. Who are these blind or mindless creatures?

    You can hate Tua and still see the clear reality that this team needs more than a QB change.

    What's wrong with people?

    Mindless, mindless talk all the time....

    Urgh.
     
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