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This was a bad win for the Dolphins...

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Dorfdad, Dec 16, 2007.

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  1. Dorfdad

    Dorfdad Well-Known Member

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    Congrats to the Team you deserve a few more ins this year, but I can not help but think this was a bad win.

    Here is why. I honestly think Cam will now be back next year, I think he will also resign Cleo Lemon, and more than likely name him the starter going into next year..

    Cleo Lemon is not a franchise QB, Beck may no be as well but were not going to find out this year.. After that TD Cam can not remove Cleo from the starter role this year.

    We will not draft a QB this year, and we will win about 6 Games next year with Cleo than decide we need to let Beck or another QB ease into the games for the -09 season.

    Congrats Im glad we won one, but im disappointed that Cleo was the man in there.
     
  2. Lungoystr

    Lungoystr New Member

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    Personally, I don't care it it what kind of win it was.......it was a win and that is all that the record will show tomorrow morning. Grats Phins! :up:
     
  3. byroan

    byroan Giggity Staff Member Administrator Luxury Box

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    There's no such thing as a bad win for the Dolphins.
     
  4. AggieFin21

    AggieFin21 New Member

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    I am completely anti-Cam, completely! I hope he isn't back next year either...

    But we needed this win. The players needed this win. The franchise needed this win.
     
  5. Dorfdad

    Dorfdad Well-Known Member

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    Your right its a win and Im happy about that, but does that erase the entire slate for Lemon or Cam? Does that erase the clock management issues the bone headed play calling? Sorry Im really mad that Im even upset about this win...

    I should be happy as a clam, but I feel it will leave a crack that Wayne will slide through and were about to make another mistake.
     
  6. Jsbaugh

    Jsbaugh New Member

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    Congrats to the Fins for a win.

    I think that Cleo will start against the Pats and Beck will start in the last game. Cleo had a nice second half in this game but looked bad in the first. Whats a shame is it took Cam 13 games to open the play book and the O line was finally blocking today.

    I dont think this wipes the slate clean for Cleo. Remember he has to play NE next week which is going to be ugly and will make everyone forget about the Baltimore game.
     
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  7. GridIronKing34

    GridIronKing34 Silently Judging You Club Member

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    THis was a good win for the Dolphins because:

    Now we won't be known as the only 0-16 team in NFL history and..

    Cameron will get at least one more year to continue his rebuilding processs.

    Good day IMO.
     
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  8. azstryker

    azstryker New Member

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    My thoughts exactly!
     
  9. Desides

    Desides Well-Known Member

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    Cameron was very likely coming back next year anyway. This is not a bad thing.

    Cleo had a good chance of coming back next year regardless due to his performances this and last year. Not too many teams are in the market for a backup QB who consistently underthrows his receivers and will make a bad decision at the worst possible time.

    Beck will almost certainly be the starter next year, not Cleo. I don't know why you think Cleo has secured a starting spot in 2009.

    And we weren't drafting a QB anyway. Mueller and Cameron believe Beck is the guy. They aren't going to take another QB.
     
  10. FanMarino

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    I know what u mean but just enjoy the win bro.
     
  11. Lungoystr

    Lungoystr New Member

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    No, it doesn't erase anything. Let's face it, whatever was/is going to happen to either of those two was/is going to happen anyway regardless of one win. Don't be upset, this is an extremely rare event for us Phins fans this season....enjoy it.....don't analyze it. :thumbup:
     
  12. Trackstar

    Trackstar Season Ticket Holder Luxury Box

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    No disrespect but I completely disagree. I still think we draft a QB, and many people will lose their jobs and starting roles. All this win does is keep us out of the record books and vindicate Cam as a coach.

    Cam is stockpiling picks for a reason, he's not happy with the personnel.
     
  13. VanDolPhan

    VanDolPhan Club member Club Member

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    No such thing as a bad win for an 0-13 team. NONE.
     
  14. Lungoystr

    Lungoystr New Member

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    I agree 100%. :yes:
     
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  15. Bonedoc7777

    Bonedoc7777 New Member

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    why is changing coaches and not giving Lemon an chance to compete a good thing, we have not had the same QB two years in a row for five years, look at garrad with jax, he got a chance and they are a good team, can we have patience for one time in our lives
     
  16. dolfaniss

    dolfaniss Junior Member

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    Some of you guys are nuts. 1 win is going to set the stage for every decision going forward. C'mon!!
     
  17. Lungoystr

    Lungoystr New Member

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    There are a few of us that have been asking the same thing for a while now.
     
  18. Larry Little

    Larry Little Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Bad Win? Are you out of your mind?!?!?

    ANY win at this point is a good one. Who gets fired, who got injured, who's selling or buying the team, how many draft picks are we gonna get for Jason Taylor... we can sweep all that crap under the rug today. We can finally enjoy a victory. Us Phin fans have had this victory coming. It's been the most difficult season I've ever had to endure as a Dolphin fan, so, personally, I'm going to enjoy it.

    Tomorrow, we can get back to hiring, firing and trades. Until then... PHINS WIN!! PHINS WIN!! PHINS WIN!! PHINS WIN!! PHINS WIN!! PHINS WIN!!
     
  19. Axafinfan

    Axafinfan New Member

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    Exactly, that's how I feel.

    Just enjoy the damn win!!!:thumbup::ffic::up:
     
  20. PhinsRock

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    Yeay and Amen!
     
  21. mannyjr23

    mannyjr23 New Member

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    WIN is a Win bro what kind of fan are you???
     
  22. Georgia Fin

    Georgia Fin Fin For Life

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    It's been sooo long, I've forgot what a Monday morning after a win feels like!!!:thumbup:
     
  23. FinaciousOne

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    After 6 games lost by 3 points, there is no such thing as a bad win.
     
  24. MelbournePhin

    MelbournePhin New Member

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    heck, give cleo ronnie, another solid o-lineman acquisition, improved ted ginn, lo booker and hagan and a real TE and lets see what happens.
     
  25. Colorado Dolfan

    Colorado Dolfan ...dirty drownin' man?

    Amen! :up:
     
  26. PhinFantic

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  27. TOMMYGUNS

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    WE ALL NEEDED THIS WIN TODAY!!

    If you dont feel at least a little good today, you are no fan.
     
  28. FINintheMOON

    FINintheMOON Moderator Luxury Box

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    The Chargers went 12-4 in 2003... The next year, the team went 4-12, with Drew Brees at the helm... and with a runningback named LT... They opened the QB position up in the pre-season in 2004 and Brees won the starting job... The Chargers went 14-2 that year with Brees almost securing MVP status...

    Too many people look at the current state... Not many EVER consider what the future may hold because they want to see what "YOU CAN DO FOR ME NOW"!!!

    We have to get beyond this!
     
  29. shaunm000

    shaunm000 Well-Known Member

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    Dude, you make logging onto finheaven suck. Will you ever be happy about anything? What a freaking buzzkill to come on here in hopes to celebrate and wind up listening to some Debbie downer!!!!! Leave it alone man, just enjoy the win. I sure as hell cant wait to finally be happy on a Monday heading into the office.
     
  30. Georgia Fin

    Georgia Fin Fin For Life

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    Your first win of the year can never be a bad win, ugly yes but bad no way in hell, not today, not tomorrow, not 10 years from now, a win is a win and let the cards fall where they may.
     
  31. TOMMYGUNS

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    This win is the sweetest since I can remember!!

    NO NEGATIVITY TODAY!!
     
  32. Dorfdad

    Dorfdad Well-Known Member

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    LOL man some of you are harsh, Your all right.. IM SORRY I AM HAPPY for the players. No one deserves that feeling (except the pats!)

    I did say Im happy for a win, For tonight and this week lets all bask in the glory of a win...

    Bettie is out..
     
  33. Deus ex dolphin

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    Look, this win is HUGE. Let us enjoy it. I'll even put a good spin on it for you. This means Cam gets 08, but if he tanks it again, then the Phins need a new coach for 09... Just when Cowher is ready to return to the NFL.

    Remember, he already told Atlanta he was taking 08 off.

    No way Lemon is the starter in 08 BTW. He is a #2 at best, but I wouldn't mind getting a project QB in the draft, and another #2 QB to take the job from Cleo.
     
  34. Hugo Guzman

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    This is a perfect example of what's wrong with the fan base.

    I'm not trying to make a personal attack, but man, how can you let your personal opinion/agenda relating to Cam Cameron, etc...get in the way of the joy you should be feeling right now?

    Did you ever stop to think for even one second, that you could be wrong about Cameron? That he could end up being a solid NFL coach? Did you ever stop to think that your assumptions could be false? That Lemon will not be the starter next year, that we will draft a qb, etc...?

    Man, I'm just blown away that fans could allow themselves to get this warped by their own opinions and perspectives.
     
  35. Frumundah Finnatic

    Frumundah Finnatic U Mad Miami?

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    Who cares what happens to Cameron now? Put that aside and enjoy the win.
     
  36. Machete

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    just logged in to say hooray for the win



    :ffic::ffic:
    The long suffering fans, we finally get to cheer
    Here's a toast and good riddance to this, our Darkest Year
    :ffic::ffic::ffic:
     
  37. alen1

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    no such thing as a bad win when you WERE 0-13
     
  38. padre31

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    Cleo Lemon gave Cam something he hasn't had all season, a QB who can make positive plays and didn't turn the ball over, Lemon was the first QB who got to utilize all of our weapons and not get killed in the process or force turnovers.

    This is our first 300 yd passing day in a win in how long?
     
  39. calfinfan

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    Any win is a good win. This team needed it. Now they can have more confidence going into NE. NE can lose the rest of the season and still hold home field advantage in the playoffs. Next week is a dangerous game for NE. They have to be careful not to look ahead.

    Cam should come back next year anyways. He deserves a chance to finish the rebuild him and Mueller started. A rebuild that was needed when we hired Saban.

    As far as Lemon, start him the rest of the year. Sign him to a 2-3 year contract and see what training camp brings. Let Beck take time to develop. We don't need to draft a QB high, just for 3rd string.
     
  40. Kdawg954

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    New England will NEVER overlook the Dolphins . . . regardless of the records.

    If Miami gets a similar pass rush on New England like they did today, they can make it interesting . . . and it wont be because of New England overlooking them because they wanna go undefeated.

    Also I agree w/ not getting a qb with a high first round pick . . . but if value is there, u may have to jump on it. For example if Colt Brennan has a first round grade, but can be had with a mid second round pick . . . u probably have to do that . . . talent at QB is never a bad thing for this team.

    I felt Daune should have stayed for comp, and I feel the same way about Cleo . . . face it, us keeping Cleo is possibly the reason why we wont go down in history as the worst team in NFL history . . . THANK GOD
     
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