Thoughts on Jimmy Johnson.....

"padre31 wrote:

Kirby wound up injuring his knee after a Sammie Smith style bout of fumblitis.

Of course he went to SF and was a great player for them..D:

JJ's prowess as Draft Master was not as solid as I used to think, for the Taylor's and Madison's there was a John Avery and Cecil Collins as well.

Didn't mind Pritchett or McPhail either, thought losing Webb and Sims was kinda dumb but JJ had put the Dallas Oline together with UDFa's, Vets, and mid round picks and he tried the same thing in Miami and it didn't work.

Used to love the speed on Defense though, man those guys could fly to the football.

Webb was the LT through the 2000 season, which means all the JJ years plus one under Wrongstedt.
Sims was signed to a contract extension the first off season that JJ was in control. He lasted a season and a half, so IMO JJ made a foolish decision to extend him in a year the cap was tight for us, since he didn't come close to playing out that contract. That money could have went toward resigning Fryar who wanted to stay in Miami. Instead, JJ chose to sign Fred Barnett who was damaged goods, for the same kind of money Fryar could have been resigned for.

The words I would use to describe Jimmy Johnson are not fit for women and children to read or hear!

JJ killed Dan's ability to win by dummying down the offense and taking away his ability to audible.

I too saw the show, to think this is the guy that Dan had to beg to keep from quiting, JJ is lower than dog poop imvho.

"padre31 wrote:

JT and Zach Thomas and Daryl Gardner and Madison and Surtain were the foundation of the defense for what..7 yrs?

Thank you, amazing how selective somepeople's memories are

Jimmy Johnson should stick to advertising for Extenz and that's it.

He:
1. Destroyed Marino's career. Stopped him from audibling.
2. He forced the running game down the throats... "Run, Run, Run and Punt" with the likes of John Avery (of XFL fame), Kareem Abdul Jabbar, J.J. Johnson, Cecil "DA DIESEL" Collins (of jailbird fame). Before Ricky Williams, we had no concept of what a running back is.
3. He built an OVERRATED defense that had disappointed at the end every single season.
4. 62-7 That number will never be forgotten.
5. Started the whole downfall that began with Wanny.

"Ohio Fanatic wrote:

Thank you, amazing how selective somepeople's memories are

How is this for a selective memory. JJ sat on national TV and bashed Shula to the point that all of Miami boo'ed Don Shula in his last appearance at Joe Robbie Stadium. JJ's famous words were "With that quarterback and the money they have spent in free agency, there is no way that they should not be in the Superbowl."

JJ road in on the white horse and did absolutley nothing in terms of the postseason. It's one thing to just take a job when it became available. JJ made certain it was available when he sat in front of a camera and bashed Don Shula. JJ knew his status in that city. He knew it was his job for the taking when Shula was gone. Phin fans were just suckers enough to take the bait.

Hindsight being 20/20 the only place the Dolphins were going was as far as Marino's arm was going to take them. And THAT speaks for Johnson's and Shula's final years in coaching.

JJ was a tremendous football coach.

"padre31 wrote:

JT and Zach Thomas and Daryl Gardner and Madison and Surtain were the foundation of the defense for what..7 yrs?

He gave us a very good Defense, but their best years were wasted because he never got good WRs except for OJ.

And yes Marino was a shell of his former self at this point.

"TheMageGandalf wrote:

. Y. Green and his blown out knees...?

Yatil Green and his blown out legs.:lol:

I heard his comments and from a head coaches point of view I can see where he "thought" he was making the right choice by cutting Dan. Dan and Brett are completely different examples though. The Vikings owe Brett no amount of loyalty the way the Dolphins did Dan. We were NOT a superbowl team when JJ took over and Dan deserved to go out when he said it was time. The organization owed him atleast that.

"Big E wrote:

I heard his comments and from a head coaches point of view I can see where he "thought" he was making the right choice by cutting Dan. Dan and Brett are completely different examples though. The Vikings owe Brett no amount of loyalty the way the Dolphins did Dan. We were NOT a superbowl team when JJ took over and Dan deserved to go out when he said it was time. The organization owed him atleast that.

Actually, if you look at it, Jimmie Johnson pushed out the two Dolphins modern Icons, Don Shula and Dan Marino, then under delivered for 4 seasons, with season #3 including wishy washy "unretirement".

JJ was imho the greatest College to NFL head coach of the modern era, his Titles with the Hurricanes and Cowboys will be tough to duplicate.

For the Dolphins though, he was just the Franchises third best coach after Shula and Wanny, his 36 wins to 28 losses mark was hardly insipiring, and he produced two of the worst playoff defeats in Dolphins history.

Wanny went 42-31 in miami, I really hope Sparano is around long enough to put both of these Characters time in Miami to bed as a mediocre time in Dolphins Football history.

"TheMageGandalf wrote:

I remember him saying that referring to his mobility and how after games he would feel it but nothing about his legs being so worn out that it was affecting his throws.

Why do you think he even went to Minnesota and Pittsburgh to have talks?

He would've played another year or two here.

The man threw for 3497 yards in 1998 being handicapped with crap at WR.

Was doing OK in 1999 before the injury. He was fine.

Why do you think he did not end up signing with those teams and what happened in 1999? Players can be ok one season and totally done the next..

He was done, and admits it when asked. I've herd him say it on the radio more than a few times. He felt he could play but in the end he knew his legs were not the same.

There was never anything mobile about Marino. His legs were tired and it had a huge effect on his quick release, which was why Marino was so good for so long. That's why we saw more and more Int's from him. I'm talking about the throws where he would dare a Db to try and pick it off.

Why are you guys losing sleep over something that cannot and will never be proven? No one knows what went on behind closed doors. Stop speculating just to speculate. I've met Marino numerous times at Cleveland Clinic and let me tell you something, no matter how "great" he was on the field, seeing his true personality has made me not even acknowledge him when talking about the all-time greats.

The biggest problem with JJ as a coach is his inability to adjust his scheme to the talent on offense. JJ tried to implement the style that was successful in Dallas. Unfortunately, Miami didn't have a RB the equivalent of Emmit Smith or a WR with the talent of Michael Irvin. Marino was every bit as good as Troy Aikman.

I think Shula said it best in an interview when he said something to the effect of...when Miami had Griese, Csonka and company they had a style, grind it out. But when he saw the talent he had in Marino he knew he had to adjust to a different style which was ATTACK!

Shula got that as a coach it was imperative to adjust his style to get the most out of the talent he had. Whereas, JJ tried to get players to fit his style...hence, not taking advantage of players strengths or players trying to do more than their talent allows.

Johnson.........the ego that wasted a decade of professional football in Miami. Jimmy should come out and talk about his ****ty moves like who needs Irving Fryar or letting Byars go.

"PhinGeneral wrote:

Look, I watched Marino since his rookie days and he'll always be one of my favorite Dolphins, but people need to come to terms with the fact that the Marino of the last couple of years of JJ's tenure was not the same QB.

Like Favre and other QB's who were "gunslingers", when you start to lose a few miles an hour off the old fastball then those passes you zipped through tight coverages a decade earlier suddenly wind up incomplete or intercepted. Unfortunately, gunslingers rarely lose the mentality though, and the costly mistakes start to pile up, magnified by the fact that they can't quite overcome them with brilliance the way they used to.

JJ may have been a bit heavy-handed, but the intention was right. The problem was he couldn't find a RB to compliment Marino the same way the Broncos were able to with Terrell Davis. That was a much more critical error than the way he used Dan.

Two things...I agree that Dan certainly looked like he'd spent 17 yrs in the league during that last year. However, don't let the Jax fiasco define even Marino's last season....Secondly, JJ did not, in any way or fashion, give Marino anything in the form of receivers or any kind of run game, particularly that last year. Bottom line, Marino still carried the Fins that last season as he did most of his career, along with a developing D to any success we may have had....

Then JJ quit on us as well....

Two things you keep your liver spotted hands off my mother she's a saint! Then you sit down and write me and dale a $10,000 check!

i wanted to see Dan win a SB, but like some others - i will honestly admit that he was not an elite QB when JJ 'forced' him out.

i am always amused when folks talk about a running game and Dan ... the guy had a golden arm, but handing the ball off was both a chore and an abvious telegraph to the defense. You couldn't build a great running game during his reign - pure and simple, because Shula built an OL with an absolute focus on pass protection.

JJs drafts bring out the downside of drafting for need .... most would admit that Collins, Green and several others were drafted on need at WR and RB ... don't get me wrong, this regime will draft for need - but does it in a much smarter way (less White, Turner, of course) ....

I did not dread the JJ years ... but the Wanny years wanned pretty quickly .... Saban was a blip of hope .... and Cam is just best forgotten. My biggest beef with JJ and Wanny was that we had a soft defense, and its taken all the way to this regime to try an change that under a Wolf / Parcell philosophy.

"krypto wrote:

Why are you guys losing sleep over something that cannot and will never be proven? No one knows what went on behind closed doors. Stop speculating just to speculate. I've met Marino numerous times at Cleveland Clinic and let me tell you something, no matter how "great" he was on the field, seeing his true personality has made me not even acknowledge him when talking about the all-time greats.

There is no speculating on my part. I said I herd it from his own mouth so Shhhh

If Marino was washed up, JJ should have cut him, period. But no, he didn't have the balls to do it then and is such a slimeball that he now uses Dan as the scapegoat for why he failed.

JJ did nothing to improve the offense (literally nothing, it was no better at the end of his tenure than it was at the beginning of it; in fact it was worse), just one questionable personnel move after another. And his much vaunted defense never played in a big game which they weren't capable of giving away. So if JJ wants to slam Marino for being washed up, he should also look in the mirror and realize that his coaching job in Miami was nothing to brag about.

"Frumundah Finnatic wrote:

JJ was a failure here pure and simple.



Without JJ here odds are we would have been better.

WoW, that statement had alot of thought behind it. Shula was a great coach but he SUCKED in the player personnel portion of this job (hint, draft picks and free agents). Jimmy Johnson at least gave us some decent players to build around even though he didn't stick around to finish the job. And by the way, Johnson didn't hire Wanny (that was Mr. Blockbuster) he just recommened him for the job.

"Killerphins wrote:

the John Avery pick tanked us bad at the time. 1st round pick never got his feet And JJ Johnson and Cecil sad.

I'm over Sammie Smith.... and Bobby Humphrey

Still think Aaron Craver was better than Irving Spikes

Dude, do you have a personal hate for Johnson? Because if you want to talk about failed draft picks, Shula has alot more.

"Frumundah Finnatic wrote:

JJ was a failure here pure and simple.

Without JJ here odds are we would have been better.

I actually agree. I think we would have gone in a totally different direction if JJ hadn't pushed Shula out the door. Shula however didn't understand the cap and that would have been his downfall anyways. But I still think craterface would have brought in someone that would have made us a winner and we would have never had Wannfail as our coach. We are still recovering from that, believe it or not. We should have some aged veterans on this team from the last two or three Wannfail teams still playing for us. But because of his incompetence, we don't have those guys.

"cowboy82nd wrote:

WoW, that statement had alot of thought behind it. Shula was a great coach but he SUCKED in the player personnel portion of this job (hint, draft picks and free agents). Jimmy Johnson at least gave us some decent players to build around even though he didn't stick around to finish the job. And by the way, Johnson didn't hire Wanny (that was Mr. Blockbuster) he just recommened him for the job.

Dude, Craterface adored JJ (and still does) and if JJ had told him to take his clothes off and do a kazatche in the middle of Federal Hwy, he would have done it. So his recommend of Wannfail was as good as gold in craterface's eyes.

All I know is that Jimmy Johnson's wishy washy tenure begat Wannstink, Satan and Camoron. That is all I need to know. Before Johnson perennial playoff team, after Johnson rarely a sniff and during Johnson playoff embarrasment.

Thank God I didn't see that 62-7 fiasco with the Jags.

If we traded Marino, Jimmy Johnson would have drafted failures in his place.

Not a JJ fan. He can go **** himself with his benching Dan Marino comments. I wish someone would have benched JJ.