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I know that people don't like to talk about this, partly because it's something which can't be measured by the stat monkeys. Call it what you will, but it's the single most important factor which separates the great ones from the rest and it's my biggest concern or question about Henne.....does he have "it" or not?
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The best thing about the "IT Factor" is that anyone can decide who has it and who doesnt, 100% subjective.
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Exactly, and this "oh can't dare do anything to shake his confidence in himself" stuff is a bunch of crap, Henne either seizes the job or he does not, he has what 27 starts? Time to stop treating him as if he were some 6th rd rookie out of a Div III school.Sceeto likes this.
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Nice way to marginalize those who disagree with you. Call them monkeys!
The "it factor" is garbage. Its a way for New Yorkers to support Mark Sanchez without having to use logic!!!!likes this. -
The "it factor" is far from garbage. Some QB`s have it, some don`t. The people who refuse to believe in it are probably those who are rooting for a player who simply does not possess "it". And ,as far as NY`ers and Sanchez are concerned, I,for one, would never label him as having "it". Jet fans who claim he`s "it" are delusional.Sceeto likes this. -
We can describe the "it" factor as completely subjective. The same thing can be said as who is "clutch". You can provide all the stats you'd like to disprove the theory, which is fine. But, as I've been saying, if the players believe their is relevance to it, and their perceptions and decisions are based off that subjective feeling, than that's what really matters.
You can tell Brandon Marshall all day long until he's blue in the face that this "it" idea is something conjured up by the media, same with "clutch". But, if the players believe it and it affects their perception of a player and his ability to help the team then that's what needs worry. Until Chad Henne starts winning games and leading the team to the postseason, he isn't going to dispel this theory among his teammates that he isn't the guy. Maybe Chad Pennington being around made it harder, maybe because he lead them to the greatest turn around in history it made him harder. But you know what, I didn't see this franchises' fan base giving Jay Fielder a crutch by saying, "well he is following Marino and he has to compare to that".
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No. With the IT factor anyone with eyeballs knows if it's there. Those who rape and murder statistics to twist the truth choose to ignore the IT factor.
Edit to add: I saw an "IT" factor with Henne in 2009. In 2010 it was gone. Let's hope he can find it again.Sceeto likes this. -
Really it doesn't matter if fans believe it or not. It doesn't matter if the media believes it or not. What matters is that the players, the teammates buy into it. And it absolutely affects their perception of the player. So, we can dispel the notion all we'd like, but you're not changing his teammates opinion on the terms "it" or "clutch". They're going to continue to conceptualize it and attach it to who they think deserves it.
I can say that IF (and I'm not a follower of the Jets so I can't use any articles on it) the Jets feel like Mark Sanchez is "clutch" or has "it", then it gives them a lot of confidence in the guy to get the job done. And whether or not we believe, and stats will agree with us, that he needs to play better, his teammates still feel like he is the guy to get the job done, because of that confidence in him--that "it" factor. -
Another Chad Henne argument fest.
Good God I've had "IT".GMJohnson, GARDENHEAD, Colorado Dolfan and 3 others like this. -
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I hope 'physically stronger' means he's working with his legs and his mobility and not just bench pressing a lot. I hope he's working on things like agility and flexibility as well. It's going to be key if he wants to become an above average QB one day.
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If you mean does he have "it" like the Montana's, Marino's, Elway's, Manning, Unitas, etc....no. That would have come thru by now. There is something special about guys like that and it showed in all of those guys any time they were on the field. Most of us can remember the first TC for Marino when he wasn't the starter, but there was little doubt in any of the staff, coaches, players or fans, that he was going to be the starter soon and that he was a special athlete.
If you mean does he have the "it" or what it takes to be a bona-fide starter in this league, the jury may still be out. The signs are that he's got what it takes. He has had spurts that indicated that. Whether he continues to develop that is anyone's guess. It appears that he is...but until we see it on the field...it's just potential...
Unfortunately for Henne, he certainly has not had the surrounding cast or coordinator for him to develop as fast as most of us want him to...He's not the next Marino but he may be a guy who can lead this team...GMJohnson likes this. -
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What about his boobs?
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Yep. It's all about Henne earning the respect and confidence of his teammates, everything else is immaterial IMO. I think Pennington being gone will help, but mostly its on Henne. He has to take ownership of the offense and become a leader. If not, we'll be drafting his replacement in April.rdhstlr23 likes this.Maybe not. How long did it take for Terry Bradshaw's "it" factor to show through? How about Steve Young? Troy Aikman? I'm sure there are some who would say oh they could just tell during Troy's first two seasons, while he stunk up the joint far more than Henne ever has, that he had that "it" factor. Since he turned out to be a HOF QB, those guys would say it wasn't 20/20 hindsight.
I agree totally with GMJ, it is one of the most subjective terms ever concocted to describe a QB. I hate it.The jury is still out on Henne, but there are a lot of players over the years that excelled simply because they worked harder than the next guy. Guy's without great talent or physical skills. Henne does have many of the physical tools although he does have deficiencies in certain areas. But if he outworks everyone else and puts forth a supreme effort, he, just like many others, can succeed as a result of this.
I agree that it's dumb, but it's the reality. Perception is reality here, just like any other profession. If his teammates lose belief in the guy because they don't think he has "it", then that's what matters. Whether it's a BS term or not, that perception is the reality.
Crazy thing is, I just had my DSM (District Sales Manager) come and speak to me about a few guys on my team not having "it". "It" is everywhere now.The "IT" factor or whatever term you wish to use, is THE most important thing for a QB to possess. All of the great ones do. Some don't agree because they don't want to and they’re getting defensive because they take it as a knock on Henne, which it’s not. It is a question or concern. They also just happen to be the ones whom are Henne’s most staunch supporters….shocking.
The physical talent at the NFL level is so close. Yeah, they all have their strengths and are better at certain aspects. Some are better at scrambling. Some are better in the pocket with their subtle feet movement. Some have stronger arms. Some have better touch, but the overall physical skill levels are not all that far apart. Anyone who has played football, at any level, knows that you have to be seriously good to even make it to the NFL. What separates players at that level is the "it" factor or whatever term you wish to use. In a quick summation, it's your personality, your mental make-up, your leadership abilities, your calmness of mind, your grace under pressure, etc, etc, etc. These are things that can't be measured and directly shown with stats. That's why some of people here don't like the term, but yet many sports people; coaches, scouts and former great players talk about "it" all the time. Just recently on NFLN, Kurt Warner(someone whom definitely has "it") was talking about this. I forget which player to whom he was referring whom lead to his point. I believe it was one of the good QBs. Warner termed the "it"; that "something special". (as I said, call it what you will). He also said it's something which can't be measured, but it's something all of the great ones possess. Maybe it’s just that he has no idea about football or what it takes to be a great player, right. O.k. In many facets of life, not just sports, it is very important and even there it’s what separates the great ones from the rest. That calm, cool, collected, etc, etc, etc, attitude is what allows the mind to function properly. Be it in sports, public speaking, leading a business team, performing on stage, combat, etc, etc, etc, etc. When you don’t have that state of mind, you get frazzled, your synapses get locked up and don’t flow correctly, etc, etc, etc. The game doesn't "slow down". The “it” or the “something special” or whatever term you want to use, is what gives one that state of mind to function properly. It’s not subjective at all. It’s clear to see and it’s absolutely essential. To show one of the most extreme and blatant examples in order to make it easy to see, just watch the Peyton Manning and Ryan Leaf interviews and clips leading up to their draft. Both had really good physical skills, but one appeared to be a goofy nutbag and one was just absolutely the embodiment of the “it” factor. There are many other less extreme examples, which I could go through, but that one should make it easier to understand. To fully and better explain this point, I could go for several pages, in more detail, but whatever…..enough for now. Takes too much time. …Peace homies!RGF likes this.Lighten up Francis.:wink2: It's far from being garbage. How did I marginalize those who disagree with me when it was the first post? No one had responded at that point and I don't care if people disagree with me, that why you have a discussion or debate. Believe me, I expected a lot of people around here to disagree with me on this particular subject. As for the "monkeys" comment, that's a term that's been used around here, so I thought it would be understood. Actually, I was going to use the term "stat geeks". Is that better for you? :lol: You’re from the Big Easy. So…… Ease up slice..Terry Bradshaw?? Seriously? That guy is the perfect example and just oozes with "it". Didn't you see Smokey and the Bandit or Hooper? :lol: Seriously, watch the guy on the field or on the sidelines and he, obviously, had it. The "it" or whatever term some want to use, doesn't necessarily mean it will make a team succeed, but it is what makes guys keep their head up and go on to have success down the road, just like it helped Drew Brees to persevere and keep his head up to go on and become a SuperBowl winning QB. Same with your other examples. I always saw it in Brees, even in his S.D. days.Guest
Lol exactly. Just because Davone Bess busts his butt, it doesn't mean he's better than Marshall.
Every QB from the '08 class has either broken out (Ryan, Flacco) or busted (Brohm, Booty, O'Connell), yet somehow, the jury is still out on Henne? Come on, it's time to put down the Kool Aid and win games.and yet Henne clearly doesn't belong in either camp just yet. He's not on the verge of being a stud like the former guys but he is capable of winning a football game unlike the latter.
I don't know how else you can say it, the jurys still out on Henne.Share This Page