Time to enjoy what's happening!

"danmarino wrote:

What? Again, I've never said their receivers are "never" open. I've clearly, and multiple times at that, said that ON AVERAGE they are no more open than most other receivers. I showed you the average separation for Miami's receivers and you refuse to believe it. And I've said that sometimes they are wide open, busted coverage, etc., but ON AVERAGE, they are no more open than most other receivers. Your claim that "someone" is always open is just flat out wrong. You can't use one play to claim what you are. The NGS stats are only looking at the times the balls were thrown to them. This means that when they catch/drop/or have a bad pass thrown their way they are what the stats say they are. Hill has an AVERAGE of 3.1 yards os separation when he's the target. I showed you a large list (and there are many others) that have a greater separation distance than Tyreek. Yet they aren't having nearly the same success as Tyreek. Why? Because Tyreek is good and Tua is good. It's not, as you're trying to claim, that Tyreek is great at getting separation and that makes it easier for Tua.

Not one play, but OK you win. The Dolphins receivers and play designs are average and 3 yards open is not really open.

Dan and 25 can we go back to the OP? Otherwise you two just get a room already.

"dolphin25 wrote:

Not one play, but OK you win. The Dolphins receivers and play designs are average and 3 yards open is not really open.

Ok, maybe we’re each speaking a different language and we don’t understand each other. Let me see if I can break this down.

I believe you’re saying that the Dolphin’s receivers are more open the majority of the time than the majority of receivers on the majority of the other NFL teams. Is that correct? This sounds, to me, like what you are saying.

What I’m saying is that this can’t be more wrong. I’m saying this because the average separation of all the Dolphin’s receivers is at, or below, what the average separation is for all other receivers. The Dolphin’s best receiver, Tyreek Hill, gets less separation than about 25-30 other receivers. The other Dolphin’s receivers get even less. In 2022, the average separation for an NFL receiver ( I got lazy and just looked at last years totals rather than doing the math through week 3 of this season) was, believe it or not, 3.1 yards. Which is exactly what Tyreek is getting this year. Again, 3.1 was AVERAGE and is what Tyreek is getting this year.

To reiterate, I’m not saying no Dolphin’s receiver is ever wide open, they are. What I am saying is that no Dolphin’s receiver is wide open more than average. And again, this is per target, so unless you believe that Tua is throwing to the more covered receiver on the overwhelming majority of his throws (which you yourself says isn’t true or how else would Tua be benefitting from these wide open receivers as you suggest) then we must conclude that Tua is not benefiting from a higher than average receiver separation.

This is a 27 minute video of a guy calling himself "QB School" analyzing Tua against Denver. My personal favorite comes around 12 minutes in. Tua lets fly well before Cracraft (crossing) turns his head; Cracraft finally turns his head and the ball would have hit him in the face if he hadn't gotten his hands up. Just amazing, and the QB school guy is giggling to himself as he shows the play. He's of course incredibly impressed by Tua. He notes that Tua's footwork and "base" sometimes seem less than ideal, but it doesn't seem to keep him from throwing lasers. Anyway, you can be sure that if Tua can make himself better by improving on his footwork, he'll do the work. Really hope he can stay healthy all year and put on more amazing shows for us.

Videos like this are above my pay grade, but I thought some of you might enjoy it. Apologies if this has already been posted.

Miami’s receivers are “always open” for 3 simple reasons.

1. McDaniel’s offense. With so much pre-snap motion, defenses are having to make adjustments on who is covering who, often to their demise.

2. Speed. There’s no doubt about it, we have the fastest receiver corps in the league. That speed, along with pre-snap motion allows at least 1 of those receivers to be a full speed when the ball is snapped, exploiting defensive backs.

3. Discipline. This offense has demonstrated a discipline to run each play as designed and let the play develop.

We’ve discussed until we’ve been blue in the face about this player and that player’s talents and skills sets, but the bottom line is this is the 3 reasons why Miami’s receivers are always open.

"cbrad wrote:

StaleTacos repeatedly said that after game 1, that he's not changing his original opinion until he has "large enough" sample size (i.e., another season), which history suggests is just another goalpost to be moved. Resnor also has been given a lot of opportunities to move away from that position and has never done so (after game 1).

btw.. the deafening silence you see from almost everyone who claimed Tua is average-ish and his great stats last year were primarily due to others is implicit evidence of this. Do you really think hitman8 has changed his mind for example? That guy is as consistent as they come in claiming Tua isn't elite because he doesn't have a strong arm and he's only succeeding because of open receivers etc.

You just can't help but keep my name in your mouth.

And you continue to misrepresent my position.

"resnor wrote:

You just can't help but keep my name in your mouth.

And you continue to misrepresent my position.

For those that are interested, my position is:

Miami has the Dolphins,
the greatest football team,
they take the ball from goal to goal,
like no one's ever seen.
They're in the air,
they're on the ground,
they're always in control,
and when you say Miami,
you're talking super bowl!

Cause we're the Miami Dolphins, Miami Dolphins, Miami Dolphins #1....

"The_Dark_Knight wrote:

Miami’s receivers are “always open” for 3 simple reasons.

1. McDaniel’s offense. With so much pre-snap motion, defenses are having to make adjustments on who is covering who, often to their demise.

2. Speed. There’s no doubt about it, we have the fastest receiver corps in the league. That speed, along with pre-snap motion allows at least 1 of those receivers to be a full speed when the ball is snapped, exploiting defensive backs.

3. Discipline. This offense has demonstrated a discipline to run each play as designed and let the play develop.

We’ve discussed until we’ve been blue in the face about this player and that player’s talents and skills sets, but the bottom line is this is the 3 reasons why Miami’s receivers are always open.

Talking of discipline, it’s so refreshing to see a Dolphins team not giving up huge chunks of yards on penalties every drive.

"resnor wrote:

You just can't help but keep my name in your mouth.

And you continue to misrepresent my position.

lol.. nobody misrepresents your position more than you do. You try to have everything both ways, constantly contradicting yourself. I’ve shown you actual posts to prove what I said is true. Your position has been that Tua is at most a slightly above average QB who is putting up these great stats due not to him but his surroundings, And very importantly, you haven’t deviated from that since your last flip flop no matter how many times I’ve asked you to. All that’s on record.

I’ll ask you again right now to see if you’re willing to flip flop once more. Is Tua a slightly above average QB who is playing elite due to his surroundings or is Tua himself a well above average to elite QB? Giving you another chance at a flip flop here. I’d take it if I were you or I’ll keep pointing out you’re a Tua hater.

Brad…
Resnor…

Please…I’m BEGGING you both…

***CEASE FIRE***

We’re kicking a$$ this season. Just flipping enjoy it!!!!

"The_Dark_Knight wrote:

Brad…
Resnor…

Please…I’m BEGGING you both…

***CEASE FIRE***

We’re kicking a$$ this season. Just flipping enjoy it!!!!

First, there’s no “cease fire” when someone falsely accuses me of lying as resnor often does only for me to prove using actual quotes of his that what I said about his past positions is true. It’s really embarrassing how many times he misrepresents his own past positions.

Second, you don’t throw tons of crap at people when Tua plays bad only to act like people shouldn’t take you to task for it as soon as Tua starts playing well.

Finally, I’m very much enjoying the Dolphins finally being relevant again. Don’t worry about that part.

Just the worst.

"Sceeto wrote:

Just the worst.

The anti-Tua company you keep is a lot worse, especially StaleTacos whose posts you seem to really like.

Bearing in mind the title of this thread, which is to enjoy what's happening (at least until the Buffalo game!), it seems to me that Tua is the ideal QB for this offense, and this offense is ideal for Tua. Which is how it ought to be, if the coach and GM are doing their jobs well.

Well I am enjoying this.I see no reason to.complain about anything exceptaybe the easy schedule but then again the Bills should have lost to the stinking giants last night.

"cbrad wrote:

First, there’s no “cease fire” when someone falsely accuses me of lying as resnor often does only for me to prove using actual quotes of his that what I said about his past positions is true. It’s really embarrassing how many times he misrepresents his own past positions.

Second, you don’t throw tons of crap at people when Tua plays bad only to act like people shouldn’t take you to task for it as soon as Tua starts playing well.

Finally, I’m very much enjoying the Dolphins finally being relevant again. Don’t worry about that part.

Pound sand.

I started the first All Positive thread for Tua.

You took a dump in that one, also.

"resnor wrote:

Pound sand.

I started the first All Positive thread for Tua.

You took a dump in that one, also.

You made that thread sarcastically and out of spite for everyone calling out your inconsistent, goal post shifting drivel.

"resnor wrote:

Pound sand.

I started the first All Positive thread for Tua.

You took a dump in that one, also.

Dude.. the "OFFICIAL All-Tua All-Positive Thread" was clearly a trolling thread in the minds of a LOT of posters, including me, whatever you say your intentions were. Right before you started that thread, you repeatedly accused TheHighExhaulted of trolling, saying he was "a condescending sarcastic prick", then decided to start a thread using the exact posting style (condescending sarcasm) you accused him of lol. The timing made it obvious it was a trolling thread, and a lot of posters saw it that way.

Here's the thread for those who want to look back at it:
https://thephins.com/threads/the-official-all-tua-all-positive-thread.97844/

It was actually funny when you started that. Note my one comment on page 1 was "lol @ human interactions", which you're saying is me "taking a dump in the thread" lol. I was just laughing at human behavior, not necessarily taking a dump in the thread. However, I will gladly take a dump on it as long as you insist it's not a trolling thread. I mean seriously, who starts a thread saying you're only allowed to say positive things about Tua. Makes no sense unless there's a huge history behind it lol.

"resnor wrote:

Pound sand.

I started the first All Positive thread for Tua.

You took a dump in that one, also.

"TheHighExhaulted wrote:

You made that thread sarcastically and out of spite for everyone calling out your inconsistent, goal post shifting drivel.

Seriously, if you guys were earnest in your disagreement, you'd handle your business via DM. But stirring up dust in otherwise good threads keeps the mods' hackles up and winds up getting the threads locked. We should pin a sh*t posting thread and every time somebody makes a personal attack or accusation - regardless of validity - it should be moved into that pinned thread. If the beef is legitimate, it can continue there and let the other thread keep going.

Please find a way to disagree without being disagreeable if you cannot ignore one another.

After so many years I lost count I think we have a legit superbowl contender and we will even be stronger when Ramsey comes back!Never seen an offence like this even with Marino because of this running game

Wanna know what these Tua threads have turned into? Let me illustrate.

Miami Dolphins = The United States of America

Tua = Joe Biden/Donald Trump

We all know the US/Dolphins is best in the world but what’s always being argued is Tua…depending on your political persuasion, he’s Biden or Trump.

Once your mind is made up, it doesn’t matter.

"The_Dark_Knight wrote:

Wanna know what these Tua threads have turned into? Let me illustrate.

Miami Dolphins = The United States of America

Tua = Joe Biden/Donald Trump

We all know the US/Dolphins is best in the world but what’s always being argued is Tua…depending on your political persuasion, he’s Biden or Trump.

Once your mind is made up, it doesn’t matter.

That analogy doesn't work for me. First, I don't vote. Second, I don't like either President. Third, my mind wasn't made up. It was always based on performance, so the first 2 years I was getting close to saying we made a mistake with Tua and made it contingent on year 3 performance (based on stats of many elite QBs' years 3-4). And fourth, the Dolphins are new SB contenders while the US has been a superpower a long time and is now somewhat in decline — we're living more off of mistakes of others (Putin's invasion of Ukraine, Xi's return to a state run economy) than great moves on our part.

"cbrad wrote:

That analogy doesn't work for me. First, I don't vote. Second, I don't like either President. Third, my mind wasn't made up. It was always based on performance, so the first 2 years I was getting close to saying we made a mistake with Tua and made it contingent on year 3 performance (based on stats of many elite QBs' years 3-4). And fourth, the Dolphins are new SB contenders while the US has been a superpower a long time and is now somewhat in decline — we're living more off of mistakes of others (Putin's invasion of Ukraine, Xi's return to a state run economy) than great moves on our part.

This is the best political discussion ever! I also do not care for either president- is that really the best two candidates in the entire United States? I mean, really?!?

With that said, we're not allowed to have political discussions here because it always gets way too heated. So we should probably switch gears and stick to football.

"The_Dark_Knight wrote:

Once your mind is made up, it doesn’t matter.

That's called narrow-minded thinking and its a sure-fire way to avoid growing in life or ever achieving anything that matters. As soon as you say that half the people's opinions don't matter, you've already lost whatever you think you're arguing.

"KeyFin wrote:

This is the best political discussion ever! I also don't vote and I do not care for either president- is that really the best two candidates in the entire United States? I mean, really?!?

With that said, we're not allowed to have political discussions here because it always gets way too heated. So we should probably switch gears and stick to football.

If you don't vote you don't get a say. Otherwise it's just postering based on others actions. The people who don't vote usually complain the most but do nothing to help make change. I vote for the Dolphins to win the Superbowl.