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Titans to start Ryan Tannehill

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by bbqpitlover, Oct 16, 2019.

  1. bbqpitlover

    bbqpitlover Well-Known Member

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  2. Vertical Limit

    Vertical Limit Senior Member

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    lateral move at best, they will be looking to draft a quarterback soon.

    titans have had two top 10 draft picks at quarterbacks in the last 8 years, Mariota and Locker. And they may be seeing their third one real soon.
     
  3. Phins_to_Win

    Phins_to_Win Well-Known Member

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    I'm looking forward to seeing what he can do. He actually didn't do bad in last weeks game. He moved them into scoring position a couple of times and the interception was on 4th and 11 just trying to make a play in desperation time.

    I think the offensive line is going to be an Achilles heel for him there, just as it was here. But they have a pretty good defense. If he can muster even an avg QB showing they might be able to win some games and be playing some meaningful games deep into the season. at 2 and 4 they are probably not winning the division, but wildcard might be within reach.
     
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  4. The Guy

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    That's nothing new for Tannehill.

    He's made his living in non-clutch situations and/or against poorer pass defenses, which never augured well for success in the playoffs.
     
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  5. The_Dark_Knight

    The_Dark_Knight Defender of the Truth

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    Hmmm, so based on 3 out of the 4 posts in this thread, I suppose we're going to get our first win?
     
  6. ExplosionsInDaSky

    ExplosionsInDaSky Well-Known Member

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    I actually followed a bit of that game once he got in there. Yes....Absolutely, same old Ryan Tannehill. Looked brilliant and poised at times like a great QB should, and then would take a sack and fold under the pressure. He'd lose that pocket presence, and then on a 4th and 11 that a great QB can sometimes convert, he threw a pick. Still....I hope he does well for them if given further opportunity. I'm never going to not root for the guy.
     
  7. The Guy

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    And the 4th down was the clutch situation, where he failed, embedded in the garbage time, where he succeeded in general. Same old pattern.
     
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  8. Tin Indian

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    I'm telling ya, stay away from those Oregon QB's. Something is just lacking with those guys. And yes I'm talking about Herbert.
     
  9. Vertical Limit

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    Well tannehill has had past success against the chargers and the chargers showed me they cant tackle .. so who knows..
     
  10. Irishman

    Irishman Well-Known Member

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    Makes you want to consider the value in tanking for a QB.

    Of course with fans, their jobs are not on the line and they can blame everyone but themselves when a selection doesn't pan out.

    It will be interesting to see how he performed when the season is over. Especially when you consider where we are with our QB's and who or whom we pick in the draft. It will then be interesting to see how well we perform with whoever ends up playing QB in 2020 and 2021for Miami.
     
  11. djphinfan

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    Got Mariota way wrong coming out of the draft..

    Got Tannehill way right..
     
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  12. mooseguts

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    At this point I think he's better than Mariota but he'll never be the guy.
     
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  13. The_Dark_Knight

    The_Dark_Knight Defender of the Truth

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    But but...he won the Heisman Trophy!!!!
     
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  14. cbrad

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    Next test is Darnold. That's one we disagree on (I think he's at best average, same as Mariota, while you think he could be way better).

    btw.. it's pretty rare for a QB to end up "great" so even guys who are above average at talent eval will get more wrong than right with QB's. Worth remembering that it's not the percentage of your hits and misses in a vacuum that counts.. have to always compare to others.
     
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  15. Phins_to_Win

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    I hear you but I want to see if that pattern continues now that he is away from this team and its less then stellar record of putting people in positions to succeed. I never thought Tanny was elite, but I still believe he is good/above average QB. IF Titans ask him to just do his part they might find some success with him. Of course at this point its more of a curiosity, if he isn't going to help my team win then there isn't a ton of value in him lighting it up now.
     
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  16. The Guy

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    In my opinion the only way Tannehill stands a chance of making any noise in the playoffs is if he’s on a team that’s asking him to do very little offensively and he can therefore play an Alex Smith-type game, and that’s accompanied by one of the best if not the best pass defenses in the league. Only then is he going to be able to compete with the elite quarterbacks he would face in the playoffs.

    You might get some elevated play out of him during the regular season amidst some better surroundings, but that isn’t going to mean **** come playoff time unless these other factors are present. He’s not going to go out there in the playoffs and outduel Tom Brady or Patrick Mahomes unless his own pass defense can shut them down.
     
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  17. RGF

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    I was a Tannehill supporter for a long time before I soured on him towards the end of his tenure here. This post is spot on as far as I'm concerned. He can hold his own and be competent IF the pieces around him fit perfectly.
     
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  18. DolphinGreg

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    So on one side of the fence there's a Ryan Tannehill thread...and on the other side of the fence there's a Kyler Murray thread.

    #DolphinsRightNow
     
  19. The Guy

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    And unfortunately the likelihood of assembling those pieces is fairly low, which is why Super Bowls in this era are almost never won by average QBs.
     
  20. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito. Club Member

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    Eli Manning won 2
     
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  21. The Guy

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    Right, and Joe Flacco, Trent Dilfer, and Brad Johnson each won one.

    The rest of the past 25 -- or 80% of them -- have been won by Hall of Famers.
     
  22. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    Yea but two of those were Kurt Warner
     
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  23. The Guy

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    He is a Hall of Famer.
     
  24. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    But an average quarterback
     
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  25. resnor

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    And a bunch were won by the same QB. You make it sound worse than it actually is. It's not like there's 25 other QBs. Brady has how many of the past 25? LOL
     
  26. The Guy

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    Obviously that opinion isn’t shared by the Hall of Fame voters.
     
  27. The Guy

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    And that makes it an even worse prospect for the average quarterback, because it indicates that there is a small group of exceptionally good quarterbacks that have a much stronger likelihood of winning Super Bowls, even to the tune of repeat wins.
     
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  28. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    Fits your description of Tannehill
     
  29. resnor

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    Or it's actually a higher percentage of non HoFers winning Super Bowls this era than you were attempting to represent. 4 out 25 is worse than 4 out of 12 (not sure the exact, but take Brady's 6 out and Warners 2 leaves 12-14 other QBs). So it's actually better odds that you can win a Super Bowl with an non elite QB than most people probably think.
     
  30. The Guy

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    Well sure, if you exclude certain Super Bowls from consideration, then of course you’re left with an entirely different percentage.

    By the same token, if you choose to exclude the Super Bowls that average quarterbacks have won, then you’re left with average quarterbacks’ having won 0% of them.
     
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  31. cbrad

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    Kurt Warner an average QB?? If Warner is "average" then there are almost no above average QB's!

    Obviously his performance during the "greatest show on turf" is well known. He came in #1 in passer rating rankings twice and #3 once during 1999-2001. The z-scores for those years are 3, 1.7 and 2.3 which is absolutely elite level that very few ever reach (especially that 3).

    But you can ignore those 3 years and ask what his career z-score would be otherwise, and it's 0.5716 which is a solid above average level for a QB. Maybe adjusted ratings are easier to intuit than z-scores. That 0.5716 is a 100.5 rating in 2018. That was Kurt Warner's average when excluding his 3 best years. Include all his years and it's an average z-score of 1.19 or 108.2 rating.

    You can look at individual years too and it's impressive. Once again ignore the "greatest show on turf" years and he has only 1 year that was statistically below average among seasons where he started 5+ games: an adjusted 77.9 rating for 2002. That was done with different teams, coaches and surrounding casts, and he didn't have a great surrounding cast most of the time. I mean.. he was well above average statistically in 6 of those 7 years despite having a losing record in 4 of them!

    Absolutely no justification for calling Kurt Warner average. Guy was elite for several years and otherwise solidly above average.
     
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  32. Vertical Limit

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    And fans here want his left handed clone Tua with the first pick...
     
  33. cbrad

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    Tua doesn't really have the decision making and accuracy issues that you sometimes saw with Mariota. Really the only knock against Tua is that he's on such a good team you just don't know how he'll do when he's not on one. Wasn't the case with Mariota. And I personally value decision making and accuracy FAR more than raw physical ability in QB's (which btw is why I don't think Darnold will be very good).

    Tua simply has a higher floor than Mariota did. Much less likely to just be average, though I agree it's hard to tell if he'll ever be "great".
     
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  34. Irishman

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    Hall of Fame players in any sport are subjective choices. There is not a one to one equivalency between who was the best at a position and who got into the Hall of Fame.

    Being on a Superbowl team helps, but that is based on a taem result in combination with an individuals overall effort.

    There are players who are not in the Hall of Fame who were better then some players at the same position who made it in.

    I recall there is even a list of players who should be in the Hall of Fame, but aren't. I'll leave it to you to re-discover that list.
     
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  35. The Guy

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    That really doesn’t have any meaning with regard to the present conversation unless you’re prepared to deconstruct the fact that 20 of the past 25 quarterbacks to win Super Bowls have been present or future Hall of Famers, by indicating which of those 20 quarterbacks should not have been or won’t be Hall of Famers.

    In the end you’re left with 80% of the past 25 Super Bowl winners’ being quarterbacks who have been or will be designated to have significantly greater individual ability than the other five Super Bowl winning quarterbacks, again unless you’re willing to deconstruct that.

    What you’re saying in essence is that Hall of Fame designation may not be valid because it’s subjectively determined, but you’ve provided no argument for invalidity in that regard, with regard to the present conversation.
     
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  36. Irishman

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    I'm afraid you missed my point. Teams win Superbowls, not QB's!
     
  37. Deus ex dolphin

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    Tanny will do nothing for the Titans, but win a couple games and drop their draft position, which is good for Miami.

    Speaking of old Miami QBs, Matt Moore is playing tonight for the Chefs. Mahomes got hurt.
     
  38. TheHighExhaulted

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    Trade Fitzpatrick to the Chiefs.
     
  39. Deus ex dolphin

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    Could trade Rosen at this point. Would be interesting with the weapons they have, how he'd do. Cheap backup if nothing else, which is also a reason to keep him in Miami.
     
  40. Deus ex dolphin

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    Well, Matt can still throw a nice deep pass. Chefs up 27-6.
     

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