Ryan Tannehill

"The Guy wrote:

Remember that during the regular season, excluding the Denver game, the correlation between Tannehill's passer rating and his number of pass attempts on a game-by-game basis was -0.87, meaning that when he threw the ball more in a game, his passer rating plummeted.

You are making an implied causation here that is not proven.

"The Guy wrote:

Obviously it's not a good sign for him that last week that correlation was diminished considerably not by the fact that he threw the ball a lot and played well, but by the fact that he threw the ball very little and nonetheless played poorly.

He didn't play poorly. An assertion you keep making without backing it up.

"The Guy wrote:

So it's not a matter of pass protection exclusively. It's a matter of how much of a role Tannehill will have to take in the passing game, and whether the nature of his performance will make the team competitive against the best teams in the league.

Like maybe against KC and NO this year where he posting passer ratings of 133.9 and 133.6 ......

"The Guy wrote:

This is what has to happen with a quarterback if you want to win a Super Bowl in today's game.

Is it? Brady posted passer ratings of 77 and 71 enroute to the SB victory LAST SEASON.

"resnor wrote:

It's been asked earlier, but instead of simply claiming he played poorly, actually describe the 15 pass attempts, and explain what you think he did poorly on each throw. That's the only way that we can have a reasonable and rational discussion. You claiming it was poor, but giving no concrete reasons keeps us mired in circular arguments.

He will not do that........

"djphinfan wrote:

Folks forget about bust predications, they just wanna highlight a miss for whatever reason, only you know that..

What about Ponder, Geno Smith, Russell, Locker, Claussen..

Ryan Has proven me wring up until one last point, and that point is trusting that he can play at a high level on the road, and make those individual plays I think every Qb has to make on their way to a champ.. I saw some good throws last week, especially the conversion, but overall I thought he and that team was carried and won by one dominate running back..

I don’t know what you’re getting at with the first part of your reply. Honestly and no sarcasm.

But as for the 2nd part regarding Tannehill and his on the road play.

Remember what teams he was getting dominated by. It was always the Bills, Jets and Patriots. They had or have EXCELLENT defenses! Particularly pass rush.

We all can remember watching Mario Williams and company Tbag Tannehill all day long in passing situations. They would destroy our Oline and Tannehill looked like the proverbial deer in the headlights.

Here’s the difference,

Where I imagine you (and others) were asking yourself something along the lines of “why don’t you pull a magic act like Russell Wilson?”. I was screaming “where is his outlet?!”. “Where is the screen to the RB?”. “Where are the calls to make them PAY for these jailbreak pass rushing calls that are destroying our pathetic Oline?!”.

I know I always saw Peyton, Flacco and Brady have somewhere to drop it off! Woodhead, Ray Rice any RB in a Bronco uniform. They all had somewhere to go with the ball to keep defenses from teeing off. Not us. It was drop back and pass on 3rd and 14....

Where was our built in scheme to nullify this pass rush?! That fell on the coaching staff. I still believe it to this day.

"Dol-Fan Dupree wrote:

I thought the third and eighth throw was clutch and allowed them to run a good chuck of time off the clock

It absolutely did, and I’m not sure how I can fit that happening in the context of my argument here, it’s a fine line..

"Mcduffie81 wrote:

I don’t know what you’re getting at with the first part of your reply. Honestly and no sarcasm.

But as for the 2nd part regarding Tannehill and his on the road play.

Remember what teams he was getting dominated by. It was always the Bills, Jets and Patriots. They had or have EXCELLENT defenses! Particularly pass rush.

We all can remember watching Mario Williams and company Tbag Tannehill all day long in passing situations. They would destroy our Oline and Tannehill looked like the proverbial deer in the headlights.

Here’s the difference,

Where I imagine you (and others) were asking yourself something along the lines of “why don’t you pull a magic act like Russell Wilson?”. I was screaming “where is his outlet?!”. “Where is the screen to the RB?”. “Where are the calls to make them PAY for these jailbreak pass rushing calls that are destroying our pathetic Oline?!”.

I know I always saw Peyton, Flacco and Brady have somewhere to drop it off! Woodhead, Ray Rice any RB in a Bronco uniform. They all had somewhere to go with the ball to keep defenses from teeing off. Not us. It was drop back and pass on 3rd and 14....

Where was our built in scheme to nullify this pass rush?! That fell on the coaching staff. I still believe it to this day.

I'd add the Ravens to that list McDuff. Those were his bugaboos while here...and those teams weren't always playoff caliber, but their DL was.

And he's going up against a Ravens DL this weekend that is probably better than those. I'm seeing a lot of comments coming out from Titans RBs/TEs about how crucial it will be to pick up their blitz. They know their OL is gonna get smashed. Will they plan in outlets like you referred above? If they do, he could murder 'em in short+YAC stuff all game long. They have to do this AND stop Derrick Henry at the same time. Gonna be VERY interesting to see how Baltimore goes about this game, if they blitz on more than just 3rd, etc. Tannehill will be able to identify it and shift protect, adjust points, roll-out maybe, so it's gonna be a cat and mouse game.

"FinFaninBuffalo wrote:

All other things being equal, I agree with you, but I am NOT going to trade Tannehill's arm talent for Fitzpatrick's or anyone similar just to get the off script stuff. I'm not sure I trade the off script stuff if I am getting far inferior accuracy, pre-snap recognition, or a host of other things.

Also, I think you are underestimating the amount of off script plays that Tannehill makes.

while he was our Qb he ran on his own accord about 1 time a game..

I’ll be the first to tell you his skill set was mismanaged, him not running read option at least 5 times a game, rolling out once a game was never capitalizing on what he does well..it was a joke.

That’s why I always wanted him to take matters into his own hands more often, but he never did..to me that was the red flag that killed me.you know you have a pathetic oline and your just going to pretend it’s going to protect you while you go through your progressions???

"Fin D wrote:

As I said, your defense boils down to two things:
1. Everyone who doesn't felate the Pats is stupid and jealous.
2. Nebulous assumptions passed off as fact without real evidence, like, "everyone does it".

He was a failed HC in Cleveland. Your ignorance on that topic isn't a point in your favor.

No, the biggest joke, is the scenario that I've already laid out for you and asked you to answer for....four times now, and you of course haven't.

It provides the same advantage as stadium built to be loud. Its literally nothing and it is beyond pathetic that you would compare that to taping signals or leaving the QBs headset on.

Really? This is how stupid your argument is. Hell you could have used the Jets coach, who actually was trying to trip the player and actually did, and was also fired. But that wouldn't fit into your absurd narrative.

Wanna take a guess who the team to get the first complaints about those headset shenanigans was?

Haha. As you cling to assumptions. Show me the proof of your made up nonsense that Brady plays his games with real time audio in his helmet telling him where to throw. Facts huh? Stop making stuff up in order to troll.

Remember...6th round QB, not on ANY scout or team's radar, very poor athlete in comparison to his peers, below average arm. Here's some scouting reports on him:

“He had that great bowl game but I think he’s just very common,” a scout of NFC team said, according to McGinn. “He’s a bony, very thin kind of guy. God, you can see his ribs on his build. His arm is just adequate.”

“I don’t like him,” said the scout. “Smart guy. That’s it.”

--Poor build
--Skinny
--Lacks great physical stature and strength
--Lacks mobility and ability to avoid the rush
--Lacks a really strong arm
--Can’t drive the ball downfield
--Does not throw a really tight spiral
--System-type player who can get exposed if forced to ad lib
--Gets knocked down easily
--5.28 40 yard dash, 24" vertical

HAHAHA. This is a first. Someone using Brady's negative scouting report from 20 years ago as an effort to "prove" they are cheaters. This is gold lol. But yes, keep throwing around the word "facts" because people disagree with your nonsense and aren't using the same "facts" as you. Incredible.

PS: Just because you made something up, doesn't mean it's a fact.

"Mcduffie81 wrote:

I don’t know what you’re getting at with the first part of your reply. Honestly and no sarcasm.

But as for the 2nd part regarding Tannehill and his on the road play.

Remember what teams he was getting dominated by. It was always the Bills, Jets and Patriots. They had or have EXCELLENT defenses! Particularly pass rush.

We all can remember watching Mario Williams and company Tbag Tannehill all day long in passing situations. They would destroy our Oline and Tannehill looked like the proverbial deer in the headlights.

Here’s the difference,

Where I imagine you (and others) were asking yourself something along the lines of “why don’t you pull a magic act like Russell Wilson?”. I was screaming “where is his outlet?!”. “Where is the screen to the RB?”. “Where are the calls to make them PAY for these jailbreak pass rushing calls that are destroying our pathetic Oline?!”.

I know I always saw Peyton, Flacco and Brady have somewhere to drop it off! Woodhead, Ray Rice any RB in a Bronco uniform. They all had somewhere to go with the ball to keep defenses from teeing off. Not us. It was drop back and pass on 3rd and 14....

Where was our built in scheme to nullify this pass rush?! That fell on the coaching staff. I still believe it to this day.

I’m not stupid enough to think Ryan can pull a Russell Wilson, he doesn’t have that kind of agility..But he could of mitigated it much better imo, he’s got some moves and decent speed..

We agree that he had incompetent coaching that didn’t give him that outlet, but I feel that there were times he could of done a things differently, many times, for years

Dealing with a pass rush is MUCH more than just having pocket awareness. It does NOT have to be from the ability to threaten with your legs.

The Flacco lead Ravens and Patriots were 2 good examples of making you pay using their RB for quick dump offs.

It’s much better to drop it off to a RB than have your QB running around out there trying to pull Houdini acts.

"Cashvillesent wrote:

Haha. As you cling to assumptions. Show me the proof of your made up nonsense that Brady plays his games with real time audio in his helmet telling him where to throw. Facts huh? Stop making stuff up in order to troll.

It was proven, there was an NYT article on it, the NFL buried it.

Doug Flutie, IIRC, was his back-up that let the story out.

It's not made-up, but it is largely ignored by Brady slurpers.

Edit: There was a video a guy that investigated it put up on YouTube, even wrote a book on their "Spy Gate" crap, that was linked on here not too long ago...very bad stuff. I'll try to dig it up.

"djphinfan wrote:

while he was our Qb he ran on his own accord about 1 time a game..

I’ll be the first to tell you his skill set was mismanaged, him not running read option at least 5 times a game, rolling out one a game was never capitalizing on what he does well..

That’s why I always wanted him to take matters into his own hands more often, but he never did..to me that was the red flag that killed me.you know you have a pathetic oline and your just going to pretend it’s going to protect you while you go through your progressions???

But, if you are not practicing that during the week, what is the likelihood that it would be successful? What would the receivers do if the team is not planning for and practicing those plays during the week? How is there a chance in hell that it would be successful? I know it sounds good, but really? I think you are projecting success (by watching other teams that incorporate it as part of their game plan) that is just not likely in the scenario where the QB is being coached to stay in the pocket and the receivers and OL are expecting it.

"Cashvillesent wrote:

Haha. As you cling to assumptions. Show me the proof of your made up nonsense that Brady plays his games with real time audio in his helmet telling him where to throw. Facts huh? Stop making stuff up in order to troll.

HAHAHA. This is a first. Someone using Brady's negative scouting report from 20 years ago as an effort to "prove" they are cheaters. This is gold lol. But yes, keep throwing around the word "facts" because people disagree with your nonsense and aren't using the same "facts" as you. Incredible.

PS: Just because you made something up, doesn't mean it's a fact.

You saying I’m a troll?

Again, you prove you’re not just biased but willfully and woefully uninformed about the stuff you are arrogantly arguing about. Which pretty much checks all the boxes for Patriot sycophant.

"PhinFan1968 wrote:

It was proven, there was an NYT article on it, the NFL buried it.

Doug Flutie, IIRC, was his back-up that let the story out.

It's not made-up, but it is largely ignored by Brady slurpers.

Edit: There was a video a guy that investigated it put up on YouTube, even wrote a book on their "Spy Gate" crap, that was linked on here not too long ago...very bad stuff. I'll try to dig it up.

Here's that interview with the author/investigator:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=id=hcl5vZ3DPUg;t=717

And I can't find the NYT article right now, but it had more detail as to how they were using an unauthorized and non-NFL monitored frequency, and the extra speaker placed under the NFL authorized speaker inside the helmet.

"djphinfan wrote:

I’m not stupid enough to think Ryan can pull a Russell Wilson, he doesn’t have that kind of agility..But he could of mitigated it much better imo, he’s got some moves and decent speed..

We agree that he had incompetent coaching that didn’t give him that outlet, but I feel that there were times he could of done a things differently, many times, for years

I know you’re not stupid.

I agree he wasn’t the best at getting out of trouble. But you did say multiple times that Tannehill has a “fatal flaw”. I don’t agree with that at all. And much of that bad stigma comes from dealing with those Jets, Bills and Pats defenses with crap “game plans”.

"djphinfan wrote:

I’m not stupid enough to think Ryan can pull a Russell Wilson, he doesn’t have that kind of agility..But he could of mitigated it much better imo, he’s got some moves and decent speed..

We agree that he had incompetent coaching that didn’t give him that outlet, but I feel that there were times he could of done a things differently, many times, for years

There are lots of QBs who slide around in the pocket in response to pressure and stay in that general area of the field and complete passes that way. Tannehill has never demonstrated that skill. Even if he was being asked to stay in the pocket, there was nothing stopping him from doing it in that way.

"Mcduffie81 wrote:

I know you’re not stupid.

I agree he wasn’t the best at getting out of trouble. But you did say multiple times that Tannehill has a “fatal flaw”. I don’t agree with that at all. And much of that bad stigma comes from dealing with those Jets, Bills and Pats defenses with crap “game plans”.

I agree.

It is not a fatal flaw that Tannehill isn't an all star scrambler. Its a tool that isn't in his tool kit. If it was, he'd likely be the top QB in the game. But all anyone here ever really argued was that you could win with Thill. That's been proven.

"The Guy wrote:

There are lots of QBs who slide around in the pocket in response to pressure and stay in that general area of the field and complete passes that way. Tannehill has never demonstrated that skill. Even if he was being asked to stay in the pocket, there was nothing stopping him from doing it in that way.

Completely misleading BS.

"The Guy wrote:

There are lots of QBs who slide around in the pocket in response to pressure and stay in that general area of the field and complete passes that way. Tannehill has never demonstrated that skill. Even if he was being asked to stay in the pocket, there was nothing stopping him from doing it in that way.

Its like being completely wrong is your fingerprint.

"The Guy wrote:

There are lots of QBs who slide around in the pocket in response to pressure and stay in that general area of the field and complete passes that way. Tannehill has never demonstrated that skill. Even if he was being asked to stay in the pocket, there was nothing stopping him from doing it in that way.

You mean like when I'd watch Tannehill try to climb the pocket because the ends were allowing pressure, only to have him get smashed by a DT coming through, or watch him try to escape to the side because of middle pressure only to get smashed by a DE coming free?

"Fin D wrote:

Its like being completely wrong is your fingerprint.

Its almost like that video posted a few pages ago, showing him doing just that, NUMEROUS times, doesn't exist.

"The Guy wrote:

There are lots of QBs who slide around in the pocket in response to pressure and stay in that general area of the field and complete passes that way. Tannehill has never demonstrated that skill. Even if he was being asked to stay in the pocket, there was nothing stopping him from doing it in that way.

Maybe actually watch him play. He slides ALL THE TIME!

"Fin D wrote:

I agree.

It is not a fatal flaw that Tannehill isn't an all star scrambler. Its a tool that isn't in his tool kit. If it was, he'd likely be the top QB in the game. But all anyone here ever really argued was that you could win with Thill. That's been proven.

I agree with this. If Tannehill had the moves of Russell Wilson he’d be a top 3 QB.

Tannehill makes throws almost no other QBs can make. He just doesn’t miss often. People don’t appreciate that enough.

I mean miami didn’t even run qb sneak on short yardage as in less than one with Ryan. The levels of incompetence with personnel in Miami has been...

baffling.

"The Guy wrote:

Tannehill has never demonstrated that skill.

False.

"PhinFan1968 wrote:

Its almost like that video posted a few pages ago, showing him doing just that, NUMEROUS times, doesn't exist.

LOL. I was thinking the same thing.