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Titans to start Ryan Tannehill

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by bbqpitlover, Oct 16, 2019.

  1. KeyFin

    KeyFin Well-Known Member

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    The questions are based on your assumptions that he'll choke in the near future. You can't seriously think someone who's rooting for him to succeed is going to play that game just for your amusement.
     
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  2. The Guy

    The Guy Well-Known Member

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    You just said essentially the same thing as your previous post, as if my response to it that you quoted didn’t exist.
     
  3. Hoops

    Hoops Well-Known Member

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    40 yard pass td on 3rd and 6 to ice it.

    ho hum 5 and 1
     
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  4. Hoops

    Hoops Well-Known Member

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    keep moving the needle dj.

    I’m surprised you aren’t sitting this one out after your emphatic tannehill will do nothing but carry a clipboard in Tennessee behind mariota nonsense.

    that mariota will have a rebirth in tennessee. Lol.
     
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  5. PhinFan1968

    PhinFan1968 To 2020, and BEYOND! Club Member

    40 yard DIME.
     
  6. Hoops

    Hoops Well-Known Member

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    yep it was. But In terms of overall game that was the worst one tannehill has played as a starter. Still as accurate and placement wise as he’s been all season but a couple times that internal clock didn’t come on to escape the pocket til it was too late. A tick late which is something we’ve seen throughout his time in tbe league.

    difference is he’s no longer surrounded by hot garbage so he can be picked up by the players around him sometimes. Like just about any damn qb needs from time to time.

    again he has to feel like he’s died and gone to heaven.
     
  7. AGuyNamedAlex

    AGuyNamedAlex Well-Known Member

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    Hes banking on Tannehill having one bad playoff game to justify his entire outlook.

    What he doesnt realize is that Tannehill having a bad playoff game wont = Tannehill is a bad QB.
     
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  8. Hoops

    Hoops Well-Known Member

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    Exactly
     
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  9. Hoops

    Hoops Well-Known Member

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    And I will say this so people don’t think I’m just a tanny homer. Tannehill was a minus grade qb for Miami in 2018.

    I know that. I saw it on the tape even. But no one ever accounted for all that game time missed and potential for rust even.

    I know one thing. The timing of ball out of hand relative to route combo is spot on pre injury form. So is the placement.

    I’ve seen him a tick late on a square in and that’s about it.

    I do think the tackle play is a big thing for him in Tennessee too. Lewan and Conklin are very solid tackles. Lewan especially is damn good.
     
  10. The Guy

    The Guy Well-Known Member

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    One thing I haven't heard mentioned in this thread is that this is the first time in Tannehill's career that he hasn't been designated the starter and has had to compete for his job.

    If that's in fact an active ingredient in how he's playing, then it probably would've behooved the Dolphins to give him solid competition long ago.
     
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  11. KeyFin

    KeyFin Well-Known Member

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    He competed for the job in Miami several seasons across three different coaches...and he won the position every time. The problem is that there's no real pressure in practice so it doesn't always simulate what he'll do in a game.
     
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  12. Pauly

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    I think it is more that the Titans are letting him be free and to play his own style of football.

    From a playcalling perspective Philbin and Gase abandoned the run at the first sign of adversity. When opposing defenses can tee off knowing it’s a pass play they can send in exotic blitzes and coverages that confuse Tannehill and rack up the INTs and sacks. The Titans are preventing opposing Ds from doing this by applying a heavy dose of Derek Henry.

    Philbin and Co. straight jacketed him and forced him to play the way they wanted him to play, which was away from his strengths. Gase set him up in a gilded cage where he was immune from criticism, and as we’re seeing him do in New York with Darnold. Both approaches cut him off at the knees as a team leader. Now he’s free to be himself and the Titans are playing the type of football that suits his ability the best.
     
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  13. djphinfan

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    I hope the guy can get it done, he’s a nice person and a good family man, I’m not really partaking in this recent debate because I never said that Tannehill couldn’t play, my position has been clear from the beginning, I think he’s flawed and gets exposed when protection breaks down and I can’t stick with him as my Qb, which is a Qb that can lead the team to a championship..I know he can play and win some games, but when the playoffs begin, a Qb has to be able to make individual plays to win games on the road, sometimes big plays, sometimes subtle movements that allow him to reset..so like I said, once he does that and proves that part of his game, I don’t have much to say..not sure anyone can say too much until he does..

    But it’s all good, I was very wrong on Mariota, no doubt.
     
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  14. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Ryan has thrown many dimes in his career, dimes much better than that one
     
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  15. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    no sir, Tannehill has to prove himself, I think most rational folks would agree, he has to prove he can get it done.. protection on the way to a Super Bowl is going to inevitably break down, once he proves he can make those individual plays then I will think differently about him..
     
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  16. djphinfan

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    and yes, if Ryan falls short individually in the playoffs then my position will be justified unfortunately
     
  17. PhinFan1968

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    Ya but a big knock on Tannehill has always been, "can't do it when it matters...can't close out a game." And THAT dime did...with an exclamation point.
     
  18. The Guy

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    I don’t think there’s any doubt that the difficulty he experienced in becoming the starter in Tennessee this year was significantly greater than the difficulty he experienced in being the starter in Miami.

    And again, if that’s an active ingredient in his current performance, then obviously Miami should’ve made it more difficult for him to be the starter in Miami.
     
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  19. The Guy

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    While theoretically that’s certainly plausible, one would think, then, that the following three things would be true: 1) his current sack percentage would be significantly lower than his career number, 2) his current interception percentage would be significantly lower than his career number, and 3) there would be a strong correlation between running game variables and his performance in Miami. None of those three things are true, however.
     
  20. resnor

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    Except he didn't win the starting job in Tennessee. Mariota was injured, and Tannehill then started.
     
  21. Tin Indian

    Tin Indian Rockin' The Bottom End

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    I thought they just flat out benched Mariotta.
     
  22. The Guy

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    And that was my original point:
     
  23. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    And I'm disputing your assertion that he had to compete. He did not have to compete to be the starter.
     
  24. The Guy

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    Sure he did. He competed in camp and lost. That made him the default starter in the event of injury. Either way, he had to show up and compete.
     
  25. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    Please just stop.
     
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  26. The Guy

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    Sure thing. The point was made long ago.
     
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  27. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    In no universe is what Happened with Tannehill considered winning a job.
     
  28. The Guy

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    This is why you feel like your points are ignored or dismissed. You take some sort of peripheral aspect of someone else's point -- far from the thrust of what they're saying -- and argue it. Then when the person clarifies the thrust of their point, you feel as though they're dismissing yours. In reality you're dismissing the thrust of their point.

    In this case the thrust of the point is that Tannehill didn't win the starting job out of camp for the first time in his career. He wasn't designated the starter.

    Now, you can agree with that, since it's an incontrovertible fact, or you can take some piece of language I've used in communicating that point and disagree with it, thereby spinning us off on some tangent that 1) dismisses and ignores the thrust of my original point, and 2) ends up with you feel like your (peripheral and tangential) point has been dismissed or ignored, as I repeatedly clarify my own in the effort to help you achieve understanding.
     
  29. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    Your point was that Tannehill showed improvement due to having competition. I don't think that had anything to do with. Hence I was pointing out that he didn't win the starting job, he again got it by default.
     
  30. Galant

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    Whether he won the job at first or not, he did still have competition. The injury may have given Ryan the starting position but if he wants to keep it he has to earn it with every game...because he has competition.


    Is I think the point.
     
  31. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    That may be true. But that's a completely different point.
     
  32. Galant

    Galant Love - Unity - Sacrifice - Eternity Staff Member

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    Erm... I don't think it is. I didn't read it that way.

    The Guy's point has been, simply, that Tannehill has had to compete at the Titans in a way he didn't have to in Miami. Miami had no solid competition in Miami like there is in Mariota.

    I didn't see The Guy say that Tannehill won the starting position through competition but that he has had to compete the whole time (even though he lost that competition). It's perfectly plausible that Tannehill, not being the guaranteed starter and seeing that he has to step up to take the job from Mariota, upped his game, and that's what we're seeing now.
     
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  33. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    But he didn't take anything from Mariota is my point. If Mariota hadn't been injured, Tannehill wouldn't be starting.
     
  34. Galant

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    Sure, but where did The Guy say he took the job from Mariota? I don't think that was his point at all.

    And to reply from my own perspective, I suppose that what Ryan is having to do right now is where he's taking away from Mariota.
     
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  35. resnor

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    Well I guess first things first, this is a theory of his. When I read his initial post that I responded to, it seemed to me that he was saying that Tannehill is successful in Tennessee because of competition. I don't see it that way. I was only pointing out that he didn't go to Tennessee and beat out Mariota to win the job.
     
  36. Galant

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    Fair enough. But that wasn't his point.
     
  37. cuchulainn

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    Where are you guys getting this stuff about Tannehill only starting because Mariota got injured narrative from? That didn't happen.

    Mariota was benched due to a string of poor performances in consecutive games.

    https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/...nnehill-as-offense-can-do-nothing-vs-broncos/

    "Mariota completed just 1 of 7 pass attempts and threw two interceptions on throws that traveled more than 10 yards downfield, according to ESPN Stats & Information data. He entered Sunday completing 62.8 percent of those throws with three touchdowns and no interceptions.

    Tannehill, a 2012 first-round pick who was the Miami Dolphins' starter for seven seasons before being released this offseason, completed a quick pass to Corey Davis on an out-breaking route for his first completion as a Titan. He hit A.J. Brown on a quick slant for a 42-yard gain, but it was called back because of offensive pass interference on Brown. Tannehill finished the day 13 of 16 for 144 yards but also threw an interception."



    As for the stuff about Tannehill "losing" to Mariota in camp, there was much clamor during the pre-season that Tannehill was the better QB then as well. Vrable stuck with Mariota throughout the first quarter of the season as he was the incumbent and the starting job was his to lose in the regular season, which he did in the Broncos' game.
     
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  38. Galant

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    Oh man! You're right. I'm mixing up his prior injury with him being benched this year. Thanks for the correction!
     
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  39. resnor

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    I thought he injured his knee again. If that wasn't the case, then I take back everything I was saying.
     
  40. AGuyNamedAlex

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    I'm not saying you need to think he is elite. He does have a lot to prove. My point is that having a bad game in the playoffs or otherwise is a narrow minded thing to base an evaluation on.

    Peyton Manning couldnt even win "big games" until he did. I dont think many people truly doubted him though.

    Not comparing Tannehill to Manning btw as a player.
     
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