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Tony Gonzalez angry at 'ridiculous' hit on Dustin Keller

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by xphinfanx, Aug 22, 2013.

  1. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    I noticed the first kickoff, after the whistle, shove from behind of Wilson by Swearinger too. He is a dirty no good piece of shtt as far as I'm concerned, and deserves whatever fate befalls him. Karma is coming, and karma is pissed.
     
  2. ToddPhin

    ToddPhin RIP Phinsational Luxury Box Club Member

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    You shouldn't even need a rule for this. It should be understood without one, like don't pee in the electric socket. It's shameful that some of these players exhibit little respect for the game and their opponent, especially with it being such an exclusive club- being a member of the NFL that is.
     
  3. Bpk

    Bpk Premium Member Luxury Box

    This is the second time mentioned him having a rep as a dirty player. Could you tell me more? I never heard that and I'm curious.
     
  4. ToddPhin

    ToddPhin RIP Phinsational Luxury Box Club Member

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    How would it ruin the game? Who wouldn't want to see ball carriers running over defenders who refuse to learn how tackle or wrap up properly? I don't get any joy from watching corners and safeties cheaply and more easily taking down powerful backs and tight ends who might've otherwise trucked them or stiff-armed 'em into oblivion. I'm tired of this sense of entitlement that today's wimpy whiney defenders have toward tackling as if they think ball carriers shouldn't be allowed tackle-breaking privileges.

    What some of these players and fans don't understand is- a rule prohibiting defenders from targeting low wouldn't necessarily minimize the physicality of the game or pussify it like they complain about. It would actually improve the physicality by allowing offensive players to break more tackles and dish out some of their own punishment. Seriously, where's the physicality in a defensive back throwing himself at the ball carrier's knees and easily bringing down a player he should've had some difficulty with?
     
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  5. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    Google is your friend.

    In other words, examples have been posted throughout the various Keller threads since the injury too. Why should I have to repost them again, as it were never said before?
     
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  6. vizi0n

    vizi0n Boom.. Club Member

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    Just quoting what he said in the Keller injury thread...

    Sent from my SCH-I535 using Tapatalk 4
     
  7. CaribPhin

    CaribPhin Guest

    What's more wussy: Prohibiting potential career/life ending injuries, or crying every single time the word safety comes up?

    Now that we've got the BS "ruining the game" mantra out of the way with a Future HOFer commenting, what excuse is their now? Sarcastaball wasn't a prophecy.
     
  8. BevoPhin

    BevoPhin Well-Known Member

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    Doubt he's gonna be able to read it.
     
  9. Paul 13

    Paul 13 Chaotic Neutral & Unstable Genius Staff Member

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    Not what I was referring to when I said the game would be further ruined. The refs. That is all.
     
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  10. ToddPhin

    ToddPhin RIP Phinsational Luxury Box Club Member

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    Blah blah blah, you and a handful of whiney players cry that undersized defenders like Swearinger should have the advantage of recklessly targeting low in order to bring down bigger ball carriers. Okay, so then when a running back is met by a defensive tackle who outweighs him by 130 pounds, does that mean you think running back should he be allowed to ninja kick him in the balls or krav maga his eyes to give himself a better chance to break the tackle? GTHO.
     
  11. WhiteIbanez

    WhiteIbanez Megamediocremaniacal

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    Yep it's football. I'm sticking with pure awful luck.
     
  12. IdrA

    IdrA Rebuilding for Eternity.

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    Am I the only one who doesn't think this was a bad or malicious tackle? Maybe it's my Carolina Gamecock allegience showing, but hitting TE's low is nothing new in football. They are big receivers, it seems pretty standard to go low on them. Of course it sucks our guy got injured, he was going to be a big key to our offense, but I think that fact is clouding Dolphins fans judgement.
     
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  13. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh Club Member

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    Hitting a guy directly in the knee is not fairly common. Seeing the tackler target the knee the entire time he's getting ready for the tackle is even less common.

    To watch that hit and Swearinger never take his eyes off Keller's knee and come away with any other conclusion than a dirty hit, is baffling.
     
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  14. Larryfinfan

    Larryfinfan 17-0...Priceless Club Member

    Take a look at the NE/Detroit game, the first fumble by the NE TE (zudfeld)...Grover Quin, SS was in just about the same situation as Swearinger was and instead of going low, he hit the guy in the torso and caused a fumble to boot...that, Mr. Swearinger, is how you tackle...
     
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  15. darefugee

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    I hope that kid makes their team, so every big tight end who plays them can beat the hell out of that kid every week.
     
  16. Rhody Phins Fan

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    I'm not sure how you can tell where his eyes are actually looking.

    I've also rewatched it and the initial contact is not the knee. It's the thigh. It's a split second and then the rest of Swearinger caves in Keller's knee. I think it's a dirty hit but I don't think he was purposely trying to blow out his knee.
     
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  17. ToddPhin

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    So why do you feel they should be entitled to go low on bigger guys?

    What entitlement does Reggie Bush have when he's engulfed behind the line by Vince Wilfork who outweighs him by 125 pounds?
    What entitlement does Wes Welker have when he's met across the middle by a 250 pound linebacker waiting to lay him out?

    BTW, since when is it "pretty standard" to go low. This isn't a historical trend. Previously the game was played with much greater respect than that. Yes, defenders took head shots but that was b/c the awareness of concussion issues weren't present back then, however it's always been known that destroyed knees end careers. Players like Swearinger's are a disgrace to the game. period.
     
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  18. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh Club Member

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    Watch the gif floating around. He is looking directly at the knee the whole time.
     
  19. ToddPhin

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    Nah, the judgement that's being clouded is your Gamecock one. I find it absurd you believe a DB who possesses no proper tackling ability [like Swearinger] should be afforded special privileges just b/c the ball carrier outweighs him.

    Defenders of the 70's must be shaking their heads in disappointment over this pathetic attitude of "Boo hoo, how else do I tackle the ball carrier if I cant hit him low"!! What would this Larry Csonka reel look like if LB's & DB's felt entitled to target the knees just b/c he's tough to bring down? It'd be friggin' boring that's what it'd be. Some of his historical runs against the Vikings [starting at the 3 minute mark] would've never happened.

    [video=youtube;DHX-obVmY5I]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHX-obVmY5I[/video]

    There's no football law that says a tackling-disabled safety like Swearinger is supposed to bring down a bigger player in the open field by himself, just as there's no law saying a little slot receiver is supposed to break the tackle of a middle linebacker. If you can't bring down your opponent with a proper form tackle or wrap him up and wait for the wolf to arrive then you don't deserve to make the tackle, period. If Csonka played today he should deserve an HONEST OPPORTUNITY to showcase his greatness just as he did in the 70's w/o integrity-lacking, self-entitled defenders weakly targeting the knees to nullify his ability. And when those defenders did happen to go low, they went low- like shins and ankles low. If Swearinger can't handle that then he should go sell cars or something, or take advantage of that free education he wouldn't have earned otherwise.
     
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  20. Rhody Phins Fan

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    I have no idea how you can say that with confidence. He could very easily be looking at his thigh.
     
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  21. WhiteIbanez

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    That is exactly where the initial contact took place. On the thigh.
    I guess now defenders aren't supposed to put a hat on the the thigh either.
    This is getting ridiculous.
     
  22. ToddPhin

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    So what's your stance on defenders playing recklessly when it's not necessary?
     
  23. WhiteIbanez

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    Guys are out there trying to earn a job. I wouldn't expect him to pull up and not hit the guy. If a player on our defense didn't hit someone I would be pissed.
    It's not like it was a clothesline or a punch to the face. It was a helmet to the thigh pad and a follow through with the body. Keller planted simultaneously.
    I doubt Swearinger planned for all those variables and hoped that Kellers knee would buckle.
    I guess I just come from old school football where a defensive player was allowed to be tough and aggressive.
    If this was one of our safeties who made that tackle the majority of Dolphin fans would show their support I bet.
    I just don't see how all the whining is justified. I've seen much, much worse.
     
  24. unifiedtheory

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    This is Roger's league, this is what he wants.

    The funny part is, this will start a new wave of law suits when enough guys end up walking the rest of their lives with limps.

    Roger is running a league and a sport, a physical sport, through the looking glass of the law and the fear of law suits. I understand his fear, he has a pile of ex-players, who knew DAMN WELL what they were getting themselves into filing lawsuit after lawsuit for getting injured doing the job they were compensated for and knew the dangers of.

    Every job has risk, 99.9% of them are not compensated for like professional athletes. Don't want to take on the risk? Find another line of employment. Wait, you want to be paid like a professional athlete but not take on the risks involved? Better start buying lottery tickets.

    I have no time for this ****. I understand that concussions are a fear and we still don't know enough about the long term effects of repeated concussions. That said, I've heard COUNTLESS times over the last week players say "I'd rather get hit in the head than in the knee". Goodell did not consult with players, he consulted with lawyers.

    For me it's simple. Instead of fines bring in suspensions (with the corresponding pay loss) for hits to the head BUT bring them in sensibly, don't fine everyone for everything. Don't change the sport over a weekend. If it's a football play and someone gets hit in the head, so be it. Use judgement. Let players PLAY and TACKLE. Bringing in better fundamentals would help, that involves grass roots and lot's of money.

    Also, make players sign an iron clad waiver. You want to sign this 6 year - 100 million dollar contract with 40 million in guaranteed money? You waive the rights to sue us in 30 years because you have taken 100 blows to the head that have caused dementia.
     
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  25. DOLPHAN1

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    absolutely, I expect him to hit him. hit him and wrap him up and tackle him, not throw himself low leading with his helmet and head down and arms to his side. had no intention of tackling Keller. not saying he was trying to intentionally hurt him but he certainly wasn't trying to tackle him either. He was/is reckless endangering not only the opponent but himself as well. that play could have equally hurt Swearinger too and the likely outcome of that would have been a lot more severe in my opinion.
     
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  26. ToddPhin

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    A. You completely avoided my question.

    B.
    This is NOTHING like old school football. How do you consider targeting low as = aggressive & physical? If anything it's void of physicality. It's weak. Old school defenders were MUCH tougher than these whiny pu**ies. They actually TRIED to tackle players, and if they couldn't do so on their own merit they got run over and knew that they'd get run over. Now THAT'S physical.

    C.
    The ones who are whining are the ones like yourself who think defenders need special privileges to bring down ball carriers.

    D.
    Aggressiveness can be defined in many ways when it pertains to football.. some good, some bad. The definition in Swearinger's case involves reckless aggression- the type of action that is more prone to hurting or harming oneself and/or others. A defender can just as assertively meet the ball carrier with a strong head-up/wrap-up hit to the midsection. If a safety gets run over by a tight end while attempting an assertive, head-up, wrap-up tackle, it does NOT make the play or the safety's attempt any less physical or aggressive in nature. It only makes his attempt unsuccessful, and there's no law in football that says the defensive back has to be successful every try. :wink2:
     
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  27. ToddPhin

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    ... and what about the players like Keller who don't want to lose their jobs b/c of reckless, needless hits like these?
    If Swearinger can't do his job w/o playing recklessly then he doesn't deserve a job in the NFL, period. He can find another job. And who said anything about pulling up and not hitting Keller? Are those the only two alternatives- pulling up... or dropping your eyes and launching low with your arms by your sides? Gimme a break dude. Are you telling me a person making 875k per year shouldn't have to be concerned with the execution of his trade, you know- like an NFL defender actually learning how to tackle? GTHO
     
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  28. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    Your gawd damn Skippy!!!



    And it ain't peanut butter!!!
     
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  29. MrClean

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    The knee is so near the thigh how could anyone have tunnel vision to the degree that they could see the thigh clearly and not see the knee at all?
     
  30. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    Ok, Mr. Old School Football, watch that video phinsational posted of Csonka. How many times do you see those old school players leading with their helmet on a ball carrier's or receiver's knees?
     
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  31. WhiteIbanez

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    That is such a blanket statement. Calling NFL defensive players these day soft because of how they tackle is weak. Did you see Bobby Wagner get that penalty tonight? He led with his shoulder.
    I'm not sure you are allowed to hit anyone moving out as a LB or a defensive player if the offensive player is already engaged.
     
  32. WhiteIbanez

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    Zonk would be penalized these days if he led with the hat, But everyone got out of his way.... Understandably. :lol:
     
  33. WhiteIbanez

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    [video=youtube;CtcQqwpCFJ4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtcQqwpCFJ4[/video]

    This defines a dirty hit.....
     
  34. ToddPhin

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    yup, it was needless to throw Bradshaw on his head like that and risk injury....... just as it was unnecessary for Swearinger to target a defenseless player low and risk injury when he could've easily tackled him without doing so.
     
  35. WhiteIbanez

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    I'm wondering if we don't make the playoffs this season are you going to still be making it about the Keller injury.
    Honestly it seems as if this might be your angle in the long run. Just asking buddy.
     
  36. PhinFan1968

    PhinFan1968 To 2020, and BEYOND! Club Member

    Do you think losing Keller won't have an impact?
     
  37. WhiteIbanez

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    I would love to entertain the idea of how I could change it.
     
  38. ToddPhin

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    I know right, cause the angle about avoiding needless injuries and defenders learning how to tackle properly is sooo preposterous. You caught me. Glad you saw right through it. :up:
     
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  39. DOLPHAN1

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    WAIT!! is that a flag thrown by the refs at Bradshaw's feet? hmmm
     
  40. Rhody Phins Fan

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    I have no doubt that he was looking at his legs but I'm not sure how somebody can state that he was staring directly at his knee the whole time. It looks ot me that he planned on taking out Keller's legs and it was just terrible timing because of how Keller's foot was planted. I agree that it was a dirty hit but am wary about saying that there was intent to injure.
     
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