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Trade Deadline Discussion (NOV 2/ 4PM)

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Pennington's Limp Arm, Oct 21, 2021.

  1. texanphinatic

    texanphinatic Senior Member

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    He's been cut twice now in like the past 3-4 weeks. He's just not good.

    If the DVP to Colts isn't legit, I'd be on the horn seeing what the Raiders may give for him. Hell, I'd see if they want Waddle for the right price.
     
  2. Galant

    Galant Love - Unity - Sacrifice - Eternity

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  3. Destroyer

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    That Salads guy wasn't legit? I am shocked!
     
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  4. Deus ex dolphin

    Deus ex dolphin Well-Known Member

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    Wait, the Dolphins roster was built to win now?? If Grier and Flores REALLY believe that.... we are worse off than I imagined.
     
  5. Galant

    Galant Love - Unity - Sacrifice - Eternity

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    It's the thought that counts.
     
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  6. Striking

    Striking Junior Member

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    If they had beaten the Raiders, Jags and Falcons potential playoff position would be a possibility. Unfortunately they didn't and look to be on their way to surrendering a top 5 pick to Philadelphia. Holding on to veterans now is all about job/face saving.
     
  7. OwesOwn614

    OwesOwn614 Well-Known Member

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    Good news, bad news, I guess. Bad news is that with our roster (which I'd still suppose is a top-10 roster), the problem has to be coaching. The good news is that because our roster has talent (I think), we should easily be able to land one of the best coaching candidates to replace Flo. And with the talent AND available salary cap space, Grier's replacement should be one of the best, too. Unless Ross's main criteria for the GM candidates is who will be willing to mortgage the future to land Watson.
     
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  8. KeyFin

    KeyFin Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I hope you're right, but I have a feeling that many won't want to come to Miami given all the turnover. It starts with the right GM with the right type of reputation.

    I really just wish we could fire Ross- I have a feeling that would change the culture more than anything.
     
  9. Vertical Limit

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    How can you look at our roster and say its top 10… what in our offense and defense says top 10.. we are untalented
     
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  10. mlb1399

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    The fact that Grier believes they have the roster to win now tells me now that he’s the biggest moron in the NFL. So if you’re in win now mode and you’re 1-7, make some moves to help this team block and get pressure on the QB.

    If you’re 1-2 years away, get rid of guys who won’t be around for that run(Howard, Parker).

    This also tells me that Ross must have given them the word that their jobs are secure through next year. Which means we’re probably 4-5 years away now.
     
  11. OwesOwn614

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    Ross is what might give quality candidates pause. I would question whether he'd hold to a promise to give the new GM complete control because I don't think he can help himself.

    I thought so at the beginning of the season, so I think so now. Personally, I don't think it's a stretch to suggest that this has been the worst-coached year since I've been a fan (1971). When I watch the games, our deficiencies seem less to be due to talent but how we're using/not using it. It's inexplicable. I wonder why somebody does some boneheaded thing or another on literally every play; even the successful ones. It's not because they're untalented or stupid. It's because the coaches suck *ss and never learn from what worked/failed before. I wanted to throw something through my TV screen earlier today when a video of a smiling George Godsey popped up on YouTube. I know it's just his nature, but that dude has no reason to smile or be optimistic. Nobody in Miami Gardens does.

    But that's just my opinion.
     
  12. texanphinatic

    texanphinatic Senior Member

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    Apparently OBJ showed up to practice and the Browns told him he was excused and to go home. Dude might be done in Cleveland. Why the hell didn't they trade him lol, what a mess.
     
  13. OwesOwn614

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    Inside story of why the Houston Texans didn't trade quarterback Deshaun Watson, what's next
    4:46 PM ET
    Sarah BarshopESPN Staff Writer

    HOUSTON -- A day after the NFL trade deadline, with quarterback Deshaun Watson still on the Houston Texans roster, general manager Nick Caserio said the situation hasn't been a distraction in the building.

    But on Wednesday morning, much of Caserio's 27-minute news conference was taken up by questions about Watson's future with the franchise, trade discussions with the Miami Dolphins that fizzled out and the "serious" legal situation that Watson is in.

    "I don't really want to comment on something that is out of my control," Caserio said when asked if he believed Watson's legal situation made a trade more difficult to complete. "So, again, we just take it one step at a time and take the information as it comes and try to make good decisions the best we can. In the end, it wasn't a trade that came to fruition."

    The Texans cannot trade Watson now until the start of the new league year on March 16, 2022, but there are several complicating factors that could prevent a trade from being completed.

    On March 16, 2021, one day before the start of the 2021 NFL year, the first of 23 civil lawsuits was filed against Watson accusing him of sexual assault and inappropriate behavior during massage sessions. There are currently 22 active lawsuits as one was dropped after a judge ruled in April that plaintiffs needed to amend their petitions to disclose their names.

    Two months before the first lawsuit was filed -- and less than six months after Watson signed a four-year, $156 million contract extension that would keep him in Houston through the 2025 season -- the quarterback asked for a trade. According to ESPN's Adam Schefter, Watson was unhappy his input wasn't considered in the hiring of Caserio.

    Caserio and coach David Culley insisted in their news conferences before the lawsuits against Watson were filed that the former first-round pick out of Clemson would not be traded. However, that discussion shifted after the allegations against Watson came to light.

    Once Caserio began having conversations about the possibility of trading Watson, the general manager made it clear he would only move on from the quarterback for the right offer, sources told ESPN. Schefter reported in September that Caserio was looking for a package of six players and draft picks from teams interested in acquiring Watson.

    There were a handful of teams interested in the weeks after Watson's desire to be traded became public, including the Dolphins, Denver Broncos, Carolina Panthers, San Francisco 49ers, Philadelphia Eagles and Washington Football Team, sources told ESPN. But once teams became aware of the lawsuits filed against Watson, several declined to pursue the trade further.

    In the two weeks before Tuesday's trade deadline, there were reports out of Houston a deal with the Dolphins was close. But on Wednesday morning, Miami general manager Chris Grier called "90 percent" of the rumors false.

    "We never got to a point where anything was going to be realistic in terms of happening," Grier said. "It was still us just doing our due diligence, just talking through things. We never got to a point where anything was that close to happening."

    While the Dolphins were interested in Watson, owner Stephen Ross wasn't comfortable going forward with it, Schefter reported Tuesday. On Tuesday night, Tony Buzbee, the attorney for the 22 plaintiffs, told Fox 26 in Houston there was a "pretty tough effort to try to settle" the lawsuits before the trade deadline.

    According to Schefter, Texans chairman and CEO Cal McNair privately told people he wanted the team to separate from Watson before the trade deadline, but he ultimately left the decision up to Caserio.

    Grier said Wednesday he didn't want to get into the specifics of trade offers with other teams, but a team source told ESPN the Dolphins weren't willing to guarantee all three first-round draft picks Houston wanted the package for Watson to be built around.

    A no-trade clause in Watson's contract extension, signed in September 2020, limited Caserio while looking for a trade partner. In fact, Watson would only waive his no-trade clause for the Dolphins, a source told ESPN. The Texans and Panthers did not get very far in trade talks, a source said, because Watson had not agreed to be traded to Carolina.

    Last week, NFL commissioner Roger Goodell told reporters the league didn't have enough information about the lawsuits to make a decision on potential discipline for Watson. The information they did have wasn't enough to place the quarterback on the commissioner's exempt list.

    If Watson is put on the list, he would be paid -- as he is now -- but not allowed to practice or play. Because Goodell didn't put Watson on the exempt list, the Texans are carrying him on their 53-man roster and making him a healthy scratch on game day. Watson gets a $620,000 game check each week even though he is deactivated.

    If the Texans trade Watson before June 1, Houston would take on $16.2 million in dead money on their 2022 salary cap. If the trade happens after June 1, there would be $5.4 million of dead money against the cap in 2022 and $10.8 million the following year.

    Even before Watson was accused of sexual assault and inappropriate behavior, it was going to be a challenging task to trade the 25-year-old franchise quarterback because of his contract. Along with the dead money the Texans would have to eat because of the guaranteed money and the $27 million signing bonus, acquiring Watson would have the potential to decimate an interested team's draft capital and pool of young talent, considering what Houston would have wanted in return.

    What's next?
    If the civil cases were to go to trial, the earliest it could begin is in early May. According to the agreed-to case docket, a status conference would be set for May 2, 2022, and the court would set a trial date.

    Even if Watson and the 22 women were able to settle the civil lawsuits, Watson could still face criminal charges. Ten women have filed complaints with Houston police against Watson, his attorney Rusty Hardin told ESPN's John Barr in July. According to Hardin, eight of them are among the women who have filed suits against Watson; two have not sued the quarterback.

    Of course, if there are criminal charges filed against Watson, the Texans won't receive the value Caserio was determined to get. But given Houston's insistence of not accepting a conditional pick, that's clearly a risk the front office is willing to take.

    While a lot will depend on whether there are criminal charges and/or the lawsuits are settled, there is a huge difference in keeping Watson on the roster in 2022 if a trade is not made. In 2021, the Texans are paying Watson a base salary of $10.54 million. In 2022, they would be paying him $35 million.

    ESPN's Marcel Louis-Jacques contributed to this story.
    https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id...-texans-trade-quarterback-deshaun-watson-next
     
  14. Daytona Fin

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    Sounds like they are 90% sure they want to move on from Tua.
     
  15. OwesOwn614

    OwesOwn614 Well-Known Member

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    Regardless of whether we keep Tua, I'm pretty done with Flo and Grier. Don't they own his acquisition and lack of development?
     
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