I could definitely see a scenario in which we trade down. Especially, if the FO have their sights set on someone like Weatherspoon. I'm not against it necessarily, assuming McClain is gone by #12. But, if McClain is still there and we don't take him, I'll be extremely disappointed.

 

I'd love to pick up an extra second round pick.

 

I think it all just depends on who's on the board, and how the FO sees a potential pick fitting into their draft strategy/team scheme vs. falling back and gaining another pick in a later round. That's a overly simplistic view, I know. But, at the end of the day, that's what it all comes down to IMO.

I will say this though, even though I think this FO is more motivated to trade down than to trade up, if their guy is there, I think they're gonna pull the trigger.

 

Most years I would agree, not this year though, there is some elite talent at the top of this draft that atleast one will fall to us. Stay where we are IMO

 

If the player we want is there, we take him. We need linebackers, badly! Dez wouldn't dissapoint me either, but I can also see the wisdom of working the phones. If there is one area I think our coaching/managing staff is weak on it's making deals.

 

how can you possibly judge that without knowing what deals are available to be made?

 

Absolutely believe that we will trade down ... doubt it will be all the way to #20 though ...

Goal would be to pick up another late 2, early 3d round pick - and still be able to get one of our targets in rd 1 -- just like last year with Smith.

It will come down to who is still there - and what is being offered. I do believe McClain will still be there at 12 ... 20 though is probably pushing it. Don't think we'd drop more than 4 slots to 16 and still have a shot at him and pick up a 3d.

 

It was just an opinion, I'm pretty stoked with the people we have in place. And you're right, there has to be a deal worth taking before even considering a scenario. Guess I could've worded that better?

 

i thought this f.o made a heck of a deal to bring in fasano and ayodele(sp)from dallas for a fourth.also thought they made a good deal in trade for satele and that lil back we sent to philly.i didnt care for some of the money deals handed out to some players but overall as far as the draft deals go im fairly pleased.

 

Those were good starts, truthfully it's hard to deal when the cupboard was as bare as the one they inherited... I think to start the only way to establish any credibility is to draft well then as those picks mature they become valuable assets to not only our team but others which in turn inspires deals. Yes?

 

This year is definitely a good year to have multiple 2nd rounders. However, one of our 2nd rounders last year and our 3rd round pick sure haven't added up to much thus far.

How different would the 2009 Dolphins been had they selected Clint Sintim and Jared Cook as opposed to Pat White and Patrick Turner?

 

And I couldn't disagree with you any more with the Akin
situation.Great person but doesn't belong starting

 

Or being pro active and moving up the few spaces ahead of White to grab a pro bowl free safety with 9 interceptions this his rookie season

 

personally, I would rather have Graham or E Thomas at around 20 then Ro McClain at 12.

 

J Gresham makes sense for us he fills a need and this is a deepish draft for OLB/DE types.

Imho Jason Worilds at #43 could be as good as Graham at #12, Austen Lang with our #4 pick could be a really good NFL player as well.

But in this draft, Jermaine Gresham uniquely fits our needs and draft position.

 

As always, the problem with moving down is in having another player at your spot that another team covets. Who at 12 would that be? If its Bryant or McClain we just pull the trigger on them and be happy. If they are both gone, who might still be around that a team needs that may not be around later?

Im having some trouble seeing anyone in particular. Texans going after Spiller maybe, but imo they need a short yardage back more than Spiller - like a Toby Gerhart in the 3rd. First round I think they need to look at defense, either the line or backfield.

Joe Haden falling to us may be the most beneficial - either the Titans or Falcons could really use him.

I dont see anyone else trading up to get Pierre-Paul, I think hes overhyped.

 

You list out some of the biggest reasons people wont trade - there are lots of players out there. So what if you dont get JPP, you wait and get Kindle, Graham without having to give up another pick in the process.

I dont see anyone trading up for a WR, OL or DL personally.

Clausen and Bradford will be lucky to make it out of the top 5, let alone till 12. If they do, I have seriously overestimated the ability of multiple NFL franchises.

Every people love to talk about trading down, and it usually never happens. Im just not seeing all that many people who are so head and shoulders above the rest that teams will throw picks at us.

Maybe it happens, I bet not.

 

idk guys
you are all being very hateful on 2 guys that were ROOKIES!!!!
Pat White has a lot of potential if he can just get his hand around the BALLLL
but look what he did against NE, there is potential, it has to all come together, but once it does he provides a great threat on the field

Patrick Turner - he is a 1st year receiver who once again, is a 1st year receiver
Receivers are the rawest talent coming out of college, i have no idea why,I guess all they do is run flies or just circles around inferior cb's, but they gota start to learn better route running skills in college, its baffling!
but he just like every other prospect has route running problems that comes with time and learning

give them time, next year if you see absolutely noooo progression, then yes u can panic and freak out, but until then....

 

First, welcome to the site sergiomiguel2. Good to have you on board. BTW, I read your thread re; McClain, and I thought you asked some pretty thought provoking questions. :up:

But, and with all due respect...who said anything "hateful" of Pat White and Pat Turner here? I re-read the whole thread and saw nothing hateful. One poster simply questioned how those two picks might have been better invested. And, I think that's a totally reasonable point of view.

Am I missing something?

 

O yea good point
I probably should appologize for that
I just keep reading everywhere...well besides here haha about how they are busts and how they were wasted picks...I kinda expressed my feelings without saying that

my bad

 

No worries...it's all good bro. And again...welcome to the site. :knucks:

 

I heard somewhere there's likely to be more trades this draft because of it spanning three days (more time to negotiate deals).

Actually BR, I think we traded up to get Smith. :headscratch:

 

Trade downs are always a nice scenario but seem to rarely happen for us. The best scenario for a trade down IMO is a situation like claussen or Bradford falling out of the top ten and then a team like Minnesota or Arizona looking to trade up for a qb to groom or replace an existing qb. The other scenario that would encourage a trade up is a DE or LT slipping a but further then expected. I think those guys that play the premium positions seem to be most often worth the additional cost in money and picks and the easiest to justify.

 

I agree on the trade down problems. Every year so many just say trade down and get more picks. It does rarely happen especially with us. Just as many want to get extra picks..just as many don't want to give up picks. Unless someone falls to us that noone would have dreamt being there...we might just jump on that guy because he is that good.

 

I realize beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but I think at least half those guys wouldn't be worth trading up for and could be had mid to late first round.

You're still going to have to pay a decent amount of money to the #12 pick, not to mention giving up a solid draft pick, so I think a team would have to be absolutely smitten to make any type of major jump. In that case, I'd think you would see more action for the pick for someone of sliding value, like a Haden or perhaps Bryant.

It would be interesting if we consummated a trade for Boldin before the draft, and then saw Bryant slide to 12. That would make for an interesting 10 minutes.