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Training camp bodies who could surprise for Dolphins

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by ATVZ400, Jul 11, 2008.

  1. ATVZ400

    ATVZ400 Senior Member

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    http://www.realfootball365.com/index.php/articles/dolphins/11955
     
  2. finserg

    finserg Well-Known Member

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    Very good read
     
  3. gunn34

    gunn34 I miss Don & Dan

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    I hope he's right about Bess. I would like to see a Steve Smith type WR here.
     
  4. FinSane

    FinSane Cynical Dolphins Fan

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    Yea, seems like Bess is the guy thats this year's diamond in the rough. Im not so sure though anyone else fits that role.
     
  5. PhinsRock

    PhinsRock Premium Member Luxury Box

    Nice read, hope all of them work out for us. We need some of these types to turn into solid players for us so we can focus on the skill positions in the next draft.
     
  6. Skeet84

    Skeet84 New Member

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    great read!
     
  7. texasPHINSfan

    texasPHINSfan New Member

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    my only concern is that which the article pointed out.... is Bess really that good, or just the rest of our WR roster that bad? A roster spot could be earned here that might not be earned on many other teams b/c our corps is so poor. it's all relative.

    also, no talk of Scorpio? :tongue:
     
  8. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    Titus Brown seems to be one of those players who are an enigma, he ran 4.66, was productive in College, yet not a single team spent even a 7th round pick on him?

    Brown compares well to Quentin Moses, and he as the first pick in the third round two year ago, I wonder what gives with Brown?

    As for D. Bess..I'm burnt out on hyping long shot Wr in Miami, he could be Wes Welker Jr, or he could be Kerry Reid, but either way...the long shot that has my attention is Jayson Foster, 4.2, College Qb who made plays in every roll in college from Wr to Qb to Running Qb, I'd love to see him make it in Miami, I can remember Dante Hall and Gerald McNeil making huge impacts in the return game..
     
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  9. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

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    I doubt Bess is going to make the team.

    Jayson Foster looks like a player who can make a difference.
     
  10. texasPHINSfan

    texasPHINSfan New Member

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    i think Bess has a good shot of making the team. This isn't a team like Arizona or Detroit that is fat at the WR position. Due to how poor our WR corps is, i think he has a good shot.
     
  11. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    You could be right, I think one makes the roster, the other the practice squad, Bess is a more polished Wr, so he has a better shot at making the roster.

    You can't ignore 4.2 though, Foster may not play very long, players that small have a tough time sticking long term, but in those 4 or 5 years we could see some things....:hi5:
     
  12. texasPHINSfan

    texasPHINSfan New Member

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    speed can get you in the door, but a complete package and/or polished skills will keep you there.

    Foster could be the fastest guy in the world.... if he can't run solid routes, remember the playbook, or make the plays when needed, the speed won't help ;)

    (*disclaimer: i'm not saying foster can't do those things.... i'm saying for the sake of argument, speed will only get you so far *)
     
  13. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

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    The thing with Bess is can he play special teams? Kircus and Camarillo can play special teams. Is Bess THAT much better than Kircus and Camarillo to take up their roster space.

    Foster is freakishly fast and can be used in the return game. If he can tackle at all, he can be a flyer on punt team as well.

    Right now Miami has 3 guys who potentially are the top 3 recievers. 4 and 5 need to be able to play on special teams. Can Bess play special teams? That is the question. It is my opinion that to make the team he is going to either have to dominate and beat out Hagen or be a beast on special teams.

    Also if Foster shows a little too much flash he might not make it through waivers and practice squad. Bess seems like a guy you can store there easily.
     
  14. The Aqua Crush

    The Aqua Crush New Member

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    I'm intrigued about Titus Brown, I hope he plays with a chip on his shoulder. Great read
     
  15. padre31

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    Well, the thing to keep in mind is Wilford is not known for his health, he played last year with a bad knee or ankle, chances are good he will suffer an injury this year as well, so we will need a back up Wr who can play Wr in the Nfl Foster is just so green, he may lose out to Devone Bess just do to lack of experience at Wr.

    Hagan did play ST last season, Camarillo did as well, but IMO, Greg's ceiling may be too low to make it this season, I'd love to see him stick though.

    Foster will have to be as good if not better then Ginn at kick returns to stick and play, Bess though, if he has a nose for the 1st down marker and a knack for getting open, we can keep Ginn on KR duties, so unless Foster can really show some talent in KR, or Bess is a flop, it looks like Ginn, Hagan (maybe) and Wilford, otherwise Bess takes Hagan's spot, and is the 3rd Wr.

    Unless of course Foster shows more at Wr then we know...
     
  16. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

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    Bess is going to have to show a lot. He was not drafted for a reason.

    If Wilford goes down I see Miami bringing in one of the more veteran recievers that is going to get cut
     
  17. texasPHINSfan

    texasPHINSfan New Member

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    you guys both make excellent points.... can bess play ST? and were hagan & camarillo that good on ST, or were they just used because they were serviceable bodies and we had no one else?

    honestly this will all just have to pan-out during camp i guess. unfortunately none of us can really speak unequivocably on any of that. I'd rather have a GREAT wr on the team and a GREAT ST'er as two different bodies than ONE spot given to a guy who does both average.
     
  18. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

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    Who has great WR on the 4th and 5th spot?

    Plus it was that thinking that allowed Miami to have one of the worst Special teams in the league last year.

    Camarillo is good on special teams. It was the main reason he became a Dolphin.
     
  19. texasPHINSfan

    texasPHINSfan New Member

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    i don't understand what you're saying..... which leads me to believe you didn't understand my post. what i was saying is i'd rather have specialists rather than "tweeners". we definitely did not have specialists last year, and what i was saying i think had little to do with why our ST sucked so bad last year. i attribute that to poor coaching and poor talent.
     
  20. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

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    I am saying that basically trying to upgrade the bottom of the roster bye adding players that are slightly better <blank> and not good at special teams really hurt Miami last year. One of the reason Camerallo was added last year.

    Once you are past the starters and main back ups, the rest of the players are going to have to be players who can contribute in many different aspects. In fact that is something Sparano even pointed out in the last article for something he is looking for. So if Foster is not as good of a wide reciever as Bess, however proves to be able to used on special teams as a flyer or punt returns or other guy on kick off returns, the chances of him making the team is greater
     
  21. Crunkcore

    Crunkcore The Crunk One

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    Hopefully someone makes it on to the roster. That would be nice.
     

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