Travaris jackson?

Heard he is heading to Seattle?

 

First Vince Young, now Jackson? If the FO wants to get a QB, then go get one! These guys are bums,

 

It's a tough thing, acquire a Qb who can come in, and on short time learn the offence, and beat Henne, and win ballgames, and not cost a high draft pick.

This is some real muck we are digging through to find one, some reasonable criteria:

60% completions
2 to 1 Td to int's
20 career starts

Hard to find those guys.

 

I know it's a tough task, but why are we thinking about bums? I'm just saying that if the FO wants to bring in someone to compete with Henne, then go get one. VY and TJ are not the long term answer.

 

Who? And that is the thing, I happen to like the job Sparano has done in Miami, also realize the lockout probably saved his job, now the downside to it is upon us, a drought of Qb's who can come in and do the things I mentioned, also do not think Young is a bum, prefer Kyle Orton as he checks every box.

To be as honest as I can be, believe Bulger or Matt Flynn wind up in Miami to challenge Henne, think maybe Drew Stanton is in that mix as well, do not see them making a play for Orton (which is foolish) or Young, acquisition costs are just to high in either draft picks, or downside.

 

Bums? LOL. You got some tough criteria in place for defining a QB as a bum. If VY and Jackson are bums, every single UFA QB we'll have a chance at is too. Tenn had a 30-17 record in games started by VY. Over the last two seasons he has a 2:1 TD/int ratio. His QB ratings have been 82 and 98. He is athletic enough to extend plays with his feet, something Tony has mentioned as a desirable trait. TJack is VY lite physically. He has just a 10-10 W-L record as a starter, but 24-22 TDs to ints. Slightly to the positive with is always better than the alternative. Also TJack is very athletic and mobile, able to run for plus yards when a play breaks down. I'm coming around to Pappy's line of thinking more all the time when it comes to VY. If we ain't gonna trade for another QB, i.e. Orton or Kolb, then VY or TJack are the best choices if we want real comp for the starting QB job. If we are gonna commit to Henne as the 2011 starter and ride that horse sink or swim, then ok sign Bulger as a veteran backup only. Otherwise, I see no better UFA options than VY or TJack.

 

I honestly don't think there's a long term answer available out there atm. The best competition for Henne will be seasoned vets which would only be a temp fix.

I'm with Pads on Orton and Young will be demanding to much compensation to be picked up for us.

 

All free agent QBs have flaws otherwise they wouldn't be available, now when you look at potential no doubt VY even with all his baggage and even if he didn't beat Henne would be a good one to have on the shelf.
You have to think long term.

 

Was disappointed with how Tarvaris played this year when he got a chance. I know there are many that don't like him and I was one of those but then I had watched him the last few years and he was actually kind of starting to look like a real quarterback, through preseason and in some previous regular season experience.

I mean in 2009, Brett Favre had the best year he's ever had, ever. But to assume the 2010 offensive situation was the same would be a mistake, so many injuries and upheaval that way. I mean Brett himself was terrible this year. Tarvaris Jackson also being terrible is just kind of right in line with how terrible Brett was.

But look closer. He had ONE bad game this year. That's not a "bad year". That's one data point. Against the Patriots this year Brett Favre got the Vikings out to a 10-21 deficit, but got the offense to a 1st & 1 on the NE 1 yard line with 7:26 remaining. Favre got knocked out with a cut chin. Tarvaris came in and immediately throws a 1 yard TD pass to Naufahu Tahi and then throws a successful 2-point conversion pass to Percy Harvin to bring the game to 18-21 with 7 minutes left. Unfortunately, the next time he saw the ball, the Patriots offense had managed to make mince meat of the Vikings defense, running 5+ minutes off the clock and scoring a TD to put the thing out of reach 18-28 with less than 2 minutes remaining in the ball game. At that point all Tarvaris could do was advance the ball 30 yards from the 20 to 50 before the final gun.

He as 15 of 22 for 187 yards, 2 TDs and 3 INTs, with 2 runs for 22 yards, against the Buffalo Bills in a 38-14 win...after Brett Favre got hurt on the first series of the game. That was without Steve Hutchinson and Percy Harvin, though Sidney Rice had come back (finally). Tarvaris started the game rough with an interception that Drayton Florence returned for a TD, but then he led his offense to four touchdowns on the next four drives, effectively breaking the game wide open. He led the team on another 62 yard scoring drive before the half, making it 31-7, game basically already over. When was the last time the Dolphins ever did something like that? Jumped out to a huge lead, had the offense operating like a machine, piling on points to where the game was already over at halftime?

The Giants game is when he really wet the bed, 15 of 30 for 118 yards, 0 TD, 1 INT, 4 runs for 8 yards, 4 sacks for -23 yards, in a 3-21 loss. Bad game against a really good defense.

In 2008 & 2009 he was 102 of 170 for 1257 yards, 10 TDs, 2 INTs. That's a 97.6 QB Rating. Toss in 2010 and that's still an 89.0 QB Rating. Nobody is saying the guy is a great prospect to sign that would solve all the Dolphins' problems. That option doesn't really exist. The Dolphins are in a bad situation of their own making. But considering the options being tossed around, he's as good as any of these other poor options, just about.

 

A long term answer isn't really available right now. But that doesn't mean they should ignore players that could improve the position.

 

Tarvaris Jackson was 136 of 228 for 1598 yards, 13 TDs, 6 INTs the last three regular seasons, with 50 runs for 198 yards. That's a QB Rating of 89.0. He was 50 of 84 for 565 yards, 5 TDs, 0 INTs in the last three preseasons, with 10 runs for 55 yards. That's a 99.6 QB Rating.

Nobody is calling the guy perfect or even "good". But what are the options here? He's a former 2nd round pick, just like Chad Henne. You can say Tarvaris has had 5 years to show his stuff and he's yet to do so whereas Henne's only had 3 years. Well, that's certainly true enough. But a 95 QB Rating on 226 pass reps in his 3rd season (as opposed to Henne's 75 QB Rating on 561 pass reps in his 3rd season) was answered with the addition of the most prolific passer in NFL history for the next two years, forcing Tarvaris into a situation where he would get a total of 95 pass reps over the two seasons due to Favre's presence.

It would be foolish to think the Vikings aren't "going a different direction" from Tarvaris at quarterback for a reason, but no more foolish than counting on Chad Henne to "take the next step".

 

I'd rather just sign Tito Jackson.

 

Brian Briggane made a blog post about Tarvaris Jackson by the way.

http://blogs.palmbeachpost.com/thed...varis-jackson-be-a-qb-candidate-uh-no-thanks/

I found Briggane's blog post to be lacking. He seems to insinuate that he's among those that "followed [Tarvaris'] career" in Minnesota. I don't know if that's really true just from the way he wrote what he wrote. Maybe it is. But there were three statements that jumped out at me as questionable:

1. "The Vikings rarely asked Jackson to throw the ball downfield..." Over the last three years, Tarvaris threw 10% of his "aimed" passes 20+ yards down the field. That's not a particularly low or a particularly high percentage. When Brett Favre had the best statistical year he's ever had in 2009, he threw 20+ yards downfield about 11% of the time. About 35% of his aimed passes went 10+ yards down the field. Well, about 36% of Chad Henne's aimed passes went 10+ yards down the field in 2008 to 2010. Truth is, this just seems like a bogus statement from Briggane.

2. "...and he has a reputation of being poor at hitting receivers on routes of 10-15 yards." I don't know about "reputation". He could be right. Not trying to take anything away from Briggane on that one, that could absolutely be what "they" say up in Minnesota. But it would have been nice if Briggane would have done even some cursory checking to see if the reputation is deserved. Over the last three seasons Jackson has completed 56% of his passes at distance of 10 to 19 yards down the field. Chad Henne has completed 60% of his passes at that distance. Is that margin more about Tarvaris Jackson being "bad" or Chad Henne being "good"? Or is it insignificant altogether? The ultra accurate Chad Pennington completed only 58% of his passes at that depth in 2008, when he was runner-up for league MVP voting. Roethlisberger completed 59% at that distance the last three years. Jay Cutler completed less than 55% of those passes the last three years.

3. "That’s where both Davone Bess and Brandon Marshall usually wind up making their catches, not to mention TE Anthony Fasano." This is where Brian really drops the ball. He should know that Brandon Marshall and Davone Bess have been short specialists in their respective careers, getting lots of RAC on short passes. Marshall adds the dimension of the long ball because he's so big and strong and fast, but he's not nor ever has been an intermediate specialist. Let's let the numbers speak for themselves. The last three years only 99 of the balls thrown at Davone Bess have been 10+ yards down the field, with only 53 catches. That means he was thrown at 205 times with 159 catches, at distances of less than 10 yards down the field. The same is true of Marshall, with 256 of his attempts and 203 of his catches coming at less than 10 yards downfield as opposed to 202 attempts and 88 catches at 10+ yards. I mean, Briggane's statement is just flat inaccurate. No other way to put it. Flat inaccurate.

4. "Conjure up an image of Jackson and it’s probably one of him running around and breaking tackles. While he’s good at that, the Dolphins prefer their running backs do the running, not their quarterbacks." At this point in my opinion, this is where Briggane's piece becomes a joke. Tarvaris Jackson only scrambled for positive yardage the last three years on less than 7% of his dropbacks. That's less than Aaron Rodgers. To sit here and try and act like Tarvaris Jackson would be a significant portion of the Dolphins' rushing attack is a joke. People act like it's a bad thing when less than 7% of a time, a guy may pull down the ball and run it for 10.6 yards on average. That's what he's done the last three seasons, scrambled 20 times for 212 yards. That's not a bad thing, it's a good thing.

 

If the Dolphins really want to push Henne, go get Orton, Bulger or even a young guy like Flynn. VY and TJ, are just a waste of time, kind of like when we got that fatass Culpepper. These guys are bums. The Dolphins won't win with them. Hell, even the Vikes gave TJ two chances and they don't see anything in him.

I'm okay with Henne, new coach and new playbook. People on here just want something different, but don't know what they want.

 

Castoffs? Thats the answer to this team's problems!