Anyone else watching?
I stream it at work.
Today the girl travon was on the phone with before he died and a neighbor who alleges that George Zimmerman was on top on Travon, were called to testify.
Also they played tapes of Zimmerman calling police to report suspicious black males in his neighborhood.
DoD you relize these were townhouses? I always thought they were actual homes and the trial was wooded. This all happen by a concrete walkway on a dog path between the back of some townhouses.
Also Zimmerman claims travon had a deadly weapon...the sidewalk.
Just figured this deserves a thread.
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Believe it or not, that is a valid defense.
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For me, he had a legitimate reason for being there, he did not want more houses broken into in his neighborhood, after that he handled it poorly.
A community spirit is a fine thing, but a camera and a firearm is far better then just a firearm, the idea is to protect the neighborhood not to confront directly, that is only in extreme situations. -
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Where we differ I think is the gun. Without the gun, he adheres dispatch and moves on.
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I still say its very likely that Martin was standing his ground.
There should be no reason that if Zimmerman can claim he was standing his ground that Martin couldn't have claimed the same thing. I've yet to be given a reasonable explanation as to how an armed man can shoot and kill an unarmed teenage boy....and its the boy that was the threat. It makes no sense, unless you're looking for a reason to.finyank13 and Stringer Bell like this. -
Or put another way, would it have been reasonable for Zimmerman to believe he very well could die in that situation? -
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Just use logic. We know for a fact at one point Zimmerman chased Martin. That means Martin fled. You don't flee if you're not in fear.WestCoastPhinsFan and Stringer Bell like this. -
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Based on this law, I can attack someone till they fight back and then I can kill them and claim Stand Your Ground. An armed Zimmerman chased Martin. At that point Martin had every right by the law and the way its worded to beat Zimmerman's head against the concrete, because he was standing his ground. If we don't make this about who started it, then whoever is alive at the end is innocent.
Zimmerman was not attacked out of the blue while minding his own business...Martin was threatened while minding his own business though.maynard likes this. -
And keep in mind, Martin may not liked the Zimmerman coming up to talk to him, however there is a perfect right to initiate a conversation with anyone.
All fine, but look at the lesson from the Hernandez charges, a camera is far far more valuable then a firearm at times. -
Oh and BTW, I heard some clips of testimony from the 19 year old girl. No matter what side you are on here, it's pretty clear she is one of the dumbest people on the planet
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Let's also not forget, that Zimmerman was operating under the unfounded assumption that Martin was a criminal. He inferred that in his 911 call. He didn't think he was merely suspicious, he thought he was guilty. That's important because it paints a portrait into Zimmerman's mind that night.
Take it backwards from the shooting until you get to the first questionable or illegal act and that is who is guilty. If you do that, than you realize the first questionable or illegal act was Zimmerman chasing Martin. If Zimmerman stays in his car or doesn't purse, none of this happens. -
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This is what Zimmerman claims happened. If the jury believes this is what happened then he walks and rightfully so. The fact he had a gun is of no consequence because he was legally allowed to have a gun. The same way Martin's Ice Tea was of no consequence... The race baiting, feelings, knee-jerk reactions, media coverage matter not...just like Zimmerman carrying a gun matters not.gunn34 likes this. -
Colorado Dolfan ...dirty drownin' man?
I just want the truth to come out. I'm done with the knee jerk reactions of "racist" and "hoodlum." If Zimmerman pulled his gun first, I hope he fries. If, though, Martin attacked simply because Zimmerman was asking him questions and didn't like it...
Either/or. Truth needs to prevail.
Whichever way it goes, I don't see a happy ending for Zimmerman. One ending is obviously happier, but he'll still be reviled anywhere he goes...Justright likes this. -
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Just giving you testimony from trial.Fin D likes this. -
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He even called on 2 people who one of them was a resident.
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Im not saying Zimmerman is innocent. We are having a trial to decide that. However, in principle, Zimmerman was perfectly within his rights to follow Martin and within his rights to it while armed. He also was not legally compelled to follow the 911 operator's advice.
The question is Did Zimmerman feel his life was in jeopardy when he fired his weapon?Justright, daphins and Colorado Dolfan like this. -
They took the calls from the last six months. I'll try to find link to video later -
Colorado Dolfan ...dirty drownin' man?
Of course, you can argue this is simply semantics... Even then, a 911 operator is not a police officer and doesn't hold the authority as such... So he wasn't told "not to do" anything by anyone in authority.
He had the right to approach and question Martin. If he brandished his firearm, Martin could have, understandably felt threatened and defended himself... Quite rightly, in fact.
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Prosecution has to prove that Zimmerman instigated the physical confrontation. If the don't do that, then you can't put this guy away.
Overzealous yes, foolish...yes, but none of that matters in stand your ground. Who attacked who is what matters.
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I have no real interest in this case other then to finally get the facts about who did what. Then I can form an opinion.Colorado Dolfan likes this.
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