Tua...''He's the greatest prospect ever''

"Fireland wrote:

People are actually arguing about a pro bowl skills competition. Holy ****.

I certainly dont give a shit about that comp most don’t

"Silverphin wrote:

Unless you know dude's BMI, you can't say that.

You can't say that it's a coincidence that he's made it through a full season when his body is one of the things he changed up during the off-season.

First off making him gain weight is a stupid strategy to try and avoid injury, especially when we’re talking about playing this game at the highest level.if you couldn’t see the affects of it in the way he operated than I’m sorry.

2nd he put on more weight imo after the bad weight he gained this off-season. That tells me there is an issue personally with nutrition and discipline

Not saying he’s not a good Qb who can get better, just giving my opinion on a subject that is concerning to me

"Silverphin wrote:

Pro Bowl this, weight that.

All of a sudden, everyone's an expert.

Did you listen to the commentators mocking him and laughing at his weight?

"danmarino wrote:

“You all”… BS

The pro bowl is a popularity contest and means absolutely nothing. I haven’t watched or cared about anything related to the Pro Bowl in decades.
Try again…

Yes, here is another strawman argument. I'm NOT saying that the Pro Bowl means anything.

I'm referencing Tua and his seeming IDGAF attitude about performing well and showcasing his talents.

But sure, let's act like I'm talking about the actual results of the Pro Bowl and affiliated activities.

"resnor wrote:

Yes, here is another strawman argument. I'm NOT saying that the Pro Bowl means anything.

I'm referencing Tua and his seeming IDGAF attitude about performing well and showcasing his talents.

But sure, let's act like I'm talking about the actual results of the Pro Bowl and affiliated activities.

In a casual event that half the QBs won't even show up for?

Yep, I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again…

If Tua walked on water, folks would complain he couldn’t swim.

Let’s see, how has the entire Tua argument gone thus far?

Tua sucks!
He has no weapons

Tua has a weak arm
Leads league in air yards 30+ yards

Tua’s weak and injury prone
Plays complete season injury free

Tua’s fat

You can’t make this crap up! I’m about to go into a self imposed exile due to the utter stupidity and lack of common sense that’s so frequently displayed here.

"Fireland wrote:

People are actually arguing about a pro bowl skills competition. Holy ****.

In their defense Dan Marino cemented his legacy when he hit that last target to rob Steve Deberg back in the early 90s.

"resnor wrote:

Yes, here is another strawman argument. I'm NOT saying that the Pro Bowl means anything.

I'm referencing Tua and his seeming IDGAF attitude about performing well and showcasing his talents.

But sure, let's act like I'm talking about the actual results of the Pro Bowl and affiliated activities.

What? Please try to keep up and for the love of god learn how to use “straw man”.
YOU claimed that everyone was saying the Pro Bowl means something. I was letting you know that you’re incorrect because I don’t think that.

"Tuanon4Life wrote:

In their defense Dan Marino cemented his legacy when he hit that last target to rob Steve Deberg back in the early 90s.

And if memory serves me correctly, that was the 50yard target that he nearly bullseyed to win that competition. That was incredible

"djphinfan wrote:

I certainly dont give a **** about that comp most don’t

BS. Clueless. I clearly explained why it was important, but yeah, just keep ignoring everything and repeating your nonsense. Now, it's just the weight! That's all you can say now. Crazy. ..and I agree about the weight.

"djphinfan wrote:

Did you listen to the commentators mocking him and laughing at his weight?

Most of them were the same people pointing to his injury history. Tua did something about it. And now he's fat.

Heck outta here.

"djphinfan wrote:

First off making him gain weight is a stupid strategy to try and avoid injury, especially when we’re talking about playing this game at the highest level.if you couldn’t see the affects of it in the way he operated than I’m sorry.

He operated by throwing for more yards than he has ever thrown, more touchdowns than he has ever thrown, and with a higher completion percentage he as ever put up, all without missing a single game.

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"The_Dark_Knight wrote:

Yep, I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again…

If Tua walked on water, folks would complain he couldn’t swim.

Let’s see, how has the entire Tua argument gone thus far?

Tua sucks!
He has no weapons

Tua has a weak arm
Leads league in air yards 30+ yards

Tua’s weak and injury prone
Plays complete season injury free

Tua’s fat

You can’t make this crap up! I’m about to go into a self imposed exile due to the utter stupidity and lack of common sense that’s so frequently displayed here.

No one cares dude, if you’re gonna complain because some people have different topics and convictions that are different than what you think is important, then don’t let the door hit ya

The premise for me and why it’s important to me is if my Qb doesn’t give a fuck about his physical condition then why should I, if you think opinion lacks common sense and is ridiculous you just don’t know what your looking at, sorry, we all see football and the players involved thru a different lense

"Silverphin wrote:

He operated by throwing for more yards than he has ever thrown, more touchdowns than he has ever thrown, and with a higher completion percentage he as ever put up, all without missing a single game.

I understand what he did statistically

If that’s good enough for you, if you are good with that version and don’t need to see any more improvement than that’s your opinion not mine

So either we can discuss ways on how he can get better or be truthful with ourselves and acknowledge the fact that the player is relatively way overweight and it’s affecting his movement or, put me on ignore if it bothers you

"djphinfan wrote:

I understand what he did statistically

If that’s good enough for you, if you are good with that version and don’t need to see any more improvement than that’s your opinion not mine

So either we can discuss ways on how he can get better or be truthful with ourselves and acknowledge the fact that the player is relatively way overweight and it’s affecting his movement or, put me on ignore if it bothers you

We can talk about ways he should approve all day. I have never shied away from criticizing Tua. But saying he's overweight despite him taking a step forward statistically and being better about protecting himself I'd hardly being "true to ourselves". It's an opinion at this point.

"danmarino wrote:

What? Please try to keep up and for the love of god learn how to use “straw man”.
YOU claimed that everyone was saying the Pro Bowl means something. I was letting you know that you’re incorrect because I don’t think that.

Sure but that's just another strawman. It's no different than you always referring to those who disagree with you as trolls, but saying you don't mean me. By "you guys" I simply meant the Tua-is-perfect-therem-are-no-shortcomings-in-his-game crowd.

A strawman is a created argument that is different from the original argument, and serves no other purpose than to not discuss the original point, but to divert into other things.

"The_Dark_Knight wrote:

And if memory serves me correctly, that was the 50yard target that he nearly bullseyed to win that competition. That was incredible

Right.

BECAUSE HE CARED.

You can be happy with Tua and the results this season. I respect your opinion.

I'm fine with Tua and his shortcomings, in that I understand it's hard to upgrade...there's only a limited number of options. However, that still means that I believe they should persue every avenue to upgrade.

Honestly, from my perspective, what has driven this argument is that one side refuses to every acknowledge any points made by the other side. People don't feel heard, which leads to these circular arguments.

Like, I was raised to do my best, no matter whether it was soccer practice with my small high school basketball team, or playing in the NBA finals. When I see professionals at an event like the Pro Bowl, an event that exists solely to showcase the talents of the best of the best, and you go out there like that? It bothers me. People paid good money that they work hard for, to see him perform. And he didn't GAF.

"Silverphin wrote:

We can talk about ways he should approve all day. I have never shied away from criticizing Tua. But saying he's overweight despite him taking a step forward statistically and being better about protecting himself I'd hardly being "true to ourselves". It's an opinion at this point.

But I don’t understand what your not seeing..

If I’m willing to bet anything that Tua is at least 245 lbs which is about 25 lbs overweight, how can I not start with his body when we talk about getting better at his position, how can I talk about anything else for that matter if I believe this to be true..?

Everything in my being and from practice professional experience, from actually studying him in camp, and seeing what I saw on the field at the end of the year and on the hard knocks shows tells me I’m right.

I’m so livid about it I can’t focus on anything else team related ,I apologize if it’s redundant but it’s my reality in my field and I wouldnt open my mouth about it unless I believed it 100 percent

Just being honest but it drives me crazy that I’m the only one that is very pi##ed off lol

"resnor wrote:

Right.

BECAUSE HE CARED.

You can be happy with Tua and the results this season. I respect your opinion.

I'm fine with Tua and his shortcomings, in that I understand it's hard to upgrade...there's only a limited number of options. However, that still means that I believe they should persue every avenue to upgrade.

Honestly, from my perspective, what has driven this argument is that one side refuses to every acknowledge any points made by the other side. People don't feel heard, which leads to these circular arguments.

Like, I was raised to do my best, no matter whether it was soccer practice with my small high school basketball team, or playing in the NBA finals. When I see professionals at an event like the Pro Bowl, an event that exists solely to showcase the talents of the best of the best, and you go out there like that? It bothers me. People paid good money that they work hard for, to see him perform. And he didn't GAF.

Baker Mayfield has since come out and said that he and some other NFC QB’s shouted at Tua to stop, which caused Tua to think the activity had ended. Tua then tossed the football to the spotter. Then he realized it was still going and was out of synch.
It really doesn’t matter, but for those that think this means anything, as to the QB’s ability, this should make them think. That’s asking a lot though.

"Sceeto wrote:

BS. Clueless. I clearly explained why it was important, but yeah, just keep ignoring everything and repeating your nonsense. Now, it's just the weight! That's all you can say now. Crazy. ..and I agree about the weight.

Wait what are you talking about clueless? What nonsense ? What am I ignoring ?

"djphinfan wrote:

Wait what are you talking about clueless? What nonsense ? What am I ignoring ?

He’s mad because he hates Tua and thinks he sucks and Tua’s weight isn’t why he played poorly down the stretch. Relatively so…

It’s not that he doesn’t think Tua is overweight, he just thinks it’s an excuse that you’re using because in his vacant head he thinks Tua just sucks. Lol

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"djphinfan wrote:

But I don’t understand what your not seeing..

If I’m willing to bet anything that Tua is at least 245 lbs which is about 25 lbs overweight, how can I not start with his body when we talk about getting better at his position, how can I talk about anything else for that matter if I believe this to be true..?

Everything in my being and from practice professional experience, from actually studying him in camp, and seeing what I saw on the field at the end of the year and on the hard knocks shows tells me I’m right.

I’m so livid about it I can’t focus on anything else team related ,I apologize if it’s redundant but it’s my reality in my field and I wouldnt open my mouth about it unless I believed it 100 percent

Just being honest but it drives me crazy that I’m the only one that is very pi##ed off lol

I understand that different people carry weight differently. However, for me to believe that he's carrying 245 pounds, he'd have to be significantly bigger than our fullback, and I just don't see it.

"resnor wrote:

Right.

BECAUSE HE CARED.

You can be happy with Tua and the results this season. I respect your opinion.

I'm fine with Tua and his shortcomings, in that I understand it's hard to upgrade...there's only a limited number of options. However, that still means that I believe they should persue every avenue to upgrade.

Honestly, from my perspective, what has driven this argument is that one side refuses to every acknowledge any points made by the other side. People don't feel heard, which leads to these circular arguments.

Like, I was raised to do my best, no matter whether it was soccer practice with my small high school basketball team, or playing in the NBA finals. When I see professionals at an event like the Pro Bowl, an event that exists solely to showcase the talents of the best of the best, and you go out there like that? It bothers me. People paid good money that they work hard for, to see him perform. And he didn't GAF.

Are you bothered by the ones who can't be bothered to show up