Tua...''He's the greatest prospect ever''

And it’s really only 2 years Tua has had with McD. How many HC’s did Manning and Elway have before they won a SB? Each had about 4-5 years with the same head coach before they won one SB.

 

On a serious note, burnout isn't good for anyone in any work setting. I also think "hasn't earned the privilege" is a weirdly possessive and entitled phrase to use when referring to another human being.

 

Yeah because Brett Favre was a model of what a straight laced professional athlete embodies. GTFOH, Favre especially was drinking and taking pain killers daily during his Super Bowl run. Point being, these guys are human. Although you seem to show similar dedication by creating multiple burner accounts on here to push an agenda.

 

Tua is in the same category, and neither one should be offered a multi year high dollar contract. For Lawrence let him play out his rookie contract, which includes 2024 as his 4th season and they can exercise his 5th year option for the 2025 season.
And the Dolphins can have Tua play his 5th year option for the 2024 season. If the team performs well they can put the franchise tag on him for the 2025 season.
The bottom line is that there is no good sense reason for the Jaguars or Dolphins to make the same mistake so many other teams have made, which is over paying for the QB position, thereby handcuffing the entire team roster for years to come.

 

"Entitled" is Tua having Jalen Ramsey write "'Pay Tua" on a golf scorecard. Tua has already been paid nearly $30 million during the past 4 years and is due $27 million this coming season, so even though he's already been paid the entitled culture thinks he deserves more than that.

 

Tua's not Brett Favre.
I've registered only the Aquapride name here at ThePhins forum. So, I am not the only one here providing commentary of rational thinking and perspective.

 

Tua is not Peyton Manning or John Elway. Do you watch NFL football games?

 

No. I just come here to bs.

 

Ramsey is entitled to his opinion, just as you are. Your opinion is that Tua has to earn the privilege to live his life the way he wants to, from randos like you and me.

That's just a weird serial killer-ish take, man.

 

Tua's biggest hindrance is his lack of playmaking ability when the play breaks down. I'm a fan of his game but it's an issue. Brock Purdy is a poor man's Tua but he extends plays with his legs which quite often is the difference between 4th and 5 and 1st and 10.

He was asked to bulk up last offseason to be able to take the hits he has struggled taking his entire career. It doesn't matter how good he is if he cant stay healthy.

But was this thought all the way through by our brass? Another obvious adjustment made to mask the bad OL and Tua's durability and a quick passing game. But when any Qb's initial reads are taken away you have to have the athleticism to extend. He didn't last year IMO because he bulked up too much. It's good news that he is now slimming back down because we need a QB who can move the chains when the play breaks down.

My stance on the contract extension is simple. Give him a contact that screams very high paid but has a bit less G-money and team options in the next couple of years.

As much as I believe in the guy and can see his elite traits, I'd grimace in anxiety if I saw any $100M+ guaranteed type of deal.

 

The last word in the English Dictionary I'd use to describe Tua is entitled. But you're certainly entitled to your opinion. I'm not a jealous person. I'll be happy for Tua and his family when he gets his payday.

 

Tua is free to make his decisions and live the lifestyle he chooses. But considering the back-to-back late season collapses of the Dolphins he has not earned the right to ask for a new contract.
If he wants to play golf everyday and have his friends campaign for him to receive a new contract that's his business. But hopefully Ross or Grier or both tells Tua "we already exercised your 5th year option so we'll talk again after the 2024 season".

 

Nobody here said that he was. YOU mentioned Brett Favre as an example of work ethic, 100% committed to football and nothing else type rah rah BS. I simply am telling you that these are human beings. So what if Tua plays golf. Oh and you are FAR from rational thinking. In fact... Anyone suggesting that Cooper Rush or Zach Wilson should be brought in to win us a Super Bowl carries quite possibly a very low IQ around with them. I personally would have to jump off of a tall building, and then land ten feet deep in quick sand to reach the score of anyone suggesting such a ridiculous proposition. I mean it's either that or you're using this account to troll.
I mean Cooper Rush? LMMFAO! COOPER...RUSH. MMMMKAY.

 

I would disagree.

The fact that Tua has been the first Dolphins quarterback to lead them to back to back playoff appearances since 2001, while being tops in the NFL in various passing statistics along the way - I think it's justified.

 

I agree with most of this. However, we will most likely see a contract with $100+m guaranteed. And IMO he’s played well enough in some areas, and elite in other areas, that he should be paid like all other top QB’s.

 

He blames the playoff game loss against Buffalo on Tua… and Tua wasn’t even playing in that game. Some don’t like it when I call some here trolls, but that’s just trolling.

 

Probably the best take I've seen regarding Tua and a new contract. Bravo...

 

Serious question…

Do you know how the franchise tag works when a player is tagged? He is to be paid the average of the top 5 salaries at that position for that year.

Have you seen the catastrophic salaries some of these teams have signed their quarterbacks to? You would rather put the Dolphins in salary cap Armageddon than to sign Tua to a long term, we’ll paid contract that has a significant less salary cap hit than a franchise tag?

 

Well if that is indeed his philosophy, I certainly wouldn’t want him as my team’s general manager. At that rate I’d be able to field a team of 4 or 5 stars and the remaining a bunch of high school kids.

 

He won't get the franchise tag. He'll get extended. I'm pretty confident in that.

This is year 3 in the same offensive system. The first time you could ever say that about Tua throughout his career.

 

I expect that following the 2024 season the Dolphins will not be interested in using on Tua the franchise tag. My take is that the rosters for the 2022 and 2023 seasons were loaded, and with a lesser quality roster for 2024 my best guess is a 8-9 to 9-8 type season.
Following the 2024 season I imagine McDaniel gone, Tua gone, and the start of a tear down-rebuild process.
That said, the 2022 and 2023 seasons were fun to watch. It was obvious the organization went all-in to make something special happen , and I respect them for taking their shot.

 

Good for a laugh, and that's about all. - LOL

 

Try Wonderful, its farther back in the dictionary, and a more accurate descriptor. - LOL

 

LOL

 

Hey, McDaniel, this guy thinks Tua should be making the plays.
Is that true if you send in a bad play? - LOL

 

YES!!!!!

 

Oh good, I won't have to watch and more importantly I won't have to deal with narcissistic gas lighting individuals on sports forums. Glad your crystal ball is working.

 

Seems like the majority here don't watch all the Dolphins games.

A person with a perspective different from yours means that person is a narcissist?

 

The three greatest QBs in my lifetime were Marino, Manning, and Brady. That's just my opinion of course but what did they all have in common? Stayed in the pocket and for the majority of their careers stayed healthy. This whole narrative that Tua needs to extend plays with his legs is a joke to me. I would bet my last dime Tua has been told by his coaches to avoid taking hits. The last thing they want him doing is running around extending plays when we have Mike White and Skylar Thompson in the bullpen. But I don't watch the games so feel free to dismiss anything I say.

 

So you blame Tua for both of the previous years playoff losses because he was playing on a “loaded team” and yet you completely disregard the fact that he didn’t even play in the first playoff game under McD, and the “loaded team” was unloaded at the end of last year due to injuries.

You can’t use the quality of players to bash Tua and then ignore the quality of players to further bash Tua.

Your thinking that Tua and McD will both be gone after next year is comical. With such a negative outlook, not to mention no ability to be objective or reasonable, why do you follow the Dolphins?

 

He was definitely being told to not take a hit last year. In previous years he was running over DB’s.

@Fin-O was partially correct when he said Tua needs to work on what to do when a play breaks down. However, what he’s not considering is Tua was told to get down. Tua had 34 rushing attempts last year compared to Purdy’s 39. It’s not like there’s a huge disparity there. Purdy averaged about 1.5 yards more per rushing attempt. Again, no big difference, and actually it’s just more proof that Tua was being told to get down.

Purdy and Tua are very similar in nearly all facets of the game. One has been to two conference championship games and a Super Bowl and the other has been to one WC game. And that’s not because Purdy is better. It’s because the 49ers have been a more stable franchise over the past 10 years. They’ve had the same HC for 7 years. Purdy fell into that situation.

 

All great questions. I’ve asked him a few times now, but how can you evaluate Tua using other players and say he’s not good enough because he’s been on a “loaded team”, but then completely ignore the fact that the team was decimated by injuries, thus no longer loaded, when they lost their last few games?
And why do people, other than parroting the sports media, think wins and losses are individual stats?

 

You do realize Vegas has the Dolphins opening with 10.5 wins, right? That equates to an 11 season win and if that comes to fruition, the Dolphins will make the playoffs again.

You don’t fire a head coach after 3 consecutive winning seasons with 3 consecutive playoff appearances.

That’s utterly insane.