Tua...''He's the greatest prospect ever''

Yeah, I meant to tell everybody to click and read the entire post. He gets down.

 

I’m sorry, but this still freaks me out. lol.

The little hot one had the same reaction as I. lol.

 

I'd be more than happy if I ended my life on a deserted island with Kay Adams. I could listen to her talk about Tua forever.

 

Good points on both sides here. Consensus is Tua should stay off the field until they can work out his contract.

 

You know, and maybe it’s the conservative in me, but isn’t Tua under contract right now? He’s being paid to do a job. AT&T in the southeast is about to go into contract negotiations for the next contract. I certainly couldn’t say screw it, I’m holding out until we have a new contract…not yet anyhow. Once the company says THIS is our proposal can the union say no and call for a strike.

Have the Dolphins offered Tua a contract for him to even consider? No, they’re still negotiating so as long as negotiations are ongoing and you’re getting paid, get your a$$ out there and play.

 

Its fair game to me for players to use whatever leverage they have. Teams will dump players the moment they aren't worth their contract so its only fair for them to try to get what they are worth. I don't understand why fans don't side with the players given that fact.

But sitting out week 1 is a terrible idea

 

I just hope they sign him soon so this doesn't become a distraction.

 

It's a completely artificial market place. Teams can fire at anytime, Tua cannot quit to work for a competitor, negotiate with other teams, could be traded to another employer, and so forth. Since the 1960s Congress has exempted the NFL from various employment laws.

 

Imagine a QB with zero playoff wins, one full season in four tries, threatening to hold out.

 

If I were Tua, I'd play this season and use all the leverage I could muster to hit the market next season. We need to have things cleared up before the 2025 season because missing him for any time would be disastrous.

The team's options for replacing him will be few. Consider: We're not likely to get a top-10 pick, but even if we do, it means it's time to move on from both QB and coach. And if we're picking in the 20s or later, it'll cost us at least 3 first round picks and additional compensation to move into the top 10. Even then, look at the recent flame out rate for rookie QBs and you'll see that even grabbing a top guy next year might work out as well as drafting Zach Wilson, Trey Lance, Justin Fields, and Mac Jones did for the Jests, Niners, Bears, and Pats.

Trying to get Dak would cost $60+ million to get a guy who comes with the same rep as Tua: Failing to show he can win a big game. Add to that, the fact that the Raiders, Cowboys, and Jests will all likely be bidding for his services, and it's clear that getting him would be a crap shoot.

Tua has leverage now because he's going to have leverage next year and his price is going to skyrocket.

 

I can imagine it doesn't happen.

 

They would just franchise Tua which is the exact reason him and his management wouldn't want to play out this year without a deal.

 

They'd be playing chicken. He has the leverage, even with the threat of the tag, which would cost us $50+ million for one season, BTW. If they franchise him and he doesn't sign, 2025 is a bust because we won't be able to replace him.

In my opinion, there's a zero percent chance that he holds out this season. I think they're going to work out parameters of a deal that makes it easier to cut or trade him after the second year and it'll be signed by the beginning of camp.

With that being said, if he plays without an extension, expect him to miss games due to being hurt, but not injured. Why would he put his future at risk for a team that's trying to (in his opinion) lowball him?

 

If Tua, or any other player was being $27.16 per hour, then I could side with players. These grown men become instant MILLIONAIRES the moment they sign with a team.

It’s a bit difficult for me to have any sympathy for any NFL player, a 22 year old KID who will make more money in his first year playing a game than I will ever make in my entire life.

Sorry, I’m a Tua fan and supporter but any discussion about him potentially sitting out garners zero sympathy from me.

 

And the people paying the bills are billionaires and nobody demands they "honor the contract" of the players they release.

 

I get what you're saying but I have to throw this out there. This is a similar situation to any other union job just with much bigger numbers. Owners making billions vs. players making millions. My company makes millions I make thousands. You mentioned you're union if I read an earlier post correctly. I'm also union proud. We all fight for more money every time our contract expires. A lot of the leverage unions get in negotiations come from precedents set by other unions or companies in the same industry. Some people on the outside look at union members as greedy. It's all relative. I wouldn't say I have sympathy for any multi millionaire but I certainly understand the desire to move with the tide and get the same compensation your peers are getting.

 

Employees are the last ones to benefit from company success. A company can make $20 million in a year, earn $10 million in revenue and pay its 20 employees $50,000 per year. Everybody might be happy with the arrangement. But if the employees do their jobs, management plans things correctly, and things break right, the company might make $30 million. If the employees benefit, it's well after the company/owner/board has collected their profit. And you can bet your a**, the employees might be lucky to get an 8% raise despite the company earning 50% more than it did in the previous year and the suits' income increasing much more in line with the revenue.

They wouldn't pay it if they didn't have it. And they won't pay it unless they have to. I'm in favor of players doing everything they're allowed to do to improve their situation because the team is going to. If that means holding out, then I'm cool with it. We had a long thread about X's holdout and I supported him, even though he signed his deal two years before.

 

Kay Adams is like the fans who think stats are everything, and that's an amateurish take.
The people who truly understand football recognize that Tua's performance , especially during must-win Dolphins games, has been dismal. My guess is that Mr. Ross and Mr. Grier will tell Tua that the team has already exercised their option to play his 5th year for $30 million, and that he should like it and thank them for that money.

 

And Tua then walks, gets a mega deal with another team and we look like idiots. Great plan.

 

You do get why I posted that clip, right?

 

Imagine leaving out half of the content and using team accomplishments in order to make a QB look bad.

 

These players make their bosses billions of dollar all the while ruining their bodies.
Entertainment as a whole is overcompensated when you consider what teachers, military, firefighters, etc make, but it is what it is. Those teachers, military, and firefighters pay for the tickets, buy the jerseys, and support entertainment.

IMO, players deserve more of a cut for the billions of dollars they generate.

 

LMAO!!
You think Mac Jones will overtake Trevor Lawrence and applauded the Jags for picking him up.

 

Those millions are a drop in the bucket compared to the money made by the NFL.

 

Of course he does! Same clown who suggested we sign Cooper Rush to win us a quick, fast Super Bowl.

 

Cool. Now, tell about why darn near every company goes out of its way to make sure its employees are considered "associates" or "part of the team" or in the "family". And thanks for the explanation. I now know why a company can have a record-breaking year for revenue and then ship all of its jobs overseas for even more records thanks to cutting labor by 50%: Because *checks notes* all the employees do is show up.

BTW: Nobody suggested that the owner(s) shouldn't be paid well. But they don't take all the risks and put up all of the *capital*. They borrow what they don't have and have the benefit of bankruptcy protection when things go south. The Dolphins could go belly up tomorrow and Stephen Ross won't miss any meals. The only people who would be hurt by the failure of the franchise would be all of those who do NOTHING but show up.

And if you bothered to pay attention to my post, I didn't say that they shouldn't get paid first, only that wages trickle up only after the people on top get theirs and there's a bigger pie to cut up and that the slice that the employees get winds up being sliced progressively thinner as the pie grows larger.

 

I'm old enough to remember Don Shula being pushed out the door for Jimmy Johnson. I remember Dan Marino being coerced into voiding his contract for the good of the team only to be replaced by Jay Fiedler. Bill Belichick was just let go after winning 6 Super Bowls because he hasn't been a contender for a few years. The second owners have a chance to replace players or coaches with someone they think is better they cut them loose. Owners have zero loyalty to any of the players. So as a player/employee of the team you have to play hard ball and get what you can get while you have the leverage.

 

Yeah, business owners' loyalty is to their own pockets. Employees should keep that in mind and use every tool in the toolbox to improve their own situation. Every four years, we hear candidates talking about bringing jobs back from China. Why are they in China to begin with? Oh, right... Because employees in the US want too much money to do the work. Just like players want too much money to play football or basketball or baseball or soccer or...

They only want it because there's more available than there was before. Between 2018 and 2022, the NFL's revenues increased from $8.78 billion to $18.6 billion. They're ingenious at finding new revenue streams but nobody's paying to see 32 owners play the game and none of them is going broke by owning a team. So the "they take all of the risks" argument is moot in this context.

 

Lots of things in your post that could take weeks, or even months, to cover.

Business owners risk everything. Sure, there are those who are lucky enough to be born into a family where they get to take over a well established business. However, and if you look at 90% of these NFL owners, they’re self made. There’s a few that aren’t.

The players, however, are also marketing their services. They are in essence, their own business. The NFL team owners deserve what they are getting and the players deserve what they are getting. Why? Because their business generates a lot of money.

 

Then I would have to assume the , based on the reasoning you e provided above, the technicians who install your internet services, who scale rickety telephone poles, enduring extreme heat, insects, vermin…who work out in the blazing hot sun bringing the service to your home…who crawl through attics that are health hazards due to insulation and rat droppings…because WE make companies like AT&T billions of dollars per year…

We deserve a greater cut of those earnings…we deserve a salary of $1000 per day? I mean…that’s the logic being proposed here.

 

Yes. Yes they do.

 

That’s not the logic at all. The cable installer works for what they do because the market demands it. They also work for that amount because nearly anyone can do that job. It takes a rare person to play NFL football. If gold grew on trees it wouldn’t be worth so much money. Your typical cable installer grows on trees while your NFL player is the gold nugget.

 

I have no idea how Jones performance will be for the Jaguars, and the only way to learn is if he is given some playing time. The reality is that Lawrence's performance at JAX for the past three seasons has been average and, or inconsistent. If given a shot I expect Mac Jones can do as well or better than Lawrence has done.

 

Probably because you buy the nonsense rhetoric trotted out by the media.