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Tua is not the Problem

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Galant, Nov 6, 2021.

  1. KeyFin

    KeyFin Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    That sounds practical, but that's not how this stuff usually plays out. Just look at Tannehill- I was on the fence for years, saw a genuine superstar at times, and eventually decided he was a bum who didn't belong in the NFL. Then he went to Tennessee and posted the #1 ranking in the league....how does any of that make a bit of sense?

    This debate is eerily similar because everyone has traits they love and/or hate. For instance, Tua will never have a big arm with Tannehill's zip. But he's criticized for that almost daily like his tapes lied to us or something. He also has fantastic pocket presence, and that's enough for some to be all-in...even though they probably shouldn't be. So for him to elevate to the level where he silences the critics, I would think that would almost have to be a Super Bowl MVP type of season. And I'm sorry, I'm just not expecting that.

    What I'll personally be looking at is metrics my brain ties to winning- 3rd down conversions, red zone offense, overall placement/accuracy, etc. I'd also like to see more throws downfield, but I don't think that's as much of a "prove it" stat as others. As long as he's keeping drives alive in the 4th quarter though and we're stacking up the W's, I'm going to be optimistic.

    How can he prove he's not the guy? By winning less than 8 games with a similar level of output from our 2021 defense. Just on that alone, I'll say it's time to move on. We know he can function with a terrible line so even if we get some injuries and the line stinks again, I don't see that as a major excuse anymore. So even if he puts up fantastic #'s but we're a six-win team, I'll probably be ready to move on.
     
  2. OwesOwn614

    OwesOwn614 Well-Known Member

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    Tua got a "meh" Madden rating and I'm cool with it. It's a silly thing to pay attention to, but I think it's safe to suggest that if he can't bump it up to 83 or so in 2023, he won't be under center in Miami.
     
  3. Galant

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    I don't understand the fascination with Madden or 2K ratings. I can imagine the ego factor for players, I suppose. Seeing yourself in a video game. But all the discussion about it? We really are in the dog days of summer.
     
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  4. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    He will be able to bump it up during the season.
     
  5. OwesOwn614

    OwesOwn614 Well-Known Member

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    He'll have the opportunity.
     
  6. KeyFin

    KeyFin Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    That's the thing- we don't have to be the best offense in the NFL in order to win. We just have to be better than average while the defense shuts opponents down. Our defense has always been built to play with the lead and dial up pressure...so that's all we really need, a slight lead so the cover-zero can get to work forcing turnovers.

    If we average 17 points per game, this is probably a 8-9 team. If we average 24 per game, we could go undefeated. That extra little bit of offense makes all the difference in the world when you have this type of defense.
     
  7. resnor

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    That's not a "meh" rating. That's terrible. If he's not a high 80s rating by the end of the year, he shouldn't be posting for Miami in 2023.
     
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  8. OwesOwn614

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    An 81 was good for 15th in Madden. Him getting 83 would make him a borderline top 10 QB. With that being said, he won't be asked to carry the team, so it's unlikely he'll get to high 80s, even with a stellar season.
    Rating (Overall) Player Team
    97 Tom Brady Tampa Bay Buccaneers
    96 Aaron Rodgers Green Bay Packers
    95 Patrick Mahomes Kansas City Chiefs
    92 Josh Allen Buffalo Bills
    90 Joe Burrow Cincinnati Bengals
    89 Dak Prescott Dallas Cowboys
    88 Justin Herbert Los Angeles Chargers
    87 Lamar Jackson Baltimore Ravens
    87 Russell Wilson Denver Broncos
    85 Matthew Stafford Los Angeles Rams
    84 Deshaun Watson Cleveland Browns
    84 Kyler Murray Arizona Cardinals
    83 Derek Carr Las Vegas Raiders
    83 Ryan Tannehill Tennessee Titans
    81 Matt Ryan Indianapolis Colts
     
  9. Galant

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    Are we seriously thinking about judging Tua based on a video game rating?


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  10. Dolphin Dundee

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    Madden is a joke. EA is the laziest greediest video game company ever. They do the bare minimum every year and their ratings are just based on player popularity.
     
  11. OwesOwn614

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    Nah. But Madden ratings are a definite indicator of perception. If he has a low rating, it's because the designers view him as a lower-tier QB. We'll have much more to talk about in a week, but it's still the offseason, so any port in a storm.
     
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  12. The_Dark_Knight

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    I don’t know what that means. I haven’t played video games since Super Mario Brothers with the start up cheat code of up-up-down-down-left-right-left-right-B-A-start for 99 lives
     
  13. Galant

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    Funnily enough, it's the same relevance. Oh, but you'd have more fun playing Mario.
     
  14. Galant

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    Not to mention:




    But sure, let's roll with a video game's ratings.

    The world has gone mad.
     
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  15. Silverphin

    Silverphin Well-Known Member

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    Whoever made this list needs to be drug tested.
     
  16. DOLBET

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    That cheat code is not for Super Mario Brothers, it is for Contra and few other Konami games.
     
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  17. OwesOwn614

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    It's all just chatter. Madden rates Melvin Ingram as our highest rated player. I don't even see him as our best edge. Maybe they're right, but if anybody needs to take offense to essentially nothing, it's Emmanuel Ogbah.
     
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  18. The_Dark_Knight

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    Dude, it IS the start up cheat code for Super Mario Brothers. I had
    a Nintendo in the late 80s when it first came out and if you used that as soon as the game started up, it gave you 99 lives.

    TRUST me on this one.
     
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  19. DOLBET

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    I grew up playing video game starting with Atari (In the early 80's) so trust me that it is not the code for Super Mario Bros. You can get more lives in Super Mario Bros by stomping the turtle in one specific place in one of levels.

    The code you gave is for Contra and few others of Konami games...

    I checked various websites to make sure I am right and all the websites confirmed that there is no codes for Super Mario Bros. There are few if you are using Game Genie but there is no code for 99 lives anyways.

    https://www.gamemite.com/games/super-mario-bros/cheats/
     
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  20. DOLBET

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    Here is the wiki page to the Konami Code and it lists all games that use it. Super Mario Bros is not on it.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Konami_Code
     
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  21. The_Dark_Knight

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    Well if it’s on the internet it MUST be true…never mind the fact I sat right there in the living room floor with my then 7 year old daughter saying saying, “ hey mija, watch this”…and instantly gave her 99 lives so she could keep playing.

    The internet MUST trump real life.
     
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  22. DOLBET

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    I just used the emulator (Mesen) and play the Super Mario Bros and tried to use the code... It doesnt work. I have personally tried it just 30 mins ago to make sure. That code doesnt work with Super Mario Bros because there is NO reason for it to work. The Konami's devs made that code and it is in their games, the Super Mario Bros is not Konami's game, it is Nintendo's game.

    Maybe your memory replaced Contra with Super Mario Bros game? Memory can be weird sometimes, it can be fuzzy or details can be different when it happened long time ago.

    I grew up playing games starting with Atari and are currently playing on newest generation Xbox and computer too. I owned almost all consoles even including Neo Geo. The code was the biggest thing at that time period and everyone know about it. They call it Contra code because Contra is the most popular game that have that code. If Super Mario bros have that code then it would be called Super Mario Bros code.
     
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  23. resnor

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    Yeah it only worked in Konami games. The only way to get lives like that in Mario was to repeatedly jump on a shell that was bouncing off a wall.
     
  24. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    That is the Konami code

    you must be thinking of a different code for Super Mario Bros

    Only thing I remember getting multiple lives in Super Mario Brothers is to continually hit the turtle shell when it is coming down the square mountain at the end of I believe 1-3.
     
  25. daphins

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    U D U D L R L R P L V S is what I remember in Mario for turbo mode…was that game genie?

    Also yeah, crazy amount of lives jumping on the turtle shell on the stairs.
     
  26. Two Tacos

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    Finally get to start seeing how the offseason (both team chages, and his continued rehab/growth)is going impact Tua this year. Thread should get fun again. I am confident Tua is going to make some of our opinions look silly this year. I know the "haters" hope it's theirs -- I think we're all team fans first.

    Here's to seeing plays like this when it matters.

     
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  27. Two Tacos

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    Alex13 in club found a better angle. 60+ yards in the air.

     
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  28. OwesOwn614

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    The Tua debate in a nutshell:


    Dude is imperfect as ****, but that doesn't mean we can't appreciate it when he does something well. He made a pinpoint pass that Waddle caught over X and somebody suggested that (because he's Tua), #25 must be a bum off the street. There's plenty of opportunities to pile on when he messes up, so let's at least save the vitriol for those moments.
     
  29. KeyFin

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    Tua's not "imperfect"...he's perfect for this offense that we're building due to his accuracy. Then again, a lot of other QB's could be "perfect" for this offense as well, just because we've loaded up with all sorts of serious weapons. But Tua is especially perfect because he's also pretty elite at processing the field quickly, looking off his primary target, and getting rid of the ball before he's sacked. Very few pro QB's can do that at Tua's level.

    Is his arm below average in velocity? Maybe. But that's not what this offense is focused on. Heck, he's probably lousy at knitting too...should we start making that a daily talking point? Or should we focus more on what will actually matter- precision throws and yards after the catch?
     
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  30. OwesOwn614

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    I'm trying to stem the divisive talk with mitigating language. I'm a big Tua guy, but I'm worn out on the divide. Perfection is hard to attain, though.
     
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  31. Silverphin

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    The fact that he called Xavien Howard a practice squad DB tells you all you need to know about that guy.
     
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  32. Two Tacos

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    Meh. I am also a Tua guy. If he plays as well as I think he is capable of this year -- I not sure I can contain the smugness. I'm going to be unsuferable. It's been stated as a fact that he cannot do it. Am I not going to pull all the quotes? Crow must not be eaten -- it must be forced fed like we are fattening geese for Foie Gras. I'm so excited for this season. No way way in hell it doesn’t go amazing. You hear me universe? No way in hell!!

    I also stepped away from the thread for a bit, so I'm less worn out. You're probably a better person too. Who can say? Truthfully, I'd probably be too happy to be a rooster about it. I will be posting his stats after big games here though.
     
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  33. OwesOwn614

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    I'm actually cool with people having opinions that are contrary to mine. This place (and the world) would be very boring if everybody shared my opinion. What I don't like is when somebody posts one of his plays that would be objectively and subjectively great for any QB and someone else immediately has to pop up with a reason why he still sucks. I don't understand what goes on in your mind when your team's QB is bad, even when he does something good.

    I hope he shows out. I actually expect him to. I couldn't care less about gloating, though. I'll leave that up to others.
     
  34. OwesOwn614

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  35. KeyFin

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    That's kind of impressive since Tannehill was known as a "practice hero". What does that mean? I have no idea. But it might be important.
     
  36. Galant

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  37. OwesOwn614

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    I dunno. I take Omar with a grain of salt, but any positive note from him has to be considered a good thing. Do I recall correctly that last year at this time, Tua was making a bunch of turnovers because the staff wanted him to take chances early in training camp? Seems like a couple of weeks later, he was practicing well. Maybe that experimentation of seeing what he could and couldn't competently do is paying dividends now.
     
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  38. resnor

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    No one has said he "can't" do things. We've stuff he hasn't shown that ability at the NFL level at this point.

    You can disagree with that, and you can believe that he's shown YOU enough, but that is not the same as what your claiming about those of us not sold on Tua.
     
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  39. Finatik

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    He hasn’t shown the ability to win games? What’s his record? You mean that kind of stuff?
     
  40. The_Dark_Knight

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    While I agree with you in the spirit of your post, the more accurate question should be what’s the team’s record with him as the starter? But that is a double edged sword.

    We’re there games in which the defense was more responsible for a win and not Tua? Sure but on the other side of that same coin, were there games the defense was more responsible for the loss than Tua? Absolutely.

    With the dumpster fire of an offensive scheme the Dolphins have had thus far with Tua…as well as the utter lack of offensive line talent, I would venture it’s fair to say Tua has played more than adequately under these atrocious conditions. It’s going to be interesting to see just how much he shines…or folds under a better overall offensive unit and coach
     

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