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Tua is not the Problem

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Galant, Nov 6, 2021.

  1. OwesOwn614

    OwesOwn614 Well-Known Member

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  2. KeyFin

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    If the offense shows up and the D is average, I think we'll be 2-2.
    If the defense shows up and the O is average, I think we'll be 3-1.
    If both show up, I think we'll be 4-0.

    If this team is really clicking, I'm not afraid of anyone in their path. Just hoping that they live up to the hype I've created in my own mind.
     
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  3. The_Dark_Knight

    The_Dark_Knight Defender of the Truth

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    I really truly believe we can be 3-1. The only team in that first 4 game stretch that causes me any concern is Buffalo…
     
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  4. Galant

    Galant Love - Unity - Sacrifice - Eternity

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  5. OwesOwn614

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  6. TheHighExhaulted

    TheHighExhaulted Well-Known Member

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    Coaches respect. Players respect.

    Next up: Media
     
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  7. Galant

    Galant Love - Unity - Sacrifice - Eternity

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  8. Wilkimania

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    I wonder how different it is for Tua this year just to have a coach who seems to actually believe in him. Let's face it the last two years it seems like neither the head coach nor the owner were the biggest fans of the guy leading their team and it's impossible for that to not seep into the team in someway or another.
     
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  9. OwesOwn614

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    A snippet from Kurt Warner's study with a great point about Tua's footwork. Pretty sure Tua would agree with it:
     
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  10. hitman8

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    Good observation by Warner. Tua's mechanics on deep throws are not very good, but I feel it's because he tries to overcompensate for lack of arm strength, which messes up his footwork.

    I saw it last year also were it looked like he would strain and put everything he had on it just to get it 50 yards down field.

    Truly strong armed QBs make the long throws look easy, without flailing all over the place
     
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  11. Galant

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    https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id...a-changed-why-there-confidence-miami-dolphins

    "STATISTICALLY, THE WORST game of Tagovailoa's career came at the worst possible time -- a must-win Week 17 game at the Tennessee Titans to keep Miami's 2021 playoff hopes alive. In cold, rainy conditions, the Dolphins lost 34-3 as Tagovailoa completed just 18 of 38 passes for 205 yards and an interception. His 53.1 quarterback rating was the lowest of his NFL career. He was sacked a career-high four times and fumbled three times, losing one.

    The Dolphins' postseason hopes were dead, but the theory that Tagovailoa didn't have the arm strength for cold weather was alive and well. Afterward, Tagovailoa said he would try to find someplace to practice in the cold, so he visited his younger brother, Taulia, in Maryland in February and did some throwing in snowy conditions."

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    "But Tagovailoa ranked 27th in QBR on pass attempts from outside the pocket last season, with an off-target percentage of 26.7% -- the fifth-worst rate in the league. He recognized he needed to improve throwing off-platform and on the run."

    ""Something that his dad had told me, which really resonated, is when Tua is at his best, his lower half is in the best shape possible," Hicks said. "I saw a lot of progressions with his footwork. He is really using his legs and snapping forward and pushing the ball off his back foot.""

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    "It's a level of bravado Tagovailoa had not displayed publicly in his previous two seasons, but those around him say it's a more accurate reflection of his confidence.

    "Well, Tua is low-key cocky -- like, a lot of people don't know that," Hill said. "But when you see him start getting into his zone -- when it's like, 'Oh yeah, that dude is unstoppable' -- when he gets locked into that zone, it is over with for the opposing defense. I promise you.

    "I've had a chance to see that a few times out of him, where he gets into the zone and he's like on everybody's behind, and it's like, ridiculous, you know? That really motivates the rest of the guys on the team, having such a great leader in Tua.""

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    "IT WAS 2:30 P.M. on Aug. 20, five hours before the Dolphins were to face the Las Vegas Raiders in their preseason home opener, and there was only one player on the field.

    With the play sheet in hand, Tagovailoa was getting in his mental reps. It's not something he'd been known to do in his prior two NFL seasons.

    "I'm just trying to picture the operation of how I want the offense to operate," Tagovailoa said. "So I'm looking at the playcall, saying the playcall out, getting the motions. If a certain person is not where they're supposed to be defensively, then that's an opportunity to exert all the adjectives, as far as getting us into the right play."

    "That's what my practice is every time that I go out there. And then going through my entire progression. Just all the little details.""

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    "Tagovailoa's transformation, at least heading into the regular season, was completed Thursday, when his teammates voted him captain for the first time.

    "I think it speaks volumes on where he's at with the team and their belief in him," McDaniel said."
     
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  12. The_Dark_Knight

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    Bare with me while I try to make this point, but here’s what I would like you (or anyone else for that matter) to try…

    Go outside, grab a football and start throwing it to your friend, son, whomever. Then after you’ve had the fun of “go long” to see how far you can throw it or trying to hit him in stride on a crossing route, SWITCH HANDS. Start throwing with your left.

    Now the why and how Tagovailoa is a left handed quarterback can be discussed until you’re blue in the face but this is the fact…he’s right handed. He’s not left handed and yet he plays left handed and is one of the more accurate passers in the league…not to mention that throwing 50+ yard passes off handed is something I seriously doubt ANY quarterback in the NFL could do.

    What could be do if he played right handed? Who knows, but I think it’s worth putting into perspective his skills sets before being overly critical.
     
  13. Galant

    Galant Love - Unity - Sacrifice - Eternity

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    Okay so I think the best point to bear in mind here is that he's likely right-footed while throwing with his left.
    However, the bottom line is (and I know you know this), the NFL isn't a charity. There are no bonus points for throwing 'off-hand'. Tua is what he is, by his own choice. He's made his bed, so to speak, so now he has to throw in it.

    It's also worth noting that most of us never have to do much with our off-hand, so we've never put much time into training ourselves in this way. By all accounts Tua's dad got him started on throwing lefty really early on, and so Tua's been trained in it. At this point I doubt Tua's right hand would be better than his left. I don't know of any studies, I've not looked, but it may simply be the case that one's off-hand can become just as effective as one's 'strong' hand if you work at it. There may not be a case to say that one's weaker hand necessarily has a 'lower ceiling' than one's strong hand.
     
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  14. Galant

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    NYT article:

    "A European player belting tennis balls on Court 7 drew onlookers to his midday practice Sunday. Sprinting to his left, he hit a topspin forehand like he had done for as long as anyone could remember. He scampered to his right and smacked a two-handed backhand that jumped off the court. He is naturally right-handed but makes his living hitting the ball primarily with his non-dominant hand.

    No, this was not a Mallorcan named Rafael Nadal. It was Jurgen Melzer, a 32-year-old Austrian and the 29th-seeded man in the United States Open. Melzer, a former top 10 player who won the ATP Tour event in Winston-Salem, N.C., last week, said he started playing tennis at age 8 and, like a lot of small children, began with two hands.

    “I had to hold the left hand on the bottom,” he says. “Thankfully or luckily, I kept it in this hand.”

    Over the past decade, Nadal has gotten nearly all of the attention pertaining to this rare breed of player, the ones who make their living hitting most of their shots while holding the racquet in their so-called weaker hand.
    Nadal’s uncle and coach, Toni Nadal, famously had the foresight to train his right-handed nephew to be a left-handed player, which is generally considered an advantage in tennis.

    But there are other players who fall into this category and get far less attention for it. Being able to play this way on such a high level goes beyond hard work, heart or a savvy uncle. It starts in the brain.

    Dr. Mininder S. Kocher, the associate director of sports medicine at Boston Children’s Hospital, said handedness is controlled by the motor cortex, in the rear portion of the frontal lobe.

    “We see handedness typically revealed at 2 to 3 years of age and developed by 5 to 6 years of age,” said Dr. Mininder, who is also a professor of orthopedic surgery at Harvard Medical School.

    But he added, “Handedness may not be fully integrated until 8 to 9 years of age.”

    This helps explain Angelique Kerber of Germany, seeded eighth at the Open. Naturally right-handed, Kerber started playing at age 3 and obviously was not making a strategic decision about tennis at the time.

    “I don’t know why; I just picked up the racket with the left hand,” she said. “I had more feeling with the left hand than with the right.”

    Her parents noticed but did not step in.

    “They just said O.K., keep it in the left.,” Kerber said. “They didn’t try to change it.”

    Kocher is a natural left-hander who was converted to being a right-hander early on — “the nuns,” he explained. He said that up to 40 percent of the population is not strongly left or right handed. But people can be trained to override their natural handedness. But he does not necessarily recommend it.

    “It is important to remember that the brain is still developing and is plastic until the early 20s,” he said.

    Still, he added, “I think forcing someone who has a natural handedness to write or play tennis with their other hand may be counterproductive, as it may lead to learning issues, confusion and decreased performance.”

    Even a partial list of tennis players who fall in to the “mixed handedness” category — a term Kocher said is usually more accurate than ambidexterous — is nothing short of impressive. And there is a twist: some of them are lefties who play right-handed. These include Marion Bartoli, the recently retired (perhaps) Wimbledon champion; Carlos Moya, a Mallorcan like Nadal and the 1998 French Open champion; Margaret Court, the career leader in Grand Slams singles titles; and Kimiko Date-Krumm, the 42-year-old from Japan who lost her first-round match at the Open on Monday.

    The mixed-handedness can also be seen in some of the biggest stars in other sports, too: Larry Bird, LeBron James, C.C. Sabathia, Michael Vick. Phil Mickelson is even known as Lefty, even though he is right-handed. He learned to play golf by mirroring his right-handed father."

    https://archive.nytimes.com/straigh...DB98AE6E3DB93A83808&gwt=pay&assetType=PAYWALL
     
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  15. Silverphin

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    We already seen in practice that Tua can throw a farther ball than the one that was thrown to Hill on that play. If Tua's able to throw despite his footwork being off, then it only stands to reason his arm is nowhere close to weak.
     
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  16. Sceeto

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    The arm strength is a bit of an issue now. However. you can see a big difference from his first year to now. In that first year, when he would try to make a strong throw or long throw, he would always kick up his back leg to get more push. That was clear. It improved in his second year as he got a bit stronger. More than the deep ball, arm strength or lack thereof shows when you have to zip it across your body. across to the opposite hash marks, etc. I hope that improves. He also needs to sometimes throw the deeper balls with more of a straight trajectory. His passes get a lot of air under them. I want to see some zip. I'm hopin'

    He should really try to model himself after Steve Young. He was a lefty who had a rough start to his career and he didn't have a strong arm. Now, Tua will never be the strong runner Young was, but that isn't as important. There was one of those QB competition things where it was Favre, Young and others and on the deep ball part, Favre threw it like a mile and Young came up and threw some lame ducks. The others were laughing and messing around with him. He was laughing as well.
     
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  17. djphinfan

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    I think most of us see what we need to see and what Tua needs to fix

    Can’t let the scheme trick you..

    At some point he’s going to have to make pretty unique individual plays to win us a Super Bowl
     
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  18. hitman8

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    Hey, It's not my fault Tua's dad decided to make him throw lefty. The fact is he has troubles with arm strength and velocity, whether it's because he throws with his non dominant hand or not is irrelevant. At this point I think it's too late for him to start throwing right handed. However, I will say I think he worked on it a lot this off-season to get stronger in the lower body and core and seems to be throwing better. However, he still doesn't seem like he has elite arm strength, and probably never will when comparing him to guys like Mahomes, Allen, Herbert or Rodgers.
     
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  19. resnor

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    And I'm ok with that, as long as his arm is more live than it was the past couple seasons. Chad Pennington comes to mind.
     
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  20. resnor

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    I'll tell you what, the narrative around Miami and Tua is incredibly positive on ESPN. They're pumping Miami really hard.
     
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  21. OwesOwn614

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    It's a hard turn, too. Ryan Clark got personal early in the offseason in his insistence that Tua is not, was not, and never would be a franchise QB. Seems even he's changed his tune. Keyshawn Johnson seems to be the one who's dug in the hardest right now. Chris Canty is the one that I really want to see eat crow. I'm cool with having an opinion, but when your opinion goes from subbjective criticism to personal attacks, it's unprofessional and not a good look.
     
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  22. Silverphin

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    I haven't seen anyone say his arm is on that level. The prevailing narrative was that his arm is weak. This past offseason has shown evidence to the contrary.
     
  23. Sceeto

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    I totally forgot about his father making him a lefty. That's flippin' crazy. Just so he wouldn't be the only lefty in the family? Are you serious?That's mature. His father always seemed a little off to me. That could certainly be part of the problem. Wow.
     
  24. TheHighExhaulted

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    What problem?
     
  25. hitman8

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    Are you going to pretend like Tua has no arm strength problems now? He has issues throwing deep with accuracy and velocity (without floating it), and he also has issues throwing off platform with accuracy and velocity.
     
  26. whiskeyCoke72

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    We should shut this thread down! Whatever “The Problem” was last November, that problem is no longer relevant!

    It’s 2022!!! Let’s Go!!!!
     
  27. The_Dark_Knight

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    This thread can’t be shut down until it reaches 273 pages like the Ryan Tannehill thread did.
     
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    It would be kinda interesting to see how he would throw with his right arm
     
  29. Galant

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    I mean.... I can shut down this 'Tua wasn't the problem in 2021' thread and start a new, 'Is Tua the Problem in 2022?' thread - keeping things all positive and upbeat. :D

    Roll on Sunday!
     
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  30. KeyFin

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    LMAO, how about a "How's Tua doing in 2022" thread? No reason to have it slanted negative in the title.
     
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  31. Serpico Jones

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    He can’t throw to the right.
     
  32. Silverphin

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  33. TheHighExhaulted

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    Statistics do not register to these people. He's not on the top 10 sportscenter plays every week yet so they don't care.
     
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    19.0.
     
  35. Silverphin

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    That small part doesn't make up the whole entire right side.
     
  36. The_Dark_Knight

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    I could be wrong, and I’ll look at it in depth later, but with Tagovailoa being a left handed quarterback rolling to the left, he’s not going to have very many passes to the right side of the field…just like I’m certain not too many right handed quarterbacks have very many passes to the left side.

    I’m just saying
     
  37. Galant

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  38. OwesOwn614

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  39. TheHighExhaulted

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    Allen hasn't thrown a pass over two yards in the air yet but he's amazing.
     
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    The TD was easily 5 yards in the air
     
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