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  1. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Thoughts? Observations?? Concerns??

    :)
     
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  2. cbrad

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    Elite QB in the making. Just needs to keep proving it.

    And it's really the McDaniel+Tua+Hill+Waddle combination more than Tua himself. But those denying Tua credit just have an agenda.
     
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  3. TheHighExhaulted

    TheHighExhaulted Well-Known Member

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  4. Fireland

    Fireland Well-Known Member

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    Going for on 4th around midfield and even trying to get points at the half even though it required some luck really shows how much confidence McDaniel has in Tua. Some people have wondered whether he is 100 genuine when he talks about Tua but clearly he is.
     
  5. cbrad

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    Yeah it will be interesting to see how Herbert ends up: 3 years above average but not elite play and a flop in the playoffs. Guy has to either take that next step or the Chargers are in another Rivers-type situation: above average QB but not good enough to win a SB.

    Other QBs worth watching:
    Purdy.. he might end up being the real deal
    Wilson.. good to see last year might be an anomaly
    Geno Smith.. also good to see last year might be an anomaly lol
    Watson.. very surprised he isn't back to form
    Burrow.. is this a repeat of last year? Starting terrible only to end up near the top?
     
  6. OwesOwn614

    OwesOwn614 Well-Known Member

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    Keep him upright and we may one day talk about his pairing with McDaniel the way people mention Shula & Marino. He now has the 4th and 5th highest yardage games in team history (both comeback wins, BTW). With that being said, I respect him as much for how he comports himself off the field as for how he plays while on it. Almost too humble and a great representative for the team.

    I'll never understand how he became a polarizing figure for national media, let alone among Dolphins fans. We waited for two decades for a QB capable of playing at his level and I hope he maintains it.
     
  7. StaleTacos

    StaleTacos Well-Known Member

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    Herbert took a step back offensively last season, but he also played through broken ribs and a torn labrum. This is what playing through a whole season does to you.
     
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  8. OwesOwn614

    OwesOwn614 Well-Known Member

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    I was going to mention that on the now-locked thread. I didn't have the level of anxiety about going for it yesterday that I had last season. And last season, we went for it with a yard or less to gain in opposing territory. And much later in the game. I expected it to succeed but I don't know why. McDaniel believes in his team and especially in his QB.
     
  9. invid

    invid Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I don't know, I thought he played pretty good.
     
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  10. FinFaninBuffalo

    FinFaninBuffalo Well-Known Member

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    He did a bunch of things that we've been told he cannot do. Multiple 10+ yard completions off platform. Throws deep outside the numbers. Making something happen when a play breaks down.
     
  11. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    Who is denying credit?

    You just proved my point. It's Tua plus plus plus

    Which is fine. I have no issue with that, so long as Grier doesn't get cute and continues to keep high powered weapons around him.
     
  12. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    I'm with you. I was very happy with the game yesterday.

    Some people can't grasp that, but that's OK.
     
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  13. invid

    invid Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I was being semi-sarcastic. He played fantastic.
     
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  14. OwesOwn614

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    From Omar "Somebody Told Me He's Wasting His Career Playing Defense On A Team With Tua" Kelly:

     
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  15. StaleTacos

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    Both are pretty amazing. Hill is elite wherever he plays and whoever he plays with, and Mahomes just won a Super Bowl without him.
     
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  16. djphinfan

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    Obviously some pundits and fans misjudged the Qb’s talent
     
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  17. Fireland

    Fireland Well-Known Member

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    Every elite or borderline elite QB has at least one "plus" so why does it matter?
     
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  18. cbrad

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    You and some others have been for a long time. You refuse to accept it's even a viable hypothesis that Tua himself is an elite QB. No matter how many times I've asked you to seriously consider that, including just recently (as well as all throughout 2022), you refuse to. For you the elite stats are not due to Tua but due to his surroundings. Tua according to you and some others here is maybe just a slightly above average QB. That's denying him proper credit.
     
  19. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    And there it is

    You stated a thread questing the front office for not giving Tua a contract citing they just have reservations like some of you who have taken a stance on Tua that he’s not quite good enough.

    It takes higher level of Qb talent to calibrate the speed of a Tyreek hill.
     
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  20. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Never said you wouldnt be happy
     
  21. tirty8

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    As of right now, I really think the only debate is whether Tua is very good or elite. In terms of ability, I am convinced that we got our guy.

    One thing I did notice is that I thought that he had more strength on his passes. Clearly he worked on his lower body in the offseason, and I think it is helping him drive his passes down the field.

    In terms of play, I am 100% positive that we got our guy. Health is the only real concern going forward, and only time will tell with that.
     
  22. StaleTacos

    StaleTacos Well-Known Member

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    Just got to ignore that poster. He can't write a post without discussing and misrepresenting other posters. Just keeps getting threads shutdown. At some point the moderator will need to hand out suspensions.
     
  23. cbrad

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    lol.. so now you attack the poster not the post. Way to go. And no I don't misrepresent things systematically like you do (your latest post is a great example). That thread didn't get shut down because of me btw.
     
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  24. OwesOwn614

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    Every great QB needs high level talent to succeed. Every great receiver needs somebody to get him the ball where he can make a play. Brady didn't have all-pros, but Welker, Amendola, and Edelman were perfect complements for him. We, as fans, try to see the game the way we want it to be instead of appreciating the nuance necessary for things to work out well. Not many QBs would have made the plays Tua made yesterday, but there are probably only one or two receivers capable of doing what Hill did. Perhaps only Justin Jefferson can play at that level.
     
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  25. OwesOwn614

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    Yes, this is anecdotal, but still impressive.
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  26. RGF

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    LOL...it's not working. You try and try but it's just not working. No props for perseverance either. Can't you even grasp how lame you sound. ????
     
  27. OwesOwn614

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    Come on, man. Let's try not to get personal. The other thread got shut down because things got uncivil.
     
  28. TheHighExhaulted

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    You just had to take a veiled shot. Couldn't help yourself.
     
  29. FinFaninBuffalo

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    He also made a bunch of throws to second or third receivers in the progression? How is that possible when he just throws to a pre-determined spot "no matter what"???? Hmmm.....
     
  30. cbrad

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    I think you should tell that to StaleTacos first. He's the first poster in this thread who made a personal attack by saying I can't write a post without misrepresenting others, which is as big a lie as you can come up with.
     
  31. RGF

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    He's far too easy to see right through. Pristine glass should be as transparent.
     
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    It wasn't veiled. Folks were discussing Herbert's performance. That context is important. The fact he was playing with those injuries is important. Injuries a QB acquires over the season adds up and impacts performance. It's like comparing two runners in a sprint, but one of them ran a marathon prior. Tua needs to run the marathon. Let's see it.
     
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  33. Pennington's Limp Arm

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    Incredible performance by Tua, he played up to his capabilities.

    Most people on here who know ball and watched him earn the #1 QBR in the league early last year, already knew this is the level Tua can play at.

    One big area Tua did appear to take a step forward and was noticeably improved… Was his movement in the pocket and his overall awareness of his surroundings in the pocket. He was stepping up or sidestepping and Making subtle movement to avoid pressure and help his offensive lineman.

    Very encouraging if he can keep that up and better protect himself from big hits.
     
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  34. OwesOwn614

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    Sorry I missed it. The mods are focused on the Tua threads in particular and I actually enjoy the discussion. After two closed threads in two weeks, it'd be nice to keep this one going. For the record: I have deleted plenty of posts that I would have regretted, so Lord knows I'm just as irritated about some of the stuff posted here. But we both know it's done to stir a response; I just try to ignore it.
     
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  35. RGF

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    Just calling it like it is. I mean, someone had to explain to him how silly he is, so I gave it a try.
    I'm patiently awaiting for his gratitude towards my kindness.
     
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  36. StaleTacos

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    You...
    1) Started talking about other posters when no one else was. That's your MO. I just returned serve in the hopes of not getting the thread dragged down by telling resnor to just ignore you.
    2) Misrepresented their position by stating, "But those denying Tua credit just have an agenda." We've given Tua plenty of credit for his performance yesterday.

    ...so just stop, or you'll get this thread shutdown and eventually get a suspension.
     
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  37. RGF

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    Very true. His pocket awareness was elite yesterday, which was something he needed to work on and he clearly did.
     
  38. cbrad

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    Listen. You're like Fin-D in that if you actually do get banned this board will be a much nicer place to visit. I don't have issues with hitman or resnor, just you. At some point the mods are going to see that you're the primary instigator.

    Regardless, it's true that as long as you and others keep claiming Tua is nothing more than a slightly above average QB you're denying him proper credit. That's a stance you've never backed away from, and repeated right before the game. And regarding not being able to write a post without misrepresenting others, how about the one I just wrote about Herbert and other QB's, post #5? Whose position am I misrepresenting there? Please enlighten us. Or admit you lied.
     
  39. FinFaninBuffalo

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    BTW, here is what happens when the defense over commits to taking away the middle of the field. This is 4th and 7. The guy at the 35 is deep and shading to the inside to take away the throw if Tyreek runs an in breaker. Berrios takes his man deep. Smyth runs to the open space. Easy first down.

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    BTW, Waddle ends up open in the middle too.

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    BTW, Tua can't throw outside the numbers.... just take away the middle of the field and he is done.... right?????
     
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  40. FinFaninBuffalo

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    Just throwing to spots baby......

     
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