Tua..

Who are the ones you claim aren't posting?

 

A great receiver makes the OFFENSE BETTER. If you can find me stats that shows the QBs being more accurate or having a stronger arm or being faster, taller, stronger, etc with Moss as a receiver, we can continue the discussion.

 

Really? Is this a serious question? Basically we see only you, StaleTacos and (a bit of) hitman right now posting among the solidly anti-Tua crowd (and by that I don't mean you're against keeping him if he can prove he can stay healthy and perform well, I mean you refuse to say he's anything beyond a slightly above average QB).

There were at least 10 posters that often posted after bad games by Tua. I don't have to list names here, though one poster I'd love to see change his mind is canesz06. If he ever changes his mind I think Tua has done it!

 

Anyone hear from Sceeto lately? His last post was Sunday afternoon, 4 hours before the Dolphins game.

 

No. It makes the QB better. I don't think you actually read the article, or followed the stats.

Like your premise makes absolutely no sense. You want the WR to make the QB throw more accurately, make him have a stronger arm, make him faster, taller, etc...That's not what anyone can do. They aren't gods. What a WR can do is consistently be very open, make other WRs better by taking defenders, make it easier for a QB to make completions, run a lot of YAC, ect,, which makes their stats better. We judge players on stats, not on how hard they throw, or how tall they are. Or you are going to have to explain why you like Tua so much.

 

This might be your most edited post yet.

 

250 replies in 33 hours? Really?!

 

Granted this isn't the most professional sound wise, but these two have an interesting view on all of Tua's drop backs during week 1.

I don't have an opinion one way or another on their analysis but I figured I would at least share another perspective I found on our week 1 performance. There are comments on our offensive line play as well.

 

All I have heard off season is Garrett Wilson is a top 5 wide receiver, he's gonna take over the league, some even saying the best in the league.

I've also heard on here Zach Wilson has better tools than Tua. Is he going to look like a competent quarterback this year with this amazing weapon?

 

NONE OF THAT MAKES THE QB BETTER.

You even changed your statement to "makes their stats better". Take the L.

 

This is becoming unavoidable.

 

He spends the entire post agreeing with me that a great WR makes the OFFENSE better but still has to pretend I'm wrong.....

We all know the reason for his bizarre position. He MUST take credit away from Tua. He is setting up for the position that he will be forced to take. "Okay Tua is a top QB but it is not because of him. It is Hill and Waddle."

He will ignore all the things that Tua does well (speed at which he reads the defense, elite anticipation, elite release quickness, elite accuracy, excellent pocket awareness, etc) and claim "Of course, an elite WR makes the QB better. Duh." This is, of course, AFTER repeatedly claiming that Tua doesn't have the skill to be a great QB. No caveat at the time of "unless he has elite receivers." The caveats appear AFTER he is proven wrong. He complete ignores the fact that many of the measures of the QB can be made independent of the WRs. There are many sites that track specific stats on QBs for precisely that reason.

That beeping sound is the tractor moving the goal posts back.

 

I'm not sure it is harder throwing to Hill than Berrios but it is much hard to maximize a WR's potential. Getting the ball to him at the right time requires elite anticipation. Most QBs must wait longer into the routes before throwing the ball. They simply are not capable of throwing with the anticipation that Tua does. Getting the ball to the receiver sooner gives them the maximum chance of making a big play.

The anti-Tua crowd loves to claim "Tua is throwing to wide open receivers!". They don't understand WHY they are wide open.

 

They make mention early on of Tyreek's improved release off the line. This matches two things. First, it matches what many said about the Chargers game last season. It wasn't Tua that was stopped, it was the receivers that were stopped. Part of it legally, part illegally.

Second, I saw an interview with a former NFL WR (can't remember which one) after we hired McDaniel where he claimed that McDaniel taught him stuff that made him better, including how to get off press coverage. He claimed that McDaniel's approach to many things were different and they worked.

 

i was stoked when we signed Bridgewater, but watching him he just seemed like he didn't really want to be playing anymore.

 

not a single person on here said Tua did not play great.

 

Tua has clearly improved his game. Based on past injury history that fear of him being able to continue is going to stick around for a while. This Tua is way better then the one from 2 years ago.

 

Some only post when the Dolphins lose, their frustrations boil over.. I totally get it. I hate losing more then winning.

 

Some mostly post when Tua plays bad, not necessarily when the Dolphins lose. It's more about the "I told you so" than anything else.

And it is interesting that they can't rejoice when Tua plays well. I mean c'mon. As a Dolphins fan the primary goal should be the Dolphins winning, not whether the QB they adamantly claimed we should not have taken is proving them wrong by turning into an elite QB lol.

 

Rewatching that final drive and am I crazy for liking the TD pass to Hill more than the deep ball?

 

That TD pass looked like "how the hell could the ball have gotten in there!" so I know what you mean.

However, statistically the 47 yard deep ball to Hill was much less likely. The completion probability on the deep ball was 21.9% while it was 30.8% on that TD pass. So the TD pass was unlikely to be completed, but not quite as much as the deep ball.

 

Yes. Yes it does.

Your premise makes no sense. We judge QBs and ALL players on stats. We don't judge if they are good or bad on physical traits. Being good or bad isn't based on how hard they throw, or how tall they are. Or again, you must not think Tua is very good.

 

No more proof that some people are rooting against Tua than this thread. A Dolphin fan under 40 has little to no memory of a better game out of a Miami QB.

Especially ridiculous given how some wanted them to move on from Tua to QBs who look much worse or aren't even playing

 

Please educate yourself. Look deeper. Try harder. Look into things like on target throw percentage combined with average air yards per target. I can see how someone with only a superficial knowledge of the game would think the way you do. You can to better.

If you think a QB that makes a dump off at the LOS to a WR that runs for 50 yards requires the same skill as throwing for 50 yards in the air, I cannot help you. In your world view, the QBs would be equal because WR1 "made QB1 better". In my world view the offensive statistics would be equal and I'd be able to distinguish the contributions of the respective QBs and WRs and assign credit appropriately. QB2 > QB1 on that play, despite both being 1 of 1 for 50 yards.

 

LOL. Those are stats though. I love how you just proved my point. QB stats get better therefore they are better. We don't judge on physical traits

All NFL QBs can make a 50 yard air throw and a dump off. The consistency they are able to do that is what stats are. In my world view, we judge if players are good or bad on stats. WRs don't get judged on how fast they run, how tall they jump, or how great their routes are. We judge them based on their stats. QBs don't get judged on how far they can throw, or how tall they are, or how fast they run. They are judged good, or bad, based on their stats.

 

You should tell that to hitman. He's been obsessed about Tua being mediocre precisely because of his weak arm, stats be damned.

 

I have that NFL + premium package and really enjoy it. You can watch entire game, condensed game, and even game film type game

 

Tua's arm strength has increased for sure. His over all game has improved. Currently it is hard to complain about any part of his game. He realized his weaknesses and worked to make them strengths.

 

I have yet to play a video game where that is possible.

 

Oh he still has a weak arm (relatively speaking), and always will. Point is, it doesn't matter. Steve Young had a weak arm and is the most efficient QB with 4000+ attempts in history. Montana and Brees weren't known for strong arms and are elite QBs.

hitman is simply going to have to radically alter the way he evaluates QBs because his focus on arm strength is misguided. As long as the QB has other traits that can compensate, it doesn't matter. In Tua's case it's speed + accuracy, which is impressive because there's usually a speed-accuracy trade-off: faster -> less accurate. With Tua it's just much less the case.

But yes you're right about Tua improving in all aspects of his game. That's precisely why having an elite season in year 3 is statistically different from having it in year 7 or so. QBs improve most early in their careers and that shows up in the stats. Tua is following this mold.

 

They are stats that isolate the QB's skill rather that smashing it together with the actions of the WR. You must cling to your last knock on Tua - his WRs deserve all the credit. It's obvious.

 

Tua led the league in passer rating, YPA, and many other important STATS.... so he was the best QB last season, right?

Now is when you try to twist out of this.....

 

He is making throws this year I'm not sure he could have made last year. You are correct his arm will never be a Josh Allen arm, but still an increase in Tua's arm this year is noticeable.

 

Just an amazing clip that someone put together: