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[Updated] Junior Seau Dead at 43 | Commits Suicide

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Agua, May 2, 2012.

  1. Trowa

    Trowa A world of pain

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    "A place to give your opinions" not a place to talk **** about the dead within a couple hours of their passing. Look, I don't know you, you don't know me and neither of us knew Junior. I don't know what you've been through in your life and I don't presume to do so. But wouldn't you rather wait to know the facts before you pass judgement rather than make the facts what you THINK they are? A long time friend of mine works with the mentally ill and has a different perspective on things of this nature than most people. The truth is you can't paint every victim of suicide with a wide brush. People commit suicide for any number of different reasons. (I'm going to pull a statistic out of my *** here) For every person who "quits at life" there are 9 others who life gave a raw deal who can't go on any further. Don't discount suicide as "the easy way out" because the decision to take one's life is not easy, it takes a grand amount of conviction, an amount that usually requires some real circumstances to arrive at.

    I'm not going to simply agree to disagree with you on this issue because I really think you need to arm yourself with knowledge and reevaluate you view of suicide cases. Everything isn't as black and white as I feel your posts are trying to make them, especially in cases like these.
     
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  2. xphinfanx

    xphinfanx Stay strong my friends.

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    Bad news junior was one hell of a good player in San Diego.
     
  3. Rocky Raccoon

    Rocky Raccoon Greasepaint Ghost Staff Member

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    Ugh, this is terrible. Enjoyed watching him throughout his career and was glad to see him play in a Dolphins uniform.

    R.I.P. Junior. :(
     
  4. jdang307

    jdang307 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Come on guys. Finyank expressed his opinion. Let it go already or take it to another forum.
     
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  5. Ohio Fanatic

    Ohio Fanatic 30 years and counting Club Member

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    My last comment. He's certainly allowed to express his opinion. But if it's going to be judgemental and insensitive, then it's reasonable to expect a counter-reaction.
    I don't really see the problem, he seems to be thick-skinned enough to not over-react to the counter-reaction.
     
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  6. jdang307

    jdang307 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    That's fine, and we've all done that. Even me. But it's done now. It doesn't need to be 10 pages. Let's focus on Seau, his tragic end to his life, his family, and this damn thing about concussions and brain injuries in the NFL.

    I mean, if he shot himself so his brain would be intact, that's some crazy ish.
     
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  7. finyank13

    finyank13 Reality Check

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    Dang I wasnt the one making a big deal out of it, I simply stated my opinion once, people jumped on me....but I agree it is useless to debate points that you cant change...

    oh annnnnnd it seems like he did....

     
  8. BlameItOnTheHenne

    BlameItOnTheHenne Taking a poop

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    The interview with his mother was cringe-worthy.
     
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  9. sloppyjoer

    sloppyjoer New Member

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    Just wow. Never think suicide is a cowards way out. That's cold. There's usually other factors involved here. Could be concussions, depression, anything.

    Good guy, monster on the field, he will be missed. Condolences to his family & friends.
     
  10. unifiedtheory

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    Wow, just stunning and awful news.

    As time progresses we are learning more and more about the impact of repeated head injuries and early death in contact sports (Derek Boogaard, Dave Duerson, Junior etc.) and it just keeps getting worse. The human brain is simply not meant to be repeatedly bashed against the skull without some sort of lingering effects. Helmet technology has come a long way but still has a long way to go, that is one thing. Teams and team doctors are getting better at holding players out until fully healthy which is good but the stigma of not playing because of a concussion is still with us. Until the PLAYERS adapt and learn that it is not "weak" to sit out until you are healthy and the peer groups in the locker rooms change we will see many more of these horrible incidents.

    It can not change soon enough. The helmets need to get even better (hockey, football), the medical knowledge has to get better and the awareness has to get better. The professionals need to keep working and the LEAGUES (NHL, NFL) need to pony up some of the buckets of money the players generate to assist the professionals and companies who are working hard in the field of head injury and head trauma. In my opinion the leagues could do much MUCH more.

    R.I.P. Junior. Your death is awful and sad but we can only hope that some good can be found in it.
     
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  11. jw3102

    jw3102 season ticket holder

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    Rich or poor, it doesn't matter when trying to deal with issues in each persons life. No one except Seau knows what caused him to decide to end his own life but he obviously was in a state of mind where he saw no other option at that moment. It is truly sad that he decided suicide was his only option, but I certainly am not someone who is going to sit in judgement of someone who was so depressed in life that he wanted to die.

    It is not a question of respecting or not respecting his decision. Each human being deals with life in their own way and for many each year, suicide ends up being their ultimate final decision in life.
    I may not understand why this was the option he took at this time, but I certainly am not going to condemn him or disrespect his memory, when I have absolutely no idea what he was going through which led him to take his own life.

    May he now rest in peace.
     
  12. Shoes

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  13. MikeHoncho

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    That's no suicide. RIP though.
     
  14. unifiedtheory

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  15. GreysonWinfield

    GreysonWinfield Release The Hounds

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    You like it when people jump on you. Particularly when they have large dogs with them.
     
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  16. Onehondo

    Onehondo Senior Member Club Member

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    Just one comment since I read all the way through this thread to make sure someone else didn't mention it.

    To those that have no compassion or "sensitivity" to Seau for taking his own life. Would you have the same opinion of soldiers who came back from war with Post Traumatic Stress Syndrome and decided they couldn't cope with it and took their own lives? I had a friend who came home from Viet Nam and did that and I wouldn't dare to try to judge somebody who suffered from that.
     
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  17. unluckyluciano

    unluckyluciano For My Hero JetsSuck

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    I think finyank should be banned. Whose with me?
     
  18. BlameItOnTheHenne

    BlameItOnTheHenne Taking a poop

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    Definitely. His opinion sucks!!
     
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  19. jdang307

    jdang307 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Lol. Ban him! How dare he have an opinion that is completely at odds as ours.
     
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  20. PhinsRDbest

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    RIP, he was apart of my favorite Miami Dolphins defense, the 2003 4-3(granted I'm 26).

    DE-Jason Taylor
    DT-Tim Bownes
    DT-Larry Chester
    DE-Adewale Ogunleye
    OLB-Morlon Greenwood
    MLB-Zach Thomas
    OLB-Junior Seau
    CB-Sam Madison
    CB-Patrick Surtain
    FS-Brock Marion
    SS-Sammy Knight

    I'll take that defense any day of the week.
     
  21. sloppyjoer

    sloppyjoer New Member

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    Well. Opinion is one thing. Dude was a regular Joe-Q-Public guy now. Sure an ex-NFLer. But still. Using tact is the best practice of common sense here. There could be family/friends picking up this stuff.

    Opinion is one thing. Use your head. Just like mommy said, if you have nothing nice to say, stfu.
     
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  22. mommabilly

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    These guys play organized football since what, around age 8 ? Then one day in their 30s they are deemed not useable anylonger by the NFL. In Juniors case it was in his 40s. You have somewhere to go everyday for over 30 years and then suddenly its done, over. None of us realize the mental presssure these players are under during their HS, College and Pro Careers. May he rest in peace.
     
  23. Jaydog57

    Jaydog57 Canes/Fins/Magic fan

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    That's sad news. I've read over the years about people meeting him in public and never heard about him being anything but a nice guy. I'm glad I got to see him play in a few games as a Miami Dolphin. Whatever happened to him, I hope he's at peace. RIP Junior Seau.
     
  24. FanMarino

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    Your thoughts are seriously shallow IMO.. Im suprised with your train of thought. It shows a serious lack of understanding. Every human being is different. Its the way we are. You say quitter..i say he had serious problems that resulted in what we are talking about. Quitter? No. Like you say its good to have fan boards and opinions. My thoughts are you are harsh to the extreme. Using the word quitter is a cop out. You know nothing as i know nothing but at least im prepared to show some respect, something that you obviously havnt grasped yet. You ex Army Finyank? I am. I thought u might have understood how ppl work in the real world and how ppl suddenly cannot function for different reasons. You are right. You are entitled to your opinion but i will comment when i read crap when the word "quitter" is used. Its cheap.
     
  25. Coral Reefer

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    Yes may he rest in peace and some could have more respect.
    Having said that.....

    Come on....
    I always have to chuckle when people try to paint pro athletes as having this super challenged life.
    These players don't have the stress of the average every day Joe just trying to put food on the table for their families.
    Let alone people in really high pressure daily jobs like the military, Police or Firemen.
    Let's not get crazy here.

    These guys are blessed to have the careers they do.
     
  26. Coral Reefer

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    Sad story.

    This guy was fun as hell to watch.
    Loved when he came to the Phins.

    Seau was a class act too.
    Always took the time to interact with fans and was a real gentleman around town.
    Great guy. RIP.
     
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  27. Trowa

    Trowa A world of pain

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    I always have to chuckle when people try to act like athletes don't have problems just like everyone else.
     
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  28. TotoreMexico

    TotoreMexico Your retarded

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    Very sad news, RIP Junior
     
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  29. Coral Reefer

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    Of course they do.
    Is that seriously what you got out of my comment?

    These guys are blessed with a level of success financially and personally being able to be at the top of a career.
    That's it.
    Didn't say they don't have problems.
    I do however chuckle when people make it seem like they deal with unbelievable levels of stress due to what they do.
    Compared to the average person in the world trying to make ends meet.... their career induced stress really isn't as crippling as some make it out to be.
     
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  30. cdz12250

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    I really don't care about anything other than I'm sad to see him go like this.
     
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  31. Mk2

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    You are assuming a person racked by mental illness is thinking clearly, have some compassion.
     
  32. Bumrush

    Bumrush Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Compared to people living in the ghettos and shacks across the globe, from favelas, to Africa, to India, the stress of paying your bills so you can drive that nice car to work or pay that expensive mortgage payment pales in comparison.
     
  33. HardKoreXXX

    HardKoreXXX Insensitive to the Touch

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    Not cool, bro. Often times suicide is the result of deep depression caused by a chemical imbalance in the brain. Think of it like alzheimers, but more mild.

    Think about how much you love your kid. Now, think about the pain you'd have to feel to end your life, knowing that you'd leave them behind. That's gotta be some pretty powerful pain, right? Almost unfathomable. That's why I don't think it's selfish, because unless you've felt it it's impossible to know what they're going through.
     
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  34. Sethdaddy8

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    In an age when lunatics strap their kids in the minivan, and drive it into the river, I'm just glad he didn't take anyone out in his path. Shot to the chest sounds awful odd though.


    Sent from my iPhone
     
  35. HardKoreXXX

    HardKoreXXX Insensitive to the Touch

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    Woah, just read through more of the thread. FY is a good dude, and I know his opinion on this subject does not reflect who he is as a person. It's pretty ****ing shallow and misinformed for someone to say that about him.

    We're not all psychologists and doctors. I still love you, man.
     
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  36. Muck

    Muck Throwback Uniform Crusader Retired Administrator

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  37. Sethdaddy8

    Sethdaddy8 New Member

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    Who ever you are referring to, best be stayin out of Quahog.


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  38. DHPVW

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    Very sad day for me. Seau was a great person and did a lot off the field to help others that weren't so fortunate. He will be missed by everyone that knew him personally or just as a fan.

    For anyone to call him a coward or talk down about him doing this is just wrong. We don't know the slightest of what was going on in his life and either way it was HIS life. I hope to GOD his family can cope and will be ok. Sad day for sure

    RIP Junior, you were an awesome guy and even better football player! You will be missed sir
     
  39. Muck

    Muck Throwback Uniform Crusader Retired Administrator

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    He did all of those things in spades during his 43 years on this earth, though. Likely more than all of us here combined. Except the TV/radio thing. I don't find that to be a more redeeming endeavor than anything else. But he was extremely charitable and involved in his communities. That counts for me. And if nothing else, Junior Seau was a leader of men.

    I'm just not ready to condemn him for committing suicide. We don't know much. All I know is that his friends are saying he was going thru tough times, and he banged his head into behomoths for 20 NFL seasons.
     
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