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So according to Amando Ireland was so desperate to draft Austin that he moved up to #3 and selected somebody else?

Article says that Jordan was the only player that trumped Austin. It's hearsay anyway, who knows.

"shula_guy wrote:

So according to Amando Ireland was so desperate to draft Austin that he moved up to #3 and selected somebody else?

Don't be using logic and stuff!

Way I see it, adding Wallace and Gibson, subtracting Bess tells me they really like Matthews and Binns. Subtracting Fasano and adding Sims and Keller also say a lot about Fasano and MAYBE Charles Clay.

Thing with Clay, he produces points.

And maybe Thigpen more then we know.

"padre31 wrote:

Don't be using logic and stuff!

Way I see it, adding Wallace and Gibson, subtracting Bess tells me they really like Matthews and Binns. Subtracting Fasano and adding Sims and Keller also say a lot about Fasano and MAYBE Charles Clay.

Thing with Clay, he produces points.

And maybe Thigpen more then we know.

Both of you should actually read the article, or re-read it so you get the point. Jordan was the only player coveted more than Austin (apparently) and when the opportunity presented itself they made a move for Jordan. I would have rather had the #12 pick and the #42 pick.

"jim1 wrote:

Both of you should actually read the article, or re-read it so you get the point. Jordan was the only player coveted more than Austin (apparently) and when the opportunity presented itself they made a move for Jordan. I would have rather had the #12 pick and the #42 pick.

Now think about that for a moment, so if they really wanted Eifert, then wait until the 4th to take any Te at all?

If they really coveted Austin, then they'd stand still for him, but they would move up for Jordan?

That brother, is known as lip service, fairly clear they wanted the Pass D upgraded and paid little in resources in the draft to upgrade the offense, they moved up for Davis, but passed moving up to take Stedman Bailey?

"padre31 wrote:

Now think about that for a moment, so if they really wanted Eifert, then wait until the 4th to take any Te at all?

If they really coveted Austin, then they'd stand still for him, but they would move up for Jordan?

That brother, is known as lip service, fairly clear they wanted the Pass D upgraded and paid little in resources in the draft to upgrade the offense, they moved up for Davis, but passed moving up to take Stedman Bailey?

Wanting Eifert doesn't necessarily mean that they found value at TE until the Sims pick.

As to Austin, try reading this again:

"The team source familiar with Miami's draft strategy said the Dolphins desperately wanted to pick Austin in the first round Thursday. Had they remained at No. 12 and had Austin been there, that would have been the pick, the source said.

And the source said if Austin had not been available at No. 12, which he was not, the plan was to select Notre Dame tight end Tyler Eifert.

So even without the Austin option at their disposal, the Dolphins were going with an upgrade to the offense."

Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/04/27/3367504/armando-salguero-upgrading-offense.html#storylink=cpy#storylink=cpy

The point is, if they stayed at #12 they would have taken Austin, but they were far from convinced that he's still be there- and they were right about that.

They took a shot at a trade with the Raiders, and to their surprise the Raiders bit on #42 as compensation. And when they moved to #3 they took the one player that they coveted more than Austin- Dion Jordan.

I don't consider that lip service. And personally, as I said, I'd rather have #12 and #42 than Jordan- and a big part of why is that I woudl have been all over Menelik Watson at #42, where he was taken with our pick sent to the Raiders.

I like Jordan- I'm hopeful and he's a great athlete- but I'm not sold on him.

Gosh thanks, like I didn't read it before.

I'll not argue, know when they are Bsing, and they are Bsing.

As soon as they signed Keller, Eiefert was superflus, if they had wanted Austin, he was there.

If they had wanted to "upgrade the offense" they would not have consistently moved away from offense for the rest of the draft.

Quoting an article, that is self serving, is just absurd imo.

Srsly, what were they going to say "we know fans wanted more offense, well we signed Wallace/Gibson/Keller/Louis screw them, our pass defense was atrocious and could not turn over a rock let alone intercept a football"

"padre31 wrote:

Gosh thanks, like I didn't read it before.

I'll not argue, know when they are Bsing, and they are Bsing.

As soon as they signed Keller, Eiefert was superflus, if they had wanted Austin, he was there.

If they had wanted to "upgrade the offense" they would not have consistently moved away from offense for the rest of the draft.

Quoting an article, that is self serving, is just absurd imo.

Srsly, what were they going to say "we know fans wanted more offense, well we signed Wallace/Gibson/Keller/Louis screw them, our pass defense was atrocious and could not turn over a rock let alone intercept a football"

What's absurd is you thinking that you know what Ireland and the FO were thinking. Personally, I would have preferred not making the trade for Will Davis and not drafting a kicker, using those extra picks on more WRs and OL. This is not one of my favorite Dolphins drafts.

But as to this thread- They wanted Austin, but they wanted Jordan more. I don't see what the big deal is. I have a bigger problem with not drafting Steadman Bailey, Wheaton, Goodwin Patton,etc in rds 3-5.

Remaining wish list is

Da'Rick Rogers
Xavier Nixon
Marquess Wilson

"shula_guy wrote:

So according to Amando Ireland was so desperate to draft Austin that he moved up to #3 and selected somebody else?

No, gheesh. oy vey.
It was looking apparently obvious Austin wouldn't make it to us, and the value to move up to 3 for Jordan was too good to pass up, so we moved up for the guy ranked even higher on our board whom we initially didn't think would make it to us. This is isn't rocket science. THe draft was based around reasonable expectations (IE: Tavon at 12 or short trade up), not unreasonable expectations of being able to trade up to 3 for a top 5 player.

"phinsational wrote:

No, gheesh. oy vey.
It was looking apparently obvious Austin wouldn't make it to us, and the value to move up to 3 for Jordan was too good to pass up, so we moved up for the guy ranked even higher on our board whom we initially didn't think would make it to us. This is isn't rocket science. THe draft was based around reasonable expectations (IE: Tavon at 12 or short trade up), not unreasonable expectations of being able to trade up to 3 for a top 5 player.

Finally, somebody gets it.

I get it just fine, I'm just not buying what Armando is selling. If you want to buy into it, be my guest.

"shula_guy wrote:

I get it just fine, I'm just not buying what Armando is selling. If you want to buy into it, be my guest.

Post #3 repeated here:

"Article says that Jordan was the only player that trumped Austin. It's hearsay anyway, who knows."

If the FO are collectively full of it, then Stephen Ross was in on it as well given the comments he made.

None of us know what the FO was thinking, but it seems reasonable enough to me that Jordan was the one guy they preferred over Austin, and a late opportunity presented itself as per Jordan and they took it. No mystery here, no big deal.

"shula_guy wrote:

So according to Amando Ireland was so desperate to draft Austin that he moved up to #3 and selected somebody else?

Ireland clearly moved up to take Austin…Irelands plan all along was to fool everyone into thinking he had moved up to draft Austin then not take him causing mass confusion until the Fins picked again in the 2nd round.

"padre31 wrote:

Don't be using logic and stuff!

Way I see it, adding Wallace and Gibson, subtracting Bess tells me they really like Matthews and Binns. Subtracting Fasano and adding Sims and Keller also say a lot about Fasano and MAYBE Charles Clay.

Thing with Clay, he produces points.

And maybe Thigpen more then we know.

Or like last year they failed to properly address the WR position… I really think the Fins need to add another speed guy at the WR position.

"mroz wrote:

Ireland clearly moved up to take Austin…Irelands plan all along was to fool everyone into thinking he had moved up to draft Austin then not take him causing mass confusion until the Fins picked again in the 2nd round.

Thank you - at least I got a laugh here in what has turned into a crappy thread.

"jim1 wrote:

What's absurd is you thinking that you know what Ireland and the FO were thinking. Personally, I would have preferred not making the trade for Will Davis and not drafting a kicker, using those extra picks on more WRs and OL. This is not one of my favorite Dolphins drafts.

But as to this thread- They wanted Austin, but they wanted Jordan more. I don't see what the big deal is. I have a bigger problem with not drafting Steadman Bailey, Wheaton, Goodwin Patton,etc in rds 3-5.

Remaining wish list is

Da'Rick Rogers
Xavier Nixon
Marquess Wilson

what are you going to give the Bears for Wilson… since they drafted him in the 7th round...

"mroz wrote:

what are you going to give the Bears for Wilson… since they drafted him in the 7th round...

I posted that an hour ago, and according to what I saw then on ESPN Wilson hadn't been drafted yet. I would have been happy if we drafted Rogers and Nixon, surprised to see them go undrafted.

I really wanted Eifert, but if Jordan can be like Wake, and Jason Taylor before him, than I am happy with the pick.

"phinsational wrote:

No, gheesh. oy vey.
It was looking apparently obvious Austin wouldn't make it to us, and the value to move up to 3 for Jordan was too good to pass up, so we moved up for the guy ranked even higher on our board whom we initially didn't think would make it to us. This is isn't rocket science. THe draft was based around reasonable expectations (IE: Tavon at 12 or short trade up), not unreasonable expectations of being able to trade up to 3 for a top 5 player.

I can't fathom why people are having a hard time realizing what a steal it was to only give up 2nd rounder to jump into the top 3. Whether you like DJ or not, the raiders were desperate and got bent over by that deal. That was GIVING it away.

"dcafiero wrote:

I can't fathom why people are having a hard time realizing what a steal it was to only give up 2nd rounder to jump into the top 3. Whether you like DJ or not, the raiders were desperate and got bent over by that deal. That was GIVING it away.

Maybe in a draft with a solid top 10 it was. Do you recall, ever, a weaker top 10? Jordan imo is a very good prospect, but not an elite prospect. In this draft #42 was plenty of compensation for moving from #12 to #3.

"jim1 wrote:

I would have rather had the #12 pick and the #42 pick.

For who though ? Silly to say you prefer those spots but not mention targets. I'm going to take the value we got on that trade 10 times out of 10. in this case I like Jordan over my hindsight picks.

"jim1 wrote:

Maybe in a draft with a solid top 10 it was. Do you recall, ever, a weaker top 10? Jordan imo is a very good prospect, but not an elite prospect. In this draft #42 was plenty of compensation for moving from #12 to #3.

It's a bit relative to the year, sure. But it was still a steal no matter how you look at it. Considering every single other trade in the first round had pretty much given up more than we did, or close to it (and they didn't get #3 overall). That's moreso my comparison than comparing to top 15 value of previous years.

"P h i N s A N i T y wrote:

For who though ? Silly to say you prefer those spots but not mention targets. I'm going to take the value we got on that trade 10 times out of 10. in this case I like Jordan over my hindsight picks.

I assume Tyler Eifert and Menelik Watson.

Are people actually thinking that giving up the #42 pick to get Dion Jordan was too much to give up?

It was the biggest steal of the draft. We gave up less to get Jordan than St. Louis gave up to get Tavon Austin.

There is no doubt that there is some risk with Jordan, which makes this even more intriguing to me. Jeff Ireland threw caution to the wind. He didn't trade up to get a safe player. If you wanted a safe player who is a guaranteed pro bowler, you would have taken either Jonathan Cooper or Chance Warmack. Both may be Pro Bowlers by their second year.

However, if you want a player that has the ability to be another Jason Taylor or DeMarcus Ware, you take Dion Jordan. When I see Dion Jordan, I see a lot of similarities to JT. Both have that long, angular frame with a great first step, long arms, the flexibility to bend the arc. Both played from mostly a 2 point stance in college. The thing that stands out to me about Dion Jordan is the leverage he plays with. That's what makes me think of JT the most. The aspect of JT's game that no one talks about was how he was able to use his long arms and flexibility to generate great leverage on offensive tackles that were between 70-100 lbs heavier than he was.

Much like JT when he came into the league, Dion has to develop a counter to his speed rush. His speed rush is the best in this draft, and it is because of how fast his first step is and how much depth he gets on that first step.