Vontae Davis given up rec. on 10/11 tgts for 143 yards & 2 TDs.
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gladsadmadNew MemberOP
dolfan7171New MemberWow...that's pretty bad to say the least.
Win, Lose, or Tie, I will be a Dolphins Fan Until I Die:up:
DisgustipatesubscriberI'm all for the trade but I'm not sure it's fair to judge him on what he's done so far.
CrunchTimeretired_adminEven Grandma would not approve.He obviously has issues which this regime has detected and which they dont have the patience to overlook .I suspect its the same issues he has always had even when he was drafted.There were plenty of warning signals among the scouts.
TrowaNew MemberIf were judging players on a 2 game sample size Drew Brees has thrown 4 picks and has a 71.6 passer rating. So he's clearly a bum.
jdang307subscriberIn a new system on a new team? Why not look to see what he did while here to judge him.
Mcduffie81subscriberWho gives a sh*t? We need to worry about Smith, Carroll and Clemons.
"There is nothing to fear, except everyone trying to tackle me." - Ted Ginn Jr.
MrCleansubscriber"Mcduffie81 wrote:
Who gives a sh*t? We need to worry about Smith, Carroll and Clemons.
Carroll's PFF coverage rating for the first two games combined is worse than Davis's rating. I will say though, I don't know how they arrived at that, because Carroll has a lower passer rating. There are other factors, I've just never heard what they are. I'd presume they are watching all 22 film of the games and looking at times when coverage is so close they QB doesn't even attempt a pass. That would not be reflected in passer rating into coverage of a given player.
“... I hope I never ridicule what is wise or good. Follies and nonsense, whims and inconsistencies do divert me, I own, and I laugh at them whenever I can.”
― Jane Austen, Pride and Prejudice
FinNastymoderatorHe got thrown into a new system with new players around him a week before the season. But clearly his first 2 weeks is a good barometer of how talented he is or not...
shourightNew Member"Disgustipate wrote:
I'm all for the trade but I'm not sure it's fair to judge him on what he's done so far.
What we can say is that his play so far is inconsistent with the belief that he was developing into being a better player, and consistent with the Dolphins' coaches' belief that he was not starter material and should be traded for the right price.
He's done nothing so far to suggest the former is true, and the latter is untrue. Whether that continues to be the case remains to be seen, but right now we can indeed say this.
BuckeyeKingNew MemberI think its unfair to judge him at this point in the season. He was traded before the final week of preseason? Not a whole lot of time to get acclimated with your new team.
Muckretired_admin"Mcduffie81 wrote:
Who gives a sh*t? We need to worry about Smith, Carroll and Clemons.
It's perfectly fine to discuss former players. Especially ones we just traded for a second round pick. Not like Jeff Ireland isn't being judged on it.
Your username is Mcduffie81, after a guy whose been gone a decade. ;)
Make the throwback uniforms permanent!
Mcduffie81subscriber"Muck wrote:
It's perfectly fine to discuss former players. Especially ones we just traded for a second round pick. Not like Jeff Ireland isn't being judged on it.
Your username is Mcduffie81, after a guy whose been gone a decade. ;)
I never said anything about that.
It's just that the reason this topic is being discussed.....again....is not only inflamatory, but extremely premature.
"There is nothing to fear, except everyone trying to tackle me." - Ted Ginn Jr.
smahtazforum_veteran"shouright wrote:
What we can say is that his play so far is inconsistent with the belief that he was developing into being a better player, and consistent with the Dolphins' coaches' belief that he was not starter material and should be traded for the right price.
He's done nothing so far to suggest the former is true, and the latter is untrue. Whether that continues to be the case remains to be seen, but right now we can indeed say this.
I have to question anyone that thinks this secondary is better today than it would be with Davis on board. What if Marshall is really hurt and misses time?
It's what you learn after you know it all that counts. ~ John Wooden
MrCleansubscriber"smahtaz wrote:
I have to question anyone that thinks this secondary is better today than it would be with Davis on board. What if Marshall is really hurt and misses time?
Oh, not to worry young man. Some of the fine fair folks here apparently believe RJ Stanford is about equal in ability to Davis. Or so I recall one of the Ireland defense team posting in the past week or so.
“... I hope I never ridicule what is wise or good. Follies and nonsense, whims and inconsistencies do divert me, I own, and I laugh at them whenever I can.”
― Jane Austen, Pride and Prejudice
shourightNew Member"smahtaz wrote:
I have to question anyone that thinks this secondary is better today than it would be with Davis on board. What if Marshall is really hurt and misses time?
Do you think Davis would be playing better for us than he is for the Colts?
Mcduffie81subscriber"shouright wrote:
Do you think Davis would be playing better for us than he is for the Colts?
It's an enormous possibility! What do you think given the circumstances?
"There is nothing to fear, except everyone trying to tackle me." - Ted Ginn Jr.
BuckeyeKingNew Member"shouright wrote:
Do you think Davis would be playing better for us than he is for the Colts?
Yes. We are hurt at depth at corner. Even as a nickle corner he is better than Carrol.
But hey we got a high pick for him and he may never actually "get it" but for the now it hurts.
WhiteIbanezNew Member"BuckeyeKing wrote:
Yes. We are hurt at depth at corner. Even as a nickle corner he is better than Carrol.
But hey we got a high pick for him and he may never actually "get it" but for the now it hurts.
We aren't missing Davis at this point man.
BuckeyeKingNew Member"WhiteIbanez wrote:
We aren't missing Davis at this point man.
Will you be saying once we play some actual teams that can throw the ball?
djphinfansubscriber"MrClean wrote:
Oh, not to worry young man. Some of the fine fair folks here apparently believe RJ Stanford is about equal in ability to Davis. Or so I recall one of the Ireland defense team posting in the past week or so.
Lol..
So much for jimmy playin safety..?
Is Marshall playin this week.?
shourightNew MemberOn a rebuilding team, I'd sure rather have a 2nd-round pick than a player who's playing the way Vontae Davis is right now.
Imagine it like this: we trade our 2nd-round pick for a corner on another team who's third on its depth chart, and he comes in here and plays the way Davis is.
Do you honestly think you'd be feeling good about that move?
xphinfanxforum_veteranI don't buy the new system would Ed Reed or Darrel Revis need to acclimate into a new system DB CB FS ? After all it's his profession and whats different man to man or zone? It is a new group of men around him but he is suppose to be a pro at it. I say his mind isn't in it like it should be.
That's why they play the games!:yes:
KB21subscriber"shouright wrote:
On a rebuilding team, I'd sure rather have a 2nd-round pick than a player who's playing the way Vontae Davis is right now.
Imagine it like this: we trade our 2nd-round pick for a corner on another team who's third on its depth chart, and he comes in here and plays the way Davis is.
Do you honestly think you'd be feeling good about that move?
While that is true, the thing that sticks in my mind was the improvement the Dolphins made relative to their pass efficiency defense last year over the final half of the season. During the first half, Miami was 30th in the NFL in pass efficiency defense and DVOA. Over the 2nd half, Miami was 3rd in the NFL. The biggest difference between the two halves is that Vontae missed 4 games and part of another game in the first half and played in every game over the second half.
The ability and the impact is there. The question is tapping it and getting it to come out on a consistent basis.
So far, a difference has been made. The Dolphins without Vontae are 26th in the NFL in Pass defense DVOA this year. Now, with the way he is playing, they probably would not have been better with him this year. However, our ability to defend the pass is in serious question. I think it is mostly on the safeties, but we definitely need someone that can give us what Vontae gave us on a inconsistent basis and do it consistently without the professionalism issues.
emocomputerjockNew Member"shouright wrote:
On a rebuilding team, I'd sure rather have a 2nd-round pick than a player who's playing the way Vontae Davis is right now.
Imagine it like this: we trade our 2nd-round pick for a corner on another team who's third on its depth chart, and he comes in here and plays the way Davis is.
Do you honestly think you'd be feeling good about that move?
There'd be at least 20 people saying it was a good move.
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