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Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by tirty8, Aug 14, 2022.

  1. tirty8

    tirty8 Well-Known Member

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    Skylar Thompson is definitely not who I thought he would be. When we drafted him, I thought he would be someone in the realm of Brandon Doughty. I figured that he would likely be cut and signed to the practice squad. Effectively, he would be a practice squad guy that we try and develop.

    After last night's game, it is pretty clear that we found real value in the draft. Don't get me wrong, I am not saying that we found Tom Brady 2.0 or anything like that. The one thing that I can tell you is that he certainly looks like he belongs out on the field. I also think that if he had to come into a game, I would not think that it is a sure thing that we are losing that game.

    This is where the problem begins. I pretty confidently think that if we cut him, he is getting claimed. I also do not think that he has any trade value. We could keep three QBs, but that is essentially taking a roster spot away from us. Worst of all, it could be an eventuality that we wind up cutting him anyway as players get banged up. I do think that there might be some takers for Bridgewater. I could see Cleveland and the Jets being interested. Side note - I am not afraid of the Jets getting Teddy whatsoever. We could possibly land a late round draft pick or another corner would be really, really nice. I do think that trading Teddy comes with a risk. Tua has never been able to stay completely healthy, and if he were to be out for an extended time, I do not think the season would be lost with Teddy at the helm.
     
  2. StaleTacos

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    He did things Tua can't do such as throwing against his body and to the sidelines. Eyes constantly looking up the field. Would like to see more.
     
  3. Bumrush

    Bumrush Stable Genius Club Member

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    Is this a joke? He can't throw to the sidelines as well Tua can.
     
  4. Rick 1966

    Rick 1966 Professional Hipshooter

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    I wouldn't be making this judgement from one preseason game. But if he's worth keeping, then trade Teddy or keep a third QB.
     
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  5. TheHighExhaulted

    TheHighExhaulted Well-Known Member

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    He's better than Tua posts already? That didn't take long.
     
  6. Vertical Limit

    Vertical Limit Senior Member

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    Being better than tua is not a high bar but i definitely wouldnt think much of skylar after one preseason game. Lots of third string quarterbacks did work this week.

    Howell was good for Washington.
    Perkins was good for the Rams.
    Zappe was really goos for the Patriots.
    Ehlinger almost perfect for the Colts.
    Easton Stick impressed for the Chargers.
    skylar for us.

    chances are, half of them wont make the final cuts.


    I think we will end up with 3 quarterbacks if skylar performs well again. But hes got to match that productivity. If he underperforms the next game he may be called in to our practice squad.
     
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  7. The_Dark_Knight

    The_Dark_Knight Defender of the Truth

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    I don’t know how old most of you are, but once upon a time it was quite common for a team to have 3 quarterbacks on their roster.

    Quarterbacks were also the place holder for field goal attempts/extra points…always with that outside chance a fake could be pulled with an actin quarterback on the field.

    Times have changed and keeping three quarterbacks on the roster is viewed as lunacy. I don’t get it. Everyone always says how important the quarterback position is and instead of keeping that 3rd QB, teams elect to carry an extra running back or DB or what have you.

    Now I’m not praising Thompson as the next great thing…not did I with Sinnett but these players are never going to develop if they’re continuously relegated to the practice squad. They’re nothing but punching bags and lackeys for the active roster.

    This I will say however, Thompson performed more than adequately last night. This with 2nd and 3rd stringers and it’s not beyond the realm of possibility that had he played with the actual starters, he might’ve performed just as well if not better. That’s what you want in a backup…someone who can come in and pick up right where the starter left off.

    In today’s NFL however, teams are looking for a backup that was a starter…key word being WAS. Why would you want a quarterback as your backup who couldn’t keep his job to begin with? This year it’s Bridgewater. Last year Brissett…Matt Moore before that…etc. you’re taking up a roster spot for a player that failed at his job. Why?

    Go back and look at the days of Shula. Even carrying 3 quarterbacks, those backups knew their role. They were the backup. Bottom line. They were never going to start unless the starter was out or the starter utterly failed ie; Woodley/Marino (although Marino was drafted as the heir apparent). If you’re going to carry only 2 quarterbacks, then truly make that backup position a genuine competition. It should not be a foregone conclusion that Bridgewater is the backup. Bridgewater should be fighting for his spot and genuinely worried that Thompson may indeed be named the backup…otherwise, what’s the point of having 3 on the roster during preseason…a quarterback you drafted really worth?
     
  8. tirty8

    tirty8 Well-Known Member

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    Did you read the post?
     
  9. OwesOwn614

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    Soooo... Will Lynn Bowden, Jr.'s ability as a slash player create the space on the roster to keep Thompson? He's capable on PR and KR in addition to being a legit backup at WR and RB. Add to that, he's a natural option to play wildcat QB. I think he's giving the coaches a lot of food for thought. I'm thinking his asking price on the trade market definitely went up after last night.
     
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  10. Unlucky 13

    Unlucky 13 Team DeVante Club Member

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    First, I'm not looking to bash or harshly critique a rookie QB playing in his first ever preseason game.

    Second, I think that Thompson largely was smart with how he played and what he did, and took what the defense was giving him, which is exactly what I want our QBs to do, especially so when its a backup filling in for the starter. Those were very solid signs, no question.

    However, the physical gifts were sorely lacking. His release is slow and his arm action has absolutely zero zip to it whatsoever. Having not seen him play in college, I was actually very unpleasantly surprised at his lack of arm strength and release speed. I didn't expect him to be Marino, but he made Fiedler look like good by comparison.

    We'll see how he does in the next two Preseason games, when he'll most likely be facing third and fourth stringers when he gets in. Hopefully its more smart, capable play, and then we stash him on the PS all season long. Then MM can determine whether he thinks he has a shot to be the backup in 2023 or not.

    But he didn't have the showing that would be me excited about even that.
     
  11. The_Dark_Knight

    The_Dark_Knight Defender of the Truth

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    I don’t know unlucky…I kinda saw the opposite. Don’t get me wrong, he did make a few very I’ll advised throws…as you so often see rookies do, but I felt I saw a strong arm…and his throws downfield had some velocity on them. I thought he sold play action quite well. I’ll admit I didn’t pay attention to the quickness of his release, but I thought he played well.
     
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  12. Galant

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    Here's another angle on Skylar, click the Tweet and you can read the short thread:
     
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  13. dolphin25

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    Wish Doughty would have been given the same opportunity Skylar got. I thought Skylar was OK.
     
  14. dolphin25

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    Coach seemed to see some things he did not like, but he did comment on Skylar being a rookie
     
  15. dolphin25

    dolphin25 Well-Known Member

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    Good point. I watched Zappe WKU play and thought he looked great. Hard to root for someone wearing that jersey for sure.
     
  16. Fishhead

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    Nice. Easy to root for this kid (besides the fact that he’s a Dolphin).
     
  17. KeyFin

    KeyFin Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Backing up to the draft, Thompson was the #1 target on many teams' UFDA list. He's old for a rookie (25) and he does not play like one- many felt he was capable of being an NFL starter on day one. Very confident, balanced kid. We drafted him in the 7th to avoid a UFDA bidding war, so know that we actually scouted this kid and like what we saw....it wasn't just a best player remaining type of scenario.

    Here's what McDaniel said after the game, "I have to check myself when certain things will happen during a game or practice where I’ll feel myself getting impatient with him because I’ve completely forgotten he’s a rookie. But he is a rookie, and to his credit, we rely on him as a veteran. It’s a hard thing in this league with a night’s sleep to go in as a starter – we were pumped to give him that opportunity."

    With that said, my main goal for the past two decades was to draft a prospect QB every 2-3 years and groom the kid to be a stud in waiting. We did that with Sinnett but I'll remind folks that he was nowhere near as polished as Thompson on day one. So maybe we have something, maybe not, but it's not Thompson's job to compete for the starter role today. His role is to grow and get even better, which has me really excited about him as a prospect.

    For me, pencil this kid in as QB3 right away, or move him to the practice squad if there's a way to do that while protecting him. If he's cut, he will be signed on another active roster...it's that simple. This kid deserves 2-3 years to grow in our system and make a case for being a future starting QB...and that's all we can really hope for as fans.

    Another McDaniel quote- "(Seeing him run the offense) was one of my favorite parts. At the beginning of the game, I thought the operation looked slow. They were trying to get the play in pretty fast and I don’t know what he was saying exactly in the huddle, but it was just taking a long time to get them lined up. I took the opportunity to tell him, “Hey dude, you need to get the guys in and out of the huddle.” He was able to adjust that – he did better with that while also taking each play, one play at a time. That was an encouraging thing you don’t know until it’s real. There’s a lot of rookies out there that I think felt more rookie feelings than he did, and he touches the ball every play. I’m happy with that. There is a lot to get better from, but he’s a stud. We are happy to have him.”
     
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  18. Pennington's Limp Arm

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    I personally like Bowden.
    His biggest obstacle is the Cedric Wilson signing, because Wilson can also play a little RB and throw the ball. And proved he is a gadget play magician in Dallas.

    I liked Bowden’s return work in this game. Hopefully that keeps him on our roster.
     
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  19. tirty8

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    He is one of the guys that I am keeping my eye on the most. I just think that on upside alone, he deserves a roster spot. Honestly, he has always looked pretty good when given an opportunity. He's so versatile that I find it hard to believe that someone as smart as McDaniel cannot find a role for him.
     
  20. Tin Indian

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    I'm not into anointing a guy after 1 game at any position but I will say is Skylar was better than I thought he was going to be. In particular his arm strength. From the talk prior it seemed he had the 2nd coming of Chad Pennington's arm. It's better than that. I think if we want to keep him he will have to stay on the active roster. No way will we be able to sneak him on the practice roster. If we want him we will have to keep 3. I would not feel good about letting Teddy go and relying on Skylar to be the back up, but that goes for just about any rookie qb.

    He certainly made some tough decisions for the staff and it will be interesting to see how it plays out.
     
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  21. Pennington's Limp Arm

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    I tend to agree with coach.
    Bowden’s TD was an easy wide open cakewalk pass. That was a Bowden highlight. Not a Thompson highlight.

    Bowden’s other big play and Thompson’s longest throw… the pass was a brutal underthrow. I think Bowden came to a complete stop to wait for the ball. (Literally nobody was even trying to cover him)

    Most of his completions were short underneath stuff where he seemed to be a second late getting the ball out.

    His athleticism was a disappointment. There were several times he rolled out of the pocket and looked like he would be able to run it up the sidelines. But he was closed on easily by 3rd/4th string lineman and had to dump down or throw it away. I expected him to be faster.

    He made a couple nice passes on 10 yard deep crossing routes that pop to my mind. But can’t remember much else that jumps out to me.

    Surprised to see a thread like this…
     
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  22. Unlucky 13

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    I'd forgotten about the fact that Thompson was so old. That almost certainly has a huge effect on his preparedness and maturity in being able to step in and play so quickly. Does anyone know what his story is? From what I can piece together he spent six years in college (in part due to Covid), and was 18 before his senior year in HS ever started.

    He's older than established NFL QBs such as Justin Herbert, Sam Darnold, Kyler Murray, and is almost a year older than Tua. Also just a week younger than Daniel Jones.
     
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  23. Dorfdad

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    Simple answer we keep playing him and if he earns the starter role you trade tua
     
  24. TheHighExhaulted

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  25. Dorfdad

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    What's the problem. What I am saying is that regardless of the decision we made to bring in a guy or draft them if we find a diamond in the rough and you can A get him cheaper / and B he is better than your starter for the franchise you have to move on from someone. I don't care where he was drafted or capital was spent to get someone. The object is to make the team better and if someone outperforms a starter than they should get that opportunity regardless of the position.

    I know a lot more goes into it but as a fan and someone not trying to Cover My Butt or save my job I would follow this route.

    I mean you do have to consider age, but if it's relative you trade someone.
     
  26. OwesOwn614

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  27. StaleTacos

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    Based on what? Tua literally can't roll against his body and throw. Makes it very easy for defenses to plan everything out.

    Tua needs everything in his body to be right. He can't throw on his backfoot or off-balance in any way. Even when he's not facing pressure, this is what happens when he throws to the sidelines:
     
  28. ExplosionsInDaSky

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    Not going to argue Thompson vrs Tua, but I really like this kid. I don't see a problem keeping three QBs. He's worth stashing at the very least, but we can't lose him. We took him in the 7th round, lets just keep him, let him develop and see what happens. This is Tua's run this year whether any of you like that or not. If Tua fails, gets injured, or just sucks, then that will basically mean the season anyway because Bridgewater can't win a game for you. He can manage a game, he can get a team 7 wins on the year, but he's no prime time player. You know what you're getting with him. Thompson...If the opportunity presents itself. As in...This season goes completely into the $hitter (which is very possible), should get a fair look. Do not expect that until the latter stages of the year though. Again, this is worst case scenario, Tua sucks or gets hurt, Bridgewater dinks and dunks his way to 13 points a game, we're losing to the Jets. Then we can look at Thompson. Hopefully it doesn't get to that point. I want to win, I believe in Tua, I think we can get this done. Thompson is a nice find and is worth keeping, but take it slow with him. Yeah, he's 25, but that's not exactly old for a quarterback. Quarterbacks have a long shelf life that lasts well into their late 30's and sometimes 40s if necessary. If Thompson truly shows that he belongs in this league, he will have himself a long career and eventually get an opportunity to play.
     
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  29. KeyFin

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    You don't think Bridgewater can win with Tyreek, Waddle, and the other speedsters we've brought in? I think just about any QB can win with this offense as long as the line is decent. Tua can win with this team if the line is still bad, that's about the only big difference.

    I do agree with giving Thompson an extended interview though if things go wrong and the season is lost. Or for that matter, if we're beating the Jets by 30 in the 1st half, give the kid some quality reps in the 3rd or 4th quarter. My big thing with these types of opportunities is that Thompson is supposed to fail, he's not expected to develop, etc. So there's literally nothing to lose here by giving him a fair chance of making the roster and competing for QB2 in seasons to come.
     
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  30. ExplosionsInDaSky

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    Key, I want to believe in this team. I want to believe in this offense. I want the same Tyreek Hill that we all saw in KC. I want Waddle to replicate what he did last year. I want one handed downfield catches by Gesicki. I want the run game to flourish. BUT...I have major concerns regarding this offensive line and the quarterback play. I just don't know man. They are going to have to hold up and get the job done. That's all there is to it. It's going to have to be a fair combination of the line giving Tua time and Tua making the right kind of throws. My biggest fear is that we're going to see the line hold up only to have Tua throw a duck downfield or worse...an interception because he underthrows a wide open Tyreek Hill. Everything is roses right now in the camp and preseason between Hill and Tua, but wait until Tua can't get him the ball and see what kind of turmoil this brings. Tua HAS to get it done just as much as the line needs to hold up.
    Now in regards to Bridgewater...He's a game manager...So was Alex Smith, and Hill had a decent run with him at QB in Kansas City, so I'll ease up on him. If he can get our best players the football in good spots to make things happen on the field, then I'm good with him as our guy too. Just don't expect a game winning drive from him, or a thrilling comeback charge led on the shoulders of him. He just isn't that type of player. For Bridgewater to have success, everything from the defense, specials teams, to the offense on down to the popcorn vendors needs to be in unison. The same arguably can be said for Tua, but we've seen him make chicken salad out of chicken scat, so I'll reserve that comment for now.

    I think this whole season can go one of two ways. Tua can stay healthy and improve, the line does their job, the offense clicks better then it has in twenty+ seasons and we sing our way into the postseason. Or...Things go south...Tyreek Hill doesn't have the same impact here, Tua is still out there throwing ducks, Austin Jackson is still trying to find his own *** with both hands and a flashlight, Armstead says "screw this, I'm going back to Nawlins", Stephen Ross ends up with dementia and starts inquiring about Deshaun Watson again, McDaniel turns out to be a serial killer...I mean, this whole thing can fall apart very quickly. We've seen this happen in the past with big offseason additions. As I said, this falls squarely on Tua and the offensive line. None of this other stuff matters. If not, then yeah...At some point we will be seeing Skylar Thompson throwing to Bowden again. Unfortunately by then, most of us will have packed it in. We'll all be watching Justin Harbert, Burrow, Josh Allen, and Patrick Mahomes lead their teams to the playoffs.
    I feel like this team is basically sitting in a pressure cooker at the moment. We lose to the Patriots in week one at home by some dismal score of 22-10 off the leg of five Nick Folk field goals and a Damian Harris plunge vrs our ten points (a defensive TD, and a Sanders 50 yard bomb of desperation) and this board is gonna lose it.

    FWIW, I'm with you on Thompson though. He's going to make it in this league I think. Very well could up a backup here with us.
     
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  31. KeyFin

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    That's the thing- we need to see it in order to believe it. I completely get that. I'm actually more worried about the defense without Flores, to be honest, so there's questions on both sides of the ball.

    But at the same time, I think this year is different because it's Tua's do or die season. Miami has literally been ready to discard him since day one and if he's not above average this season, my gut tells me that he doesn't return...at least as the starter. But then I look at the way we've bulked up this offense with true weapons, an offensive coach that believes in Tua, plus quality assistant coaches and it makes me feel like McDaniel believes anyway.

    Maybe the wheels do fall off the bus early- our early schedule is about as brutal as they come. I think 3-3 is a pretty good early indicator about the direction of this team though, since we have a slew of weaker competition throughout the middle games of the schedule. We should know in the first month if this defense is still legit and if Tua/the line really took the step forward that we expected.

    Honestly, I don't think the line will dominate early...and I think the run game is going to take 6-8 weeks to figure out. For me, it all comes back to that defense keeping us in games while the O figures out timing and blocking assignments. But Tua? He can throw quick passes with horrible protection, and we have 3 or 4 guys who can take it to the house on those types of throws. So I think we have enough to put up 20+ per game with the offense stalling/choking early on- it will be up to the D to decide if that's enough for a win or not.
     
  32. Unlucky 13

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    I think I might be the only person on here who doesn't think that 2022 is a do or die season for Tua.

    If he goes out and just plays absolutely terribly, or suffers a horribly injury, could they go into 2023 with someone else as the starter? Yes, the possibility isn't that remote. His job isn't etched into stone.

    But he's 24 years old, has 9m in guaranteed money due to him in 2023, and if he stays healthy and plays like a lot of people think that he's capable (somewhere between the 15th to 25th best starter in the league this season), then I think its very possible that he's in a Daniel Jones type of situation where the team doesn't pick up his 5th year option and he's got one more year to try and play really well before they make the choice to extend him or move on.

    I'm not a big believer in Tua, but next year's draft class at QB looks really weak, and I think he goes into 2023 as the Fins starter with something to prove......and then we move on after that. And in 2024, the League's QB landscape is almost completely wide open, with only a handful of guys really locked into a post-rookie contract with their team. So the Fins will have options beyond paying Tua 40+ million dollars a season. But they can ride his rookie deal out until then.
     
  33. Unlucky 13

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    To Thompson himself, I actually thought of someone who might be a good comp for him, should he make it.

    Brad Johnson didn't play college football straight out of high school. He graduated in 1987, and originally played for the Florida St basketball team. But in his second year in school, he also joined the football team as the holder for FG attempts, and would later go on to play four more years as QB, mostly as the backup. He graduated college in 1992, and despite his lack of playing time, the Vikings took a shot on him in the 9th round. He never played in 92 or 93, but did get into a few games in garbage time in 94 and 95, though through the point that he turned 28 years old, he had zero TD passes.

    Then in 1996, his tenth year since graduating high school, he finally got a shot to play QB in the NFL when Warren Moon was injured, and would then go on to spend most of his 30s as a journeyman "bus driver" QB, bouncing from Minnesota, to Washington, to Tampa Bay, back to Minnesota and then to Dallas.
     
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  34. The_Dark_Knight

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    This is all based on early analysis if you will based on only what we saw in ONE preseason game, but here’s how I’m starting to see this.

    If this is indeed a do or die season for Tagovailoa, then it’s a sure fire conclusion the Dolphins will once again be back in the midsts for trying to draft another quarterback. Again, IF this is a do or die season (I personally do t think it’s that drastic but…). But if we are going to be back in the draft market for another quarterback, as it stands right now, we’re screwed in that regard. Thanks Ross, you idiot! So here’s what I’m thinking at the moment.

    With as well as Thompson did play (again, this is all based on 1 preseason game), deal Bridgewater now while he still has some value. Deal him to a team that is in need of a quarterback and get maybe a 3rd rounder for him. We lost our first round pick so where we draft next year all depends on the 49ers…so we need SOME draft capitol.

    Deal him, roll with Thompson as our backup and let the chips fall where they may. If Tua flourishes, great, we have a extra draft pick to bolster shortcomings on the team. If he folds like a cheap suit, at least we’ll have some Capitol to try and move up in the draft if need be to get a quarterback out of what is projected to be a quarterback rich class.
     
  35. Unlucky 13

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    If the team thinks that they have post season aspirations combined with a QB who hasn't proven that he can stay healthy, you just can't trade Bridgewater.
     
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  36. Wilkimania

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    Does Bridgewater even have any value?
     
  37. Fireland

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    Well he has to be the best backup in the league so that has to have value especially if the right team lost their QB but I can't imagine the value being worth it.

    If they have to keep 3 QBs then so be it but they should not be starting Skylar Thompson with the roster they have.
     
  38. KeyFin

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    Here's my take, and note that I'm generally pro-Tua in most arguments. The success of this team hinges on the defense to continue playing world-class ball. But Jones and Howard aren't spring chickens, and they don't have a ton of prime years left in their careers. The time for us to win is clearly now- we won't have this complete D in place in 5 years....maybe not in 3 years. And I think that's why Ross and the front office tried to recruit every stud QB under the sun. It's not that Tua isn't good enough, it's that our window is closing and it makes sense to have the best possible QB out there, regardless of cost.

    At the same time though, since Tua was the 3rd or worse option these past few years (including Brady, Wilson, Fitz, etc.), I have to think that the front office isn't looking at him favorably. I mean, if he balls out this season then maybe all is well, but I'd have to think they're still looking to move on if he's simply average or below average. And I'd still argue that his limitations were more the front office than anything Tua could have done personally, but that part doesn't matter. The front office decides his fate.

    Personally, I think Tua will have a great year and all this talk is irrelevant. But if he gets seriously hurt or just doesn't play to expectations, then I think we'll go another direction next season. Maybe Brady or Rodgers, who knows. Maybe Jimmy G...I'm amazed we haven't signed him yet. We have the team in place to attract just about anyone.
     
  39. tirty8

    tirty8 Well-Known Member

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    Not a practice squad guy...
     
  40. TheHighExhaulted

    TheHighExhaulted Well-Known Member

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    Thompson has no zip on his balls, but he looks like a veteran out there, very confident in himself. Reminds me of Minshew a little bit. Light on talent but heavy in confidence.

    If Tua we're to get hurt, I still think Bridgewater would give them the better chance to win right now just based on experience.

    Thompson probably needs a little more seasoning.
     

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