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    We continue the utter dominance against the vikings thru the 1st quarter..

    Heres what Iam starting to see becoming a problem even though we are dominating, its something that we have been talking about all offseason and during last season..Just very poor execution thru a lack of athleticism throughout the interior line, its really affecting the whole offense in terms of consistency, the run game is just so inconsistent because of it, and the pressure that comes up the middle is making Henne a little scattershot..The combination of Jerry, Berger, Incognito is poor at this point, the simply dont have the athleticism to stay on their blocks, dont have the athleticism to get to the 2nd level and latch on, and dont have the athleticism to pull or look cohesive as a unit in that small interior space..Its early in the season so you can somewhat give them an excuse at this point, but I have a feeling its not gonna get better.

    Let me tell ya something, if we dont have the best Dline in the league, were damn close, across from us in this game is what some consider the best in the vikings, were outplaying them, Langford, Solai, and Starks are just so stout against the run, with the depth we have were top 3 at the least, if not better if you wanna go 1 thru 6..

    Iam trying to find a way our first round pick Odrick is gonna beat out Langford..To be continued??

    So far, during the first 2 games, when the opponent plays us strait up, they get nothing, its mistake's in the secondary, and some misdirection that the opponent will gain some positive plays, but when its mano e mano, we dominate...Lets remember that this is our first year in a whole new defense, and were one of the youngest starting def. units in the game, The familiarity with each other and the scheme should propel us into a top 3 unit and start to limit those mental mistakes, because thru a game and a half, thats the only way teams are gaining positive yards.

    So lets talk about the ronnie brown 50 yard run, which was right after VD21's incredibly athletic int at the goal line..It was a run right behind Jake long, Berger got destroyed and pancaked, did nothing to help the play, Cogs turned his man to the inside, good job, Jake cleanly moved his guy to the outside, perfect technique, and cobbs took care of the linebacker who was blitzing on the play..Ronnie for 50..maybe we should run behind the Premier Left tackle in the game more often, just for future reference.

    Watching Shancoe school SS24 a few times already, Sean's lateral quickness and ability to stick to his receiver in short space is still a concern of mine..There is no question in my mind VD is the better corner, and I dont believe it to be close, I think that debate should be put to rest at this point..

    The disease just killin mother grabbers all over the field...remember the play where he hurt himself celebrating after coming up and sticking the receiver...I love my disease..

    We are running the ball effectively in this game against a great front, getting it done.

    Misi deserved that TD in the endzone that ''Wake the beast'' caused, hes been bull rushin and harrassin Farve all day..He puts himself in the right positions..

    Dan Dierdog is gushing about our football team at this point....deservedly so, another dominating performance 2 weeks in a row....WTF happens to cause us to be a 7 and 9 team after these 2 games, I have not a clue at this point..

    Mid 3rd quarter, the play right after the Misi TD, Farve comes out, drops, Wake comes around the edge, gets held by Loadholt, and throws a pick, It was the dagger play, but former vike Sapp, gets called for offsides, offsetting penalties, play over...Still would of never made that trade with Cammy..

    The ricky williams fumble at our goal line right after Jason picks off farve was unacceptable....This is our unforced mistake that lets them in the game...disgusting by ricky, he knows better than that..I believe His boyfriend Ronnie makes a similar play later in this game..Ronnie didn't want Ricky to take too much heat...Isn't that special, ''Ronnie and Ricky sittin in a tree''.....jk..

    The play after on the 1, farve rolls out throws to the corner of the endzone, and out of nowhere, Karlos dives to make a beautiful athletic play, a play that I dont believe I have in my mental roladex of a dolphin linebacker ever making...Were very lucky to have Karlos Dansby as our middle linebacker..Hes the real deal.

    The next play it took everything for them to get that 1 yard to score..we didnt budge...1 yard of footballl field we gave up on a stupid mistake after completely dominating them..It was the only way they were gonna score against us, they could not drive the field on us, were too good on defense..

    Still have not been beaten strait up in this game and were entering the 4th...cheap *** TD..

    Cam Wake is a footballplayer, not just a pass rusher...He made a play downfield on Peterson that shows great open end speed man...What a player..NEVER gives up on a play, never.

    Its obvious that the ricky fumble at that critical point in the game, and the defense having only 1 yard to protect is having a deflated affect on the defense..

    Jason Allen with 3 interceptions today...3.. all legit from being in good position,The one thing I see why he may of been released is that he does lose his balance alot, and finds himself on the ground without contact, but if someone watched this game and predicted that he would be released, you woould be villified on the board...what a game he had.

    So let me set this scene for you...You know the ricky fumble that happened down at our one yard line, the play after Jason Allen picked off Farve at the goal line?,well, all the momentum had swung back to miami's favor, after Jason Allen just picked off another Farve pass on a 50 yard bomb, the offense takes the field, Ronnie brown takes the ball on a danty lil counter, and you know what he did, put the ball on the ground, completely unacceptable in that moment...At this moment and time watching this, Iam so insensed by both players at what they did during this game I think I would of benched them the next week if I was a coach...I swear to god...

    The 2 plays were so identical in context it is downright eerie...I swear both fumbles were completely unforced..WTF.

    Maybe just maybe, they both were our biggest enemies and culprits during the season..maybe just maybe this is where it all went downfield for the season in terms of chemistry..The trust factor and anger I feel must have infiltrated the entire team...

    I remember towards the end of the season when Ronnie called out his teammates and told them to be Men...well, you wanna talk about goin in one ear and out the other, you cant do what those 2 did, in that game, and say sh%4 for the rest of the season..

    Hmmm, the rest of their performance the rest of the year was below par as well..

    I smell chemistry issues stemming from the lovers.

    The fact that our defense had the mental resolve to make a goal line stand to win the game makes me so proud of them, and even more angry at Ronnie and Ricky..what a negative dynamic for the team..really makes me think..Karlos Dansby saved those boy's asses with his incredible goal line play..

    see you next weekend for game 3.
     
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    And just one last shout out to SS24...He made a great play to seal the game on Shancoe, read the pattern, made the move inside the route, and tipped the pass..game over, I dont mean to sound harsh on him, but to be as good as Vontae will be a feat..
     
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    I lol'd @ this.
     
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    I would've liked to have had Cammy back, too, especially considering the injuries to Brandon & Hartline while putting games on our QB b/c the ground game didn't work. Marshall-Bess-Cammy...... or Cam- Bess- Hartline would've turned out more favorably than Moore/Wallace as the #3. That alone is worth at least 5 extra QB points IMO.
     
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    Henne played a solid game..managed it well...
     
  6. GMJohnson New Member

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    If you go thru the whole season, I think you're going to be surprised at how many times you say that.
     
  7. alen1 New Member

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    If you go through the whole season, you'll see how poorly designed this offense was. Talk about being redundant.
     
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    I don't think Jared Odrick's going to beat out Kendall Langford. I think Jared Odrick is destined to fill Tony McDaniel's role from last year. He can spell Starks and he can move inside and pass-rush in nickel and dime packages. I know Langford got some opportunities to do that last year. I'd like to see Odrick get some of those snaps to keep Langford on the field more in the base defense.
     
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    Good write up DJ, you're on the money w/ all of it IMO. I know our OL get's a lot of flak, but watch how our DL dominates Minnesota's OL, and AP still goes for 150 b/c he's creating yards on his own. Dodging defenders in the backfield, breaking tackles, outrunning people etc. And when he does get a crease, he's thru it in a heartbeat. Ronnie and Ricky NEVER make those kind of plays. Not saying our OL is some top tier unit, but our RBs make them look worse than they really are IMO. Put a stud back like AP or Deangelo Williams in our backfield, and I think he could run for 1200+ and avg. 4.5+ behind our current unit. Give us a stud LG to go w/ the stud RB, and it'll be trouble.

    I totally agree on the fumbles, totally unforced, and totally the reason why that game ended up as close as it did. Both of them got a pass though. Meanwhile, if Henne had thrown picks in those two situations, he would've gotten KILLED for it. I don't understand it.
     
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    Totally agree. DJ touched on the 50 yd run to the left, where both of our best run blockers happen to preside. Our best pullers were Jerry and McQuistan. So what does our OC do? He runs right most of the time, with Incognito pulling. I don't like to bash coaches, they all know way more football than I ever will, but that IMO is inexcusable. We should've been running left all year long, not just when we were backed up and couldn't afford a negative play.
     
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    Regardless of who starts, we're going to have a hell of a DL rotation. Starks-Solia-Langford w/ Odrick and Merling off the bench plus Wake & Misi available as DE's when we use the 4 man line? Superb.
     
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    I know iam knee jerking here, but I think iam ready to give up on both players..unacceptable is unacceptable...I dont think I can forgive such illadvised mistakes...It would of crushed that team if they hadn't stepped up with everything they had left, to save their ***..My thing is the residual affect it may of had in the locker room...How dare ricky williams say anything bad about his coach after the season, he needed to keep his mouth shut...

    I know its sounds crazy and iam not saying its accurate but I wouldn't be suprised if the team doesn't want them back.
     
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    Agreed. You know what's interesting though? I recently heard a Nick Caserio comment in which he compared Jared Odrick to Ty Warren.
     
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    If we happen to be lucky and draft Mark Ingram, the stark contrast of styles between he and Ronnie Brown will make us cry happy tears..

    Unless I knew for sure Ronnie brown was in the best shape hes ever been in, I would let him walk...I think with his body of work we can all see why he was a backup in college..and as soon as he blew the combine up and elevated his draft stock, he hasn't worked as hard imo to keep that speed and quickness in his repertoire...
     
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    That's really interesting. Was it in the context of Odrick playing LDE as Warren does? I really like Kendall Langford, and while you'd like to see him get after the QB more, he's just a stump against the run. I could see Jared Odrick supplanting Randy Starks sooner rather than later. Odrick's just a damn good player.
     
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    Yeah, Ronnie has been a major disappointment for me too. I wouldn't mind him returning as a backup, wouldn't be excited about it though. He just has no vision IMO. He's always dancing in the backfield trying to figure out where the hole is going to be and time after time it's too late by the time he finds it. In his defense, Henning didn't use him properly (what a surprise). IMO Ronnie should have caught 70+ balls, get him in space on dumpoffs, screens etc. He has great hands for a RB and can usually make a defender or two miss, it also helps ease the burden on Henne by giving him a lot of easy/safe throws. It'll be nice to have an OC that knows/cares what he's doing for a change.

    You're right about Ingram, zero wasted steps, he hits the hole like he trusts/knows its going to be there and if it's not he has the lateral agility to find a crease somewhere else. I like R Williams and Leshoure a lot also, and I think all 3 would be upgrades over what we had last year.
     
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    Ronnie brown is a poor route runner at this stage of his career, does not bend and explode out of his cuts, he just doesn''t get into the art of the route, Iam so dissapointed in him i'am pretty much fed up.
     
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    I see Odrick being able to beat out Langford before I do Starks, Randy is a baller and a playmaker, an instinctive football player and still 27 years old..I dont see it Ro, and I like Jared, thats how deep we are, we cant find a spot for our first round pick...I think you have to use him first off the bench at all three positions, the kid is over 300lbs, and versatile...This situation bothers me because I know were not gonna get sh%$ for MCD after trading for him and developing him to be a complete football player with a 2nd round grade...Thats not the way its supposed to work from a front office perspective..If you trade for a young upstart, and you develope him, the goal is to get better value than which you paid..not in this case unfortunately.
     
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    Randy Starks' play dropped off a lot from his form in 2009. IMO, Kendall Langford was the best DE we had last year, and he's not going to go anywhere. I don't have the PFF rankings, but IIRC Randy Starks was near the bottom in run defense vs. plays coming at him last year. He's better vs. the pass than the run, and even that dropped off last year, and he's got some hefty numbers in the last three years of his contract, relatively speaking.

    Also, to be clear, I didn't say Odrick would beat out Starks, but I think he'd beat him out before Langford. I don't think it'll happen this year. I'd predict the D-line depth chart will look something like this:

    RDE - Starks, Odrick
    NT - Soliai, Chris Baker (one of Nolan's projects from Denver)
    LDE - Langford, Merling

    Given Starks' drop-off against the run, I think Odrick will steal some snaps in the base defense to let Starks be more of a pass-rusher, which he was better at in 2009 anyways.

    Lastly, with regard to Tony McDaniel. He's a solid rotational player, but I just can't see him as anything more than a #3 DE here in Miami. He makes some good plays, but he also had some really boneheaded penalties (the Steelers game off the top of my head).

    I also don't understand why you say he has a 2nd round grade...where's that come from? Considering we only gave up a 7th round pick for him, I'm willing to chuck that up to a loss to save cash, especially since we don't know that he would've played more than Odrick last year, since Odrick broke his foot week 1. I think it's telling they chose to start Paul Soliai at NT and move Randy Starks back to DE rather than keep Starks at NT and start Tony McDaniel at DE after Odrick broke his foot week 1. They still had depth at DE with Ryan Baker and Lionel Dotson at that time.
     
  20. djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Randy starks did not forget how to play the run Ronin, he had to switch positions last minute and you have to chalk his lowered stats to that if you ask me. Rewatching these first 2 games only give me more conviction that PFF is flawed in this situation..

    I give MCD a 2nd round grade, more likely 3rd, because I think with what hes put on tape thats what he would garner, 6'7 with great balance, size, youth, versatility, and strength..making a few penalties during the course of a season does not drop him imo..This man has emerged..we'll never find out his worth on the open market because he's a free agent, but I think the contract he will get in that open market will indicate his value.

    Either way, I think there is going to be some tough decisions to make before the season, in your scenario, I don't like the idea of not having MCD on the team and Starks comin off the bench...I think starks is a complete football player entrenched as a starter..If I was to play it out, starks stays at his position, Langford and Odrick battle it out in camp for the starting position, and if Langford wins, than Odrick replaces him in passing situations, and or solai..

    So imo Ro, you are underestimating Randy Starks and MCD..
     
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    Well, Starks switched back to a position he spent a year at starting before, and rotating at the year before that, so I don't think you can attribute a position switch to his decline against the run. I've got a feeling as you progress in watching the games you'll see what I mean with respect to his run defense. Towards the end of the year Langford, and especially Soliai were dominant against the run.

    And again, I never said Starks would be coming off the bench. I think he wins the "starter" job in the base defense at RDE as he was last year, but a healthy Jared Odrick (who won a starting job as a rookie at the RDE position, not Tony McDaniel) is going to steal some of Starks' snaps in the base defense package. Starks' best skill is collapsing the pocket and pressuring the QB, and that's why I think you'll see him a lot more in pass-rush packages this year as opposed to Langford taking those plays last year. I think when the defense moves to a 4-DL front (i.e. Nickel & Dime packages), they'll put Starks and Odrick in the middle with Phillip Merling spelling one of them if need be.

    I'll go ahead and guarantee Langford retains his starting LDE role for the 4th straight year. I think that they'll continue to work Jared Odrick in at RDE behind Starks. As for Tony McDaniel, I think he's better than Phillip Merling and he definitely proved to be a steal for a 7th round pick as compensation. That said, with the number of teams running a 3-4 defense now, he's probably got a better chance of finding a starting job elsewhere than he does trying to unseat Langford and Starks. I think Odrick is certainly good enough to win that 3rd DE role that McDaniel fell into last year after Odrick got hurt. To me, I'd rather keep McDaniel than Merling, but financially speaking, it's just not in the cards, and it's clear that we've got at least two guys that are better than McDaniel.

    All in all, I think it's a testament to Jeff Ireland, and certainly to DL Coach Kacy Rodgers for developing that talent...but overpaying to keep Tony McDaniel to be a 3rd or 4th DE doesn't make sense when you have Jared Odrick (former starter) to fill that 3rd DE spot at a lesser price this year, and Phillip Merling to fill the 4th DE spot, again at a cheaper price than McDaniel would cost.
     
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    Deej. I'm watching the 1st Jets game. Wait till you see our 3rd play from scrimmage. The first play is a deep pass to 4.5 Hartline who just doesn't have the speed to track it down and take it to the house like a true vertical threat would. Henne has enough time to throw, but IMO Hart's lack of true speed forces Henne to throw sooner to ensure Kyle Wilson doesn't recover. If that's Santonio Holmes instead, Chad can afford to lay it out further and let Santonio run under it.

    2nd play has Bess at flanker where his skill set does not translate well. Despite this he seems to be the primary target; unfortunately he's blanketed and Fasano takes too long to get open from my eyes. Henne's sacked.

    3rd play (3rd & 13) we run play action out of pro-set (with Ricky & Polite)...... only Brandon and Hartline run patters <in double coverage> while we protect with 8. JT still gets pressure and it's INC to a covered up Ricky in the flat. Beautiful play call!!!!! :facepalm:

    If we had a true #2 with speed (or at least could effectively attack & high point a pass over a DB), he probably: completes the first play; makes the 2nd play much more favorable than a blanketed Bess; and likely provides a better chance of success against double coverage on the 3rd one.


    Also, wishing we had the TE-Safety match up advantage that the Jets had with Keller on Bell for their first TD. It'd be nice if we could split Fasano out like.
     
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  23. djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Todd, when I say Titus Young what the first thing that comes to mind?
     
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    Not Todd but "overrated".
     
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    Ted Ginn Jr. clone. He's a long strider with great speed, but little ability to gear down and gear up, not much lateral quickness, and lacks toughness over the middle.
     
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    I think its a downright shame to let MCD walk without any compensation.I know there's nothing we can do now, but iam wondering if there was anything we could of done in terms of projecting a better turnout..for example, I wanted to sign him last offseason because I thought he was a breakout player..he turned out to be that..
     
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    They tried to offer him a contract last off-season but he said he wanted to test FA. Not much you can do there.
     
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    pissass, ur right..screw him then, lol.
     
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    Collinsworth repeats twice during the 2nd drive: "this will be a key tonight--- can they get something done running the ball on 1st down and so far they have not." and---- "they have to get batter at running on 1st and 2nd down or it will be a long night."

    Interior oline looks like crap on 1st 2 drives run blocking and pass pro.

    The 2nd drive looks typical for our season:
    1st down- 2 yard run.
    2nd 8- playaction with ONLY Hart & Marshall going out. <sacked by JT>
    3rd 16-immediate pressure/pass batted

    This is the stuff I've had a problem with--- setting the QB up for failure.
     
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    I think he's a great vertical threat b/c he can track anything, but I also feel he's more of a role player than starter. I want a playmaking receiver badly, but if the speedy vertical threats in the draft are few and far between, then I'd rather take Little and get my offensive speed from Taiwan Jones and Virgil Green/Jordan Cameron........ or pick someone up in FA. Little & Jernigan are tops on my WR list.
     
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    Ronnie and ricky flat out sucked last year, thats right I said it, sucked.
     
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    So did Lou Polite.
     
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    Jets completely out execute us in the 1st qtr on both sides of the ball...... and Keller is dominating the game. Clemons's personal foul extends the drive which NY capitalizes on with Keller's 2nd TD, 14-0). I forgot about that one. Tack that onto the game's BS point total along with the special teams stuff.
     
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    You know what----- I think that bothered me even more than Ricky and Ronnie. Crazy?
     
  35. djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    thats because he had to hang out with them in their meeting groups..

    Alen, how does daboll use his fullback in his offense?
     
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    He splits him out at times, sometimes no fullback. It wouldn't surprise me if Polite is on a short leash.
     
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    Polite is gone IMO.
     
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    Splits out wide huh?...

    ''Havili Havili Havili mother fu$#er i'am Ill''..

    Than I would take the best football player at the fullback position in the draft..
     
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    Ridiculous, maybe we don't run as many strong sets limiting his snaps, but to think he is gone?

    Sent from my PC36100 using Tapatalk
     
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    SUCKED is putting it mildly.
     

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