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Week 2 - Miami (1-0) at Baltimore (1-0)

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Galant, Sep 13, 2022.

  1. cbrad

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    Your aunt is never going to have testicles. There will be times the DB is looking back for an INT. Big difference.

    Doesn't matter. Like I said it's part of the game.
     
  2. Rick 1966

    Rick 1966 Professional Hipshooter

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    And if X had been able to catch that INT from Lamar, it would have been a pick six. It didn't happen and everyone's saying Lamar had a perfect game and lost anyway.
     
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  3. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    But that's been a consistent complaint about Tua. He throws late because he doesn't see NFL open. With a weaker arm, usually you throw earlier to make up for lack of strength.
     
  4. Tin Indian

    Tin Indian Rockin' The Bottom End Club Member

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    With all due apologies this is pretty ridiculous. Did you see the tight windows he hit in this game and others? If he is throwing late that won't happen. This is proposed by the people that like to bang on him, not real analysts.
     
  5. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    Tight windows can be a result of not having a strong arm.

    The throw into triple coverage I referenced is a perfect example.

    Nothing that I wrote was me "banging on" Tua.
     
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  6. Fireland

    Fireland Well-Known Member

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    These aren't tight windows because he is throwing it too weak

     
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  7. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    The specific throw I referenced, imo, was right because either it was late or because of his arm.

    Never have I even implied that EVERY tight window is due to for arm strength.

    I couldn't be any clearer... I'm very happy that he showed what he showed. However, one quarter or one game doesn't erase the past two years. He's got to repeat, to some extent, what he showed on Sunday. If he doesn't, that one game is relatively meaningless.
     
  8. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    your responses lack proper context imo and a general broad overview of his game..

    The first deep shot, Tua actually is shuffling to his right, the 2nd deep shot, you actually see Tyreek hit his turbo level to catch up mid route.


    Give Tua some time in the pocket and he will shred you..When you have the innate accuracy and quick release its all about giving him some adequate protection..lot of folks seem to give up on him without seeing that happen.

    Tua his first two years played behind the worst lines in the game by any statistical measure and some of the worst offensive football concepts in the game.
     
  9. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    Deej, you're making more of my comment than I intended. If the receiver had to slow up, then we can agree, it was not "in stride", right? All i was going was correcting a statement. I didn't say they were bad throws, or had anything to do with arm strength. I was simply saying, he did not hit him in stride.
     
  10. Fireland

    Fireland Well-Known Member

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    Remember when people here were dumping on Waddle? "just a possession/slot receiver" they said.
     
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  11. TheHighExhaulted

    TheHighExhaulted Well-Known Member

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    If you watch some of the throws, Tua has some nice sideline passes. I was told he can't throw outside the hashes.
     
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  12. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

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    Those people were morons
     
  13. hitman8

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    His sideline passes were mostly off the mark or incomplete. The ones he did complete the reciever had to dive and make a great catch to complete it. Tua's accuracy decreases dramatically the longer he has to throw it, and his lack of velocity means he usually has to throw it a lot sooner than a stronger armed QB would.
     
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  14. Phil Hutchings

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    Don’t all QBs' accuracy decline the further they have to throw the ball?

    Or is it just Tua's?
     
  15. hitman8

    hitman8 Well-Known Member

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    Yes, but not as dramatically and at shorter distances as Tua, and strong armed QBs can throw it with greater velocity at longer distances also. Tua is great inside the numbers, within 25 yards of the line of scrimmage, with a clean pocket, and enough time to set and throw, but outside the numbers and on longer throws, or throws on the run or off platform, he is below average to mediocre. He just does not have a strong enough arm to make the longer more difficult throws in adverse situations.
     
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  16. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    There was an adjective in there. "Dramatically.".
     
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  17. The_Dark_Knight

    The_Dark_Knight Defender of the Truth

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    I might be wrong…and I doubt I am but…didn’t Tagovailoa have a higher completion percentage on deep passes than most other quarterbacks in the league?

    Ya’ll’s criticism of that was that he very seldom threw downfield blaming him and his arm strength rather than the most obvious reasons…lack of receiver talent and time in the pocket to set and throw said passes.

    Some of you guys are just too much
     
  18. FinFaninBuffalo

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    IMO, on both of those throws Hill was so open Tua intentionally threw it conservatively. The worst thing you can do is overthrow a wide open receiver. In addition, as already noted, he shifted in the pocket to avoid the rush on the first. That affected the timing and his ability to throw with a good base. The second throw was good enough for Hill to barely break stride. Better 2 feet under thrown than two inches over thrown. Seriously, 2 inches too far would be a "more accurate" throw but who the hell cares?
     
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  19. resnor

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    Again, I didn't make that comment as a dig on Tua, merely correcting someone who claimed that those throws were in stride. Whether it was intentionally underthrown, or underthrown due to arm strength, is up for debate. I was simply pointing out, he wasn't hit in stride.
     
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  20. hitman8

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    His completion percentage on down field throws is good because he only throws it long when it's a busted coverage or the reciever is wide open. That does not require much accuracy or velocity.
     
  21. The_Dark_Knight

    The_Dark_Knight Defender of the Truth

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    :pity:
     
  22. FinFaninBuffalo

    FinFaninBuffalo Well-Known Member

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    LOL
     

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