Week 3: vs. Bills

When Luck WASN'T turning the ball over? He was turning it over all night. He had like two good drives, one of which was erased by the Gore fumble. Of course, I believe he nearly threw a pick on that driver earlier, but I could be wrong on that. I wouldn't say that Luck "killed" anyone last night.

"BicketyBam wrote:

And if Fitzpatrick doesn't try to force that ball to Marshall (7 catches 101 yards 1 TD) maybe the Jets win by 20. But I agree that the Jets offense is not very scary.

I think Miami beats the Bills this week. I am not sold on their QB. If Miami stuffs the run, they should be all set.

What about the first two games has anyone even remotely believing that the Dolphins can stuff the run?

I think Sammy Watkins is going to have a monster day...

"MonstBlitz wrote:

I think Sammy Watkins is going to have a monster day...

oh yea. might need grimes to shadow him. bills are going to kill us in the middle of the field.

"BicketyBam wrote:

Not to derail the topic, but when Luck wasn't turning the ball over the Colts moved the ball pretty well. The Jets didn't register a single sack (came close a bunch of times). Let's not anoint the Jets defense just yet. Cro didn't look good at all. He's been burned for 2 TD's in 2 games so far. Luck killed the Colts last night.

the jets are 2-0 and have beat good teams. we are 1-1 and just lost to one of the laughing stocks of the league. jets are clearly better than us.

"Phins_Fan_87 wrote:

the jets are 2-0 and have beat good teams. we are 1-1 and just lost to one of the laughing stocks of the league. jets are clearly better than us.

Jets beat an 0-2 team and a 1-1 team, do we really know they beat good teams?

"Stitches wrote:

Jets beat an 0-2 team and a 1-1 team, do we really know they beat good teams?

I know we didn't.

It's true...it is still VERY early and the early part of the season isn't the best predictor on how the season will go. It's just how the NFL goes.

However...going strictly by what our team has shown so far...it doesn't look good...and I think everyone here knows how much of an optimist I am...they shook me last week...I don't know how to feel, this has never happened to me (maybe it should have, but hasn't).

Two plays...two whole stinking plays are burned into my head out of several qualifying bad plays. Both by RT17, and both to Landry, neither of which make one bit of sense to me, please tell me if I'm wrong or missing something, but:

1. RT to Landry for a 7 yard loss, deep in the RZ against the Skins.

2. RT to Landry for 7 yards, 1st and 10 on their own 20, 40 seconds to go and no timeouts. IN THE MIDDLE OF THE FIELD!

These plays have me really questioning whether he's football smart or not...leaning toward not.

"PhinFan1968 wrote:

Two plays...two whole stinking plays are burned into my head out of several qualifying bad plays. Both by RT17, and both to Landry, neither of which make one bit of sense to me, please tell me if I'm wrong or missing something, but:

1. RT to Landry for a 7 yard loss, deep in the RZ against the Skins.

2. RT to Landry for 7 yards, 1st and 10 on their own 20, 40 seconds to go and no timeouts. IN THE MIDDLE OF THE FIELD!

These plays have me really questioning whether he's football smart or not...leaning toward not.

You're not missing anything. However, I'd add that each year the list of things Tannehill does poorly decreases, so maybe we just have to wait on this one.

What bugs me is this is the kind of thing you should be able to teach/learn over a few years at most. I once again think the coaches are partially at fault here for not teaching the 2-minute offense/good decision-making with little time left.

"PhinFan1968 wrote:

It's true...it is still VERY early and the early part of the season isn't the best predictor on how the season will go. It's just how the NFL goes.

However...going strictly by what our team has shown so far...it doesn't look good...and I think everyone here knows how much of an optimist I am...they shook me last week...I don't know how to feel, this has never happened to me (maybe it should have, but hasn't).

Two plays...two whole stinking plays are burned into my head out of several qualifying bad plays. Both by RT17, and both to Landry, neither of which make one bit of sense to me, please tell me if I'm wrong or missing something, but:

1. RT to Landry for a 7 yard loss, deep in the RZ against the Skins.

2. RT to Landry for 7 yards, 1st and 10 on their own 20, 40 seconds to go and no timeouts. IN THE MIDDLE OF THE FIELD!

These plays have me really questioning whether he's football smart or not...leaning toward not.

I think Tannehill has consistently shown he runs a 2-minute offense pretty well to very well. I've listened to family for years (from Marino as QB through Tannehill) yell why throw it short of the marker??? But, in watching other teams play, it just happens over and over. Both plays you'd argue should've gone elsewhere obviously, but if you think about the Packers last year, the fake spike throw from Rodgers was seriously dumb because a simple tackle ended the game. He's far and away the best QB in the game IMO, it just happens. I mean even Brady had that 4th down play against the Colts he threw short hoping for the guy to make a play (even though he probably had a headset in the helmet telling him where to throw :lol:)

I don't get why we don't use more hurry-up "2 minute style" offense honestly, I think we'd all of a sudden play a lot better on offense with a lot more urgency, the running game would pick up, and we'd have more of an identity.

"PhinFan1968 wrote:

I don't trust this coaching staff to beat UTSA!

Hey, watch it there buddy. That's my school and you're dissing on Coker. But ya, the team isn't that good because the program is still building. Plus they have to recruit all the leftovers from the other established TX universities (UT, A&M, TCU, Baylor, Texas Tech, North Texas, etc) plus the OK and LA schools. Sure there's a lot of talent coming out of TX, it's hard to be about 15th best option.

BirdsUp! Go Roadrunners!

"resnor wrote:

When Luck WASN'T turning the ball over? He was turning it over all night. He had like two good drives, one of which was erased by the Gore fumble. Of course, I believe he nearly threw a pick on that driver earlier, but I could be wrong on that. I wouldn't say that Luck "killed" anyone last night.

I should have been clearer. I am saying Luck killed his own team. My bad.

"Rick 1966 wrote:

I know we didn't.

The teams we beat are both 1-1, can't know for sure either.

"BicketyBam wrote:

I should have been clearer. I am saying Luck killed his own team. My bad.

I'm guessing he read "Luck killed the Jets" instead of "Colts", as did I the first time. Haha

"PhinFan1968 wrote:

It's true...it is still VERY early and the early part of the season isn't the best predictor on how the season will go. It's just how the NFL goes.

However...going strictly by what our team has shown so far...it doesn't look good...and I think everyone here knows how much of an optimist I am...they shook me last week...I don't know how to feel, this has never happened to me (maybe it should have, but hasn't).

Two plays...two whole stinking plays are burned into my head out of several qualifying bad plays. Both by RT17, and both to Landry, neither of which make one bit of sense to me, please tell me if I'm wrong or missing something, but:

1. RT to Landry for a 7 yard loss, deep in the RZ against the Skins.

2. RT to Landry for 7 yards, 1st and 10 on their own 20, 40 seconds to go and no timeouts. IN THE MIDDLE OF THE FIELD!

These plays have me really questioning whether he's football smart or not...leaning toward not.

The first one IIRC, he was getting chased out of the pocket and almost sacked, so he threw the ball to the nearest outlet. Was it a mistake? Sure. But IMO, it wasn't as bad as you're making it out to be. He probably misjudged how far Landry was from the LOS and how close other defenders were from him. Running for your life increases the chances of this happening.

And also, how many times have we seen Landry turn a 2 yard gain into a first down? I'm guessing that was his line of thinking. Throw it to Landry and let him fight for a few yards. But yes, he screwed up and maybe next time he'll think twice before doing the same thing.

The second play I didn't see it as that bad either. DB's were lined up deep to prevent the long play. He took what the defense gave him and quickly spiked the ball (though it could have been with more urgency). I was actually madder when he tried to throw it deep instead of to Landry near the sideline on the last play. If RT had worked the sidelines more he may have made it to FG range in less than 40 seconds.

"Vertical Limit wrote:

What game were you watching jdang. Youre a true homer if you dont think the jets didnt look good yesterday. Their defense would give us problems and they dont have their best defensive tackle playing until week 5. We will be lucky to score six points against that defense. And theyre winning with a journeyman quarterback.

Hey, I've gone from secrets Pats/homer apologist, to Dolphins homer lol. Their offense is meh. Their defense is good. Like I said. Other than Luck I don't find their offense all that good. No oline, no running back, no wide receivers aside from Hilton who should NOT be a #1. I'm not saying the Jet's can't beat us, or vice versa. I'm saying, watching the game I saw the Colts who played like crap, was in it until the final minutes even with all of those turnovers.

"jdang307 wrote:

Hey, I've gone from secrets Pats/homer apologist, to Dolphins homer lol. Their offense is meh. Their defense is good. Like I said. Other than Luck I don't find their offense all that good. No oline, no running back, no wide receivers aside from Hilton who should NOT be a #1. I'm not saying the Jet's can't beat us, or vice versa. I'm saying, watching the game I saw the Colts who played like crap, was in it until the final minutes even with all of those turnovers.

The Colts were down 2 scores for all of about 3 minutes the entire second half. I guess that is "in it." Overall the Colts didn't play well, but their defense did. The Jets had to work really hard to manage 100 yards of rushing. This was their home opener and they were fired up. It was a good win for the Jets any way you look at it. The Jets have plenty of warts, but they are much better than last year.

Somewhere I heard or saw commentary on the Jests offense. Twenty points off of 5 turnovers against a devastated Colts secondary. Three corners out and one of their DB's was signed from the practice squad on Friday. Not scary.

"ChrisKo wrote:

Hey, watch it there buddy. That's my school and you're dissing on Coker. But ya, the team isn't that good because the program is still building. Plus they have to recruit all the leftovers from the other established TX universities (UT, A&M, TCU, Baylor, Texas Tech, North Texas, etc) plus the OK and LA schools. Sure there's a lot of talent coming out of TX, it's hard to be about 15th best option.

BirdsUp! Go Roadrunners!

Nothing to watch haha...my kids go there, both of 'em. It's my 2nd favorite college team and ya...OKST just train-wrecked 'em, but they played well against Arizona (IIRC).

Go Roadrunners indeed!

"Aqua4Ever04 wrote:

Well I remember coming into the season the Cowboys and Eagles were supposed to be tough games. The Eagles look awful and the Cowboys will be without their hall of fame quarterback and elite receiver.

Dumpster fires both...those two games are looking a LOT easier these days...and so is Baltimore who lost Thuggs for the season....errr....I mean Suggs. With Nata gone and Suggs out for 2015, they're not as fearsome by a long shot. Flucco's playing like crap too. Add the Giants and Colts to that list, and the schedule "seemingly" has gotten a bit easier down the home stretch...

...but this is week 3...nothing is certain (except that the Pats look unstoppable again like they did in 2007...check that friggin' helmet speaker!). Brady seems to be playing the best football of his career...AT 38!

"PhinFan1968 wrote:

Nothing to watch haha...my kids go there, both of 'em. It's my 2nd favorite college team and ya...OKST just train-wrecked 'em, but they played well against Arizona (IIRC).

Go Roadrunners indeed!

The watch it comment was in jest BTW, if that wasn't obvious. That school has grown so much since I was there 20 years ago.

At this rate, suh is going to be dominated by richie.

"ChrisKo wrote:

The watch it comment was in jest BTW, if that wasn't obvious. That school has grown so much since I was there 20 years ago.

Oh I know...just meant to say I'm not down on UTSA...love 'em and support them quite a bit. Coker has a monumental task there, trying to establish them and get the program to thrive...I don't believe he's done badly.

It's grown a TON in the past 4 to 5 years, since they announced the program...it's massive.

Back on topic...how do you scheme around a line you KNOW will get constant, massive, effective pressure with 4...even with 3 at times...with this OLINE?! Jacksonville could've rushed 2 and gotten pressure...absolutely PATHETIC.

RT better wear extra pads...

It's a fair point that Buffalo has some former Dolphins that could be in position to make an impact on the game.

I'm sure we all would have been dismissive if someone brought up that Jared Odrick would be in position to impact the game against us. But he admitted that this game WAS personal for him, he had it circled, and he put on a ****ing clinic. That was the best he's ever played defensive end, exponentially better than he did when Coyle mistakenly played him there in 2012. Going against Jason Fox helped but let's not forget that he also beat Branden Albert cold.

So it's interesting to see what the likes of Richie Incognito and Charles Clay will do. Incognito for one will have this game circled big time. Clay probably as well.

I think the Bills pull off the win 27-20 or 27-23. But I also thought we would win last year, and you guys hammered us in Miami. We couldn't stop Tannehill for the life of us. Injuries might play a factor vs you guys, if you can get most of them back I think you can win. Also, the person who said you will go 1-3 vs Bills and Jets, although I hope it's true... I think you guys will split both. I think all 3 teams are very, very close. The Jets pose a real threat on Defense, but did you guys re-watch the game yesterday? If you ask me... The COLTS should have won after all that. After all those turnovers, I still feel like that outplayed them. Missed field goal, fumble on the 1 yard line walk in touch down. They beat themselves no doubt in my mind. Jets offense is going to have a couple decent drives.... but look at most of the game, nothing.

I think this game is more on the Qbs than most games. Bills need 3 things!

-STOP THE STUPID @$$ flags (10+ a game)
-Protect The Football and avoid sacks (8 sacks, 3 ints, although 2 were at the end of halves)
-Establish -throwing- the ball. To open up the run.

If Miami can play like they did last year against us, I find it hard for us to win.
Our weak point is our Offensive line, if they get to Taylor, they will make him look like a rookie. He had several bad plays last week due to pressure.