we're fine for 3 3/4 of the game

I haven't done the research, but I'm sure the majority of Sparano's wins have been close games (7 points or less). We just lose a lot of close games as well.

A couple of things I think:

-guys trying to do to much
-lack of discipline
-Wake has not made the impact plays he made last yr
-3 new players in the secondary

Stuff like that, also think Daboll gets to cute down in the red zone, DTRain was rolling, we try one run, then pass pass pass.

Some of these players just really don't remind me of football players. I see a lot of athletes out there, but also a lot of guys that aren't instinctual.

"bcfinfan wrote:

But when crunch time comes we don't know how to close out the game. That's a confidence thing and it stems from the coaching staff.
The players have no confidence in the coaches making the right decisions and as a result they fall apart.
And those include personnel decisions as well. Too many players coming and going so there's no cohesion in the separate units, like o-line and d- backfield.
It's as simple as that.

Jay Fiedler vs. Tom Brady December 22, 2001

Comp-Att-Yd-TD-INT

Fiedler 21-37-320-1-0

Brady 12-20-131-1-0

Patriots 20
Dolphins 13

"Jaj wrote:

Some of these players just really don't remind me of football players. I see a lot of athletes out there, but also a lot of guys that aren't instinctual.

The young players in the secondary, Jones, Carroll, Wilson, all are learning on the job and it is hurting us.

^^^ Terrible game.

Took me a while to get over that one.

"padre31 wrote:

A couple of things I think:

-guys trying to do to much
-lack of discipline
-Wake has not made the impact plays he made last yr
-3 new players in the secondary

Stuff like that, also think Daboll gets to cute down in the red zone, DTRain was rolling, we try one run, then pass pass pass.

One of those passes was catchable... just saying. Difficult yes, but still catchable... that's 2 weeks in a row now.

I would say that our offense is fine for 3/4ths of the field.

"Ophinerated wrote:

One of those passes was catchable... just saying. Difficult yes, but still catchable... that's 2 weeks in a row now.

True, but whatever it is, they have to do something differently, we cannot continue to leave 17 pts on the field.

Last week it was what..13 pts?

That is one of the reasons why I'm not willing to toss in the towel, in 07 we just lacked talent, this yr our talent is simply not performing their roles well enough.

Now THAT is fixable, in 07 there simply was no moves to be made, we were on "E" once Ronnie B went down.

"padre31 wrote:

True, but whatever it is, they have to do something differently, we cannot continue to leave 17 pts on the field.

Last week it was what..13 pts?

That is one of the reasons why I'm not willing to toss in the towel, in 07 we just lacked talent, this yr our talent is simply not performing their roles well enough.

Now THAT is fixable, in 07 there simply was no moves to be made, we were on "E" once Ronnie B went down.

I agree with you it SHOULD be fixable, but for some reason we are seeing it week in and week out by multiple "stars" on our team.

If that's the case it's all about that bye week when Sparano hopefully gets canned.

"Ophinerated wrote:

I agree with you it SHOULD be fixable, but for some reason we are seeing it week in and week out by multiple "stars" on our team.

TBH, I suspect they are trying to hard and making mistakes in so doing.

Will Allen at least showed he can still play, Tuesday is huge for him, if he is fine, then we can bump Carroll out of the mix, and hopefully VD is ready to go vs the Chargers.

Colombo left with an elbow problem, Carey had shoulder issues, perhaps the Oline problems are going to take care of themselves.

Wait Colombo has an elbow problem? Wasn't he in at the end?

"Jaj wrote:

Wait Colombo has an elbow problem? Wasn't he in at the end?

Took himself out of the game for the final play.

"padre31 wrote:

TBH, I suspect they are trying to hard and making mistakes in so doing.

Will Allen at least showed he can still play, Tuesday is huge for him, if he is fine, then we can bump Carroll out of the mix, and hopefully VD is ready to go vs the Chargers.

Colombo left with an elbow problem, Carey had shoulder issues, perhaps the Oline problems are going to take care of themselves.

You think Garner and Jerry can come in and do better? I want no part of John Jerry being in the game. Garner for Colombo, I am good with.

I think Cook can. I know Garner can. On paper that's a strong run blocking line.

"Jaj wrote:

I think Cook can. I know Garner can. On paper that's a strong run blocking line.

So, Cook in for Carey and Garner in for Colombo? I haven't watched much of Cook, so I really can't give an opinion on that move. I do know regardless it leaves an already "thin" offensive line even thinner.

"Jaj wrote:

I think Cook can. I know Garner can. On paper that's a strong run blocking line.

Yessir, that is what I'm thinking should happen, Cook is vanilla, but consistent, Garner is good, but much like Cook.

That maybe frees up Fasano, and gives Henne a bit more time, but it probably would hurt the running game.

No Cook is actually a strong run blocker. Garner is also a strong run blocker. I don't think it hurts the run blocking at all. In fact it probably gives it some mobility. In pass protection I'd say Garner is a little better. Still I can see D.T. racking up yardage with that line. Might give the team they edge they need in the red zone.

"Jaj wrote:

No Cook is actually a strong run blocker. Garner is also a strong run blocker. I don't think it hurts the run blocking at all. In fact it probably gives it some mobility. In pass protection I'd say Garner is a little better. Still I can see D.T. racking up yardage with that line. Might give the team they edge they need in the red zone.

Well, I was stunned when John Jerry played RG when Carey went out, with a late night looking at things, to be sure, imo Sparano may have his hand forced if those two are out.

Unfortunately our best player is suffering from BPD...Big Play Disorder. Another dropped pass in the end zone. Three in the past two weeks.

They're trying to prove a point with Jerry. I've seen Ryan Cook play football. He's the better player.

13 points in 3 3/4 of the game is not fine actually.

It's not at all fine. It's not however an accurate representation of the offense. This red zone problem must be solved. Why can't Miami try to run the ball in the red zone?