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Were the Apollo Moon Missions Faked?

Discussion in 'Science & Technology' started by FatFreddy, Jan 23, 2010.

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  1. FatFreddy

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    Do a YouTube search on "Apollo 15 flag waving".

    Who has a theory on why the flag moves?
     
  2. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    I've never really heard a good explanation on why the flag appeared to be flapping in the breeze. I also don't understand why we've never been back in recent years if we were able to do it in the early 60's. Surely with today's technology there's more we could learn from the moon, right?

    I'm not usually big on conspiracy theories, but I have to admit, I have some doubts as to whether or not the moon landing actually happened.
     
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  3. 2socks

    2socks Rebuilding Since 1973

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    no it wasn't....100% sure

    Mythbusters did entire show on it



    A flag cannot flap in a vacuum.

    BUSTED

    The Build Team placed a replica of the American flag planted on the moon into a vacuum chamber at the Marshall Space Flight Center. They first tested at normal pressure and manipulated the flag. The momentum moved the flag around but the motion quickly dissipated. In vacuum conditions, manipulating the flag caused it to flap vigorously as if it were being blown by a breeze. This demonstrated that a flag could appear to wave in a vacuum, as the Apollo flag did.


    http://mythbustersresults.com/episode-104-nasa-moon-landing
     
  4. texanphinatic

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    Solar wind.
     
  5. gafinfan

    gafinfan gunner Club Member

    My Uncle Willie would love you guys!:lol:

    WADR, of course.:wink2:
     
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  6. azfinfanmang

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    Was A Drunken Rebel?
     
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  7. gafinfan

    gafinfan gunner Club Member

    No, but he shore as hell believed that the Moon missions were filmed in the NM desert!:lol::lol::lol:

    He also made a jam up Blackberry wine, Rebel style!!:lol::wink2::up:
     
  8. unluckyluciano

    unluckyluciano For My Hero JetsSuck

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    you mean toilet wine like they do in prison ?? :wink2:
     
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    Wait a minute, I grew up in the NM Desert.
    Pretty sure there werent any Moon missions going on there....at least not that I saw.
     
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    gafinfan gunner Club Member

    You're a B-A-D man!!:wink2::lol:
     
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    Blue skies, helmets off. This has GOT to be the NM desert!

    [​IMG]
     
  12. FatFreddy

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    They didn't deal with the case of the flag moving from a standstill when an astronaut trotted by it too far away from it to touch it.

    Do a YouTube search on "MoonFaker The Flags Are Alive".
     
  13. Pauly

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    I've been to Parkes Radio telescope in the backblocks of Australia.

    It was at a time when one of these fake-umentaries had been shown on TV. They had one of the older scientists there talk about it.
    His response was "we pointed this" *points at 1,000 ton radio dish*
    "at that" *points to gibbous moon on the western horizon*
    "and got the moonlanding transmission".

    If anyone thinks they've got enough money to pay off cranky old semi-retired Australian astronomers, I'd like to see some of it.
     
  14. finattic79

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    Is this the same guy from the other site that tried to prove that we didn't go to the moon? Think it was like 2 yrs ago, thread got long as hell and nothing anyone said could convince him. This guy will end up trolling it.... Nothing u can say to people that believe that we didnt go to the moon. Like how we got all the moon rocks back that we have, or the laser reflector, they always ignore those facts that will prove them wrong in the end.

    And the thing that I truely believe is if we faked it, don't u think the Russians who we were in a space race with been extremely eager to get that info out that we didn't really go to the moon?
     
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  15. Frumundah Finnatic

    Frumundah Finnatic U Mad Miami?

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    Celt owned that dude.
     
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    Yeah it was hilarious reading that thread, just like most conspiracy theorists, they always deflect things that are proved, saying well what about this or what about that, and always answers questions with more questions.
     
  17. FatFreddy

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    All right, you've got me mad now.

    Here's some stuff that convinced me we never went to the moon.

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    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymwE1sNm82Y"]YouTube- Apollo 15 flag waving[/ame]
    (If this link doesn't work, do a YouTube search on "Apollo 15 flag waving")
    At the 2 minute 35 second mark of the video the flag is still. When the astronaut goes past it, it starts to move.

    There's an analysis of that here in this three part series.
    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zr76qSQ9ZQQ&feature=PlayList&p=41BF9062EF97A674&index=0&playnext=1"]YouTube- MoonFaker: The Flags Are Alive. PART 1.[/ame]
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    There's a noticeable difference in the body movements in these two clips.
    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdMvQTNLaUE"]YouTube- Moon Landing Hoax - Wires Footage[/ame]
    http://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a11/a11v.1101330.rm

    What I hypothesize is that a fifty percent slow-motion was used in Apollo 11 to simulate lunar gravity. Later, they improved their methods of simulating lunar gravity and started using a combination of slow-motion and support wires. The slow-motion in the later missions might not have been exactly half-speed. It might have been sixty five or seventy percent of natural speed. It looked better but it was inconsistent with Apollo 11 footage. The inconsistency is apparent.

    At around the 21 minute mark of this video the above footage from Apollo 11 can be seen played at double speed.
    http://video.google.es/videoplay?docid=4135126565081757736

    It can also be seen in this video at around the 30 minute 40 second mark.
    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8455110982587487066#
    It looks just like movement in earth gravity.
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    When the footage from this clip is doubled, the movements look unnaturally fast.
    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdMvQTNLaUE"]YouTube- Moon Landing Hoax - Wires Footage[/ame]

    Here it is doubled.

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G29WT2_y1-E"]YouTube- Jumping on the moon at double speed[/ame]

    When the Apollo 11 footage is doubled, the movements look natural. This makes it very clear that they used a simple fifty percent slow-motion to simulate lunar gravity in Apollo 11 and a faster slow-motion (around 67 percent according to Jarrah White's calculations) combined with wire supports in the later missions.
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    If you look at the acceleration of the object that falls from the astronaut's backpack and the acceleration of the hammer and feather that fall, it's apparent that the there's a difference in the way gravity affects the objects.
    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5C5_dOEyAfk"]YouTube- Feather & Hammer Drop on Moon[/ame]
    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AK2Fy85VyRg"]YouTube- Moon Hoax - Bag Drop A17 EVA 3 STN 8[/ame]

    Evidently the slow-motion speed is different.
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    Watch how the corner of Collins' jacket moves in this clip.
    http://www.livevideo.com/video/7720A028ADB54169962B6961582AEC2F/apollo-xi-the-little-gem-par.aspx
    (4:10 time mark)

    It swings back and forth the way it would in gravity.
    Look at the corners of the jacket the woman astronaut is wearing in this clip.
    [ame="http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=TejsnPThmd4"]YouTube- Discovery Crew Enters International Space Station[/ame]

    This is real zero-gravity and they behave quite differently.
    One possible explanation is that they were trying to fake zero-gravity in a diving plane and the plane wasn't diving fast enough at that point.
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    Look at the picture in reply #7 of this page at the Clavius forum.
    http://apollohoax.proboards21.com/index.cgi?board=theories&action=display&thread=714&page=1#14424

    The shadow of the rod is proportionally longer than the shadow of the bag. Evidently, that's how they got those pictures of very dark shadows--they drew them.

    Here's more on the bogus shadow issue.
    http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=11053&hl=apollo

    The moon rocks are often presented as proof the missions were real. There are plausible explanations that would explain them.
    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kSIlgQhUi9A"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kSIlgQhUi9A[/ame]
    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4AQQHTjeMkA"]YouTube- MoonFaker: Rocks & Crocks. PART 1.[/ame]


    People say the Soviets would have snitched. There are explanations for that too:
    http://www.youtube.com/results?search_type=&search_query=moonfaker+cold+war&aq=f

    http://www.nardwuar.com/vs/bill_kaysing/index.html
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    Well, why did they keep faking the Apollo flights, I still don't understand. Did the Soviet Union know it was faked? Why did they keep shut up if they knew it was faked? 'Cause a lot of people would think they kept the moon race going to prove the U.S. was better than the Soviet Union. If the Soviet Union knew, why did they let the U.S. get away with this?
    Well, I'll tell you - at the highest levels there is a coalition between governments. In other words, the Soviets said, if you won't tell on us - and they faked most of their space exploration flights - we won't tell on you. It's as simple as that. See, what Apollo is, is the beginning of the end of the ability of the government to hoodwink and bamboozle and manipulate the people. More and more people are becoming aware in the U.S. that the government is totally and completely public enemy number one.
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    http://www.apfn.org/apfn/moon.htm
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    The Soviets, with their own competing moon program and an intense economic and political and military rivalry with the USA, could be expected to have cried foul if the USA tried to fake a Moon landing. Theorist Ralph Rene responds that shortly after the alleged Moon landings, the USA silently started shipping hundreds of thousands of tons of grain as humanitarian aid to the allegedly starving USSR. He views this as evidence of a cover-up, the grain being the price of silence. (The Soviet Union in fact had its own Moon program).
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    Noam Chomsky's analysis of the cold war-
    http://www3.niu.edu/~td0raf1/history468/apr2304.htm
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    On the domestic front, the Cold War helped the Soviet Union entrench its military-bureaucratic ruling class in power, and it gave the US a way to compel its population to subsidise high-tech industry. It isn't easy to sell all that to the domestic populations. The technique used was the old stand-by-fear of a great enemy.
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    It someone were to make a deathbed statement saying the moon missions were faked, the press would never report it as the press is controlled.
    http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Media/media_watch.html
    http://www.youtube.com/results?search_type=&search_query=chomsky+media&aq=f
    http://www.youtube.com//watch?v=bbnxsPgcsH0

    Also, it would be downright dangerous for someone to come forward. Look what happened to these guys.
    [ame="http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=ZfYBJFPuiwE"]http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=ZfYBJFPuiwE[/ame]
    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipKyUVuQ2Uk"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipKyUVuQ2Uk[/ame]

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    Here are some videos.

    http://es.youtube.com/results?search_query=moonfaker&search_type=&aq=f
    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6MvcIs4OcQ"]YouTube- Apollo Moon Hoax? Dr. David Groves Analysis[/ame]
    [ame="http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=EQj-Mh__fRc"]YouTube- Apollo Moon Hoax? Spotlights, Fall-off, Camera Angles[/ame]
    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vENebR5hsRs"]YouTube- Shuttle at the van Allen Belts[/ame]
    [ame="http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=rhoWabHSm_g"]YouTube- Moon Hoax- The Lies In Your Visors[/ame]
    [ame="http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=1gD2P-Po_Gk"]YouTube- Moon Hoax- The Lies In Your Visors-Addendum[/ame]
    [ame="http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=EaV7QB_ReTw"]YouTube- Moon Landing Hoax-One Giant Spotlight For Mankind[/ame]
    [ame="http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=0ohDdNRq2Og"]YouTube- Broadcast Yourself.[/ame]
    http://www.thule.org/brains/moon.rm
    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmIWhzTzLn0"]YouTube- Moon hoax - Wire Supports (Mythbusters)[/ame]
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    What Happened on the Moon" (documentary)
    Part 1
    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3622009579385499503
    Part 2
    http://video.google.es/videoplay?docid=-3186616594425246748
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    Here are some articles.

    http://www.nardwuar.com/vs/bill_kaysing/
    http://www.apfn.org/apfn/moon.htm
    http://www.aulis.com/skeleton.html
    http://erichufschmid.net/Interview-with-Bart-Sibrel.html
    http://www.geocities.com/apollotruth/
    http://www.aulis.com/investigation.htm
    http://www.reddit.com/domain/northerntruthseeker.blogspot.com
    http://northerntruthseeker.blogspot.com/2008/11/project-apollo-what-were-they-thinking_24.html
    http://pseudonautics.blogspot.com/2008/11/disinformation-techniques.html
    http://www.ufos-aliens.co.uk/cosmicapollo.html

    The astronauts look pretty nervous at the press conference.
    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RcKLAo62Ro"]YouTube- Clip of Apollo 11 press conference[/ame]

    Here's a link to the entire conference.
    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1535324572487804641

    This keeps going on and offline so if this link is dead, try googling "Apollo 11 press conference".

    Their behavior look pretty suspicious here too. It begins in the second half of the video.
    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2265515730495966561


    The main reason they had to fake it was probably space radiation. Here are some articles and videos I've found on the subject.

    http://www.geocities.com/apollotruth/
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    There is an old saying that "A liar needs a good memory". Nowhere is this more true than in the Apollo program. NASA tell lies to cover up previous lies, and other discrepancies uncovered by people investigating the Moon landings. Altering previous data, removing photographs, and retracting statements made, only re-enforces the evidence that NASA are on the run, and being forced into a corner to which they cannot escape. The actions of those under investigation makes the investigator more aware they are bluffing. The longer that person, or persons, who make the extravagant claims continue, the more lies they have to tell in order to counteract it, until it reaches the point where it becomes ridiculous. That point was passed in July 1999, when NASA officials were questioned about the Moon landings on television. They dodged the all important questions like a drifter dodges the heat.
    Many Apollo astronauts have long since died, as to have many of the original NASA officials involved in the scam, consequently current officials, who know that Apollo was a fake, have not quite got it right when talking openly in public. Perhaps the biggest slip of the tongue was made by NASA Chief Dan Goldin when interviewed by UK TV journalist Sheena McDonald in 1994. He said that mankind cannot venture beyond Earth orbit, 250 miles into space, until they can find a way to overcome the dangers of cosmic radiation. He must have forgot that they supposedly sent 27 astronauts 250,000 miles outside Earth orbit 36 years earlier.
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    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vENebR5hsRs"]YouTube- Shuttle at the van Allen Belts[/ame]
    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZ65d30kYME"]YouTube- Van Allen radiation belt (Part1)[/ame]

    two sets of radiation data
    http://hey_223.tripod.com/bulldoglebeautaketooooo/id82.html
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    To prove his thesis, Rene tries to get certain solar data from NATIONAL
    OCEANIC & ATMOSPHERIC ADMINISTRATION, (NOAA) using clever techniques
    to
    disguise his true intentions, [i.e. to get true data on solar flares.] NOAA,
    unfortunately, proved to be as cagey as Rene in dodging the giving out of any
    really good DETAILS on this matter, [you know, where the devil resides.]
    Rene, seeing games being played, deduced that there must be two sets of data,
    one which is sent to scientists on the preferred list, and one sent to the
    likes of Rene as casual strangers. (p.125)
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    http://ocii.com/~dpwozney/apollo5.htm
    http://www.erichufschmid.net/MoreInfoForScienceChallenge.html
    http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=9659&hl=apollo
    http://pseudonautics.blogspot.com/

    These two are important
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    http://www.buzzcreek.com/grade-a/MOON/articles1.htm
    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2rotplZn0g"]YouTube- MoonFaker: Exhibit C. PART 5[/ame]
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    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKB5u_VTt6M"]YouTube- Lunarcy: NASA's Radiation Problem[/ame]
    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcytzf7PkRA"]YouTube- Lunarcy: NASA's Radiation Problem II[/ame]
    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6DhY1NvmIc"]YouTube- Lunarcy: NASA's Radiation Problem 2.5 4 Dummies[/ame]
    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1ltWMbHdDU"]YouTube- Lunarcy: NASA's Radiation Problem III (Major Solar Flares)[/ame]
    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mnckudD9oa8"]YouTube- Lunarcy: NASA's Radiation Problem 3.5 Addendum[/ame]
    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LiTzo3G_hvo"]YouTube- Lunarcy: NASA's Radiation Problem IV (Radiation Everywhere)[/ame]
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    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFiIR7hA1rM"]YouTube- Lunarcy: NASA's Radiation Problem 4.5[/ame]
    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=toI1Xw9paW4"]YouTube- MoonFaker: Cold War II. PART 2[/ame]
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    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xlKooAbKpM"]YouTube- MoonFaker: Radioactive Anomaly. PART 1.[/ame]
    (23 parts)

    The Chinese space walks were obviously faked in a water tank and NASA's official position is that the Chinese space walks were real.
    [ame="http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=NVbBFwdmldA"]YouTube- Proof China Faked Their Spacewalk[/ame]
    [ame="http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=kG4Z_r38ZDE"]YouTube- About paper and bubbles of ShenzhouVII[/ame]
    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Us8xLsQ1MIE"]YouTube- FAKED Chinese Spacewalk !!! Under Water !!! PROOF !!! (part 1)[/ame]
    http://en.epochtimes.com/n2/content/view/5809/
    http://en.epochtimes.com/n2/content/view/8332/

    The pro-Apollo posters at the forums of both the "Clavius" and "Bad Astronomy" websites tap danced around the evidence that the Chinese space walk was faked because they have to agree with the official US government version and they can't say it was faked without looking silly. Here are the threads. They're hilarious.

    http://www.bautforum.com/conspiracy...tions-china-but-live-tv-launch-broadcast.html
    http://apollohoax.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=othertheories&action=display&thread=2206

    They pretty much destroyed the credibility of those two sites when they didn't seriously address the evidence.
    http://www.opposingdigits.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1222

    It's pretty clear that they're government damage-control sites.

    Here's some good research if anyone wants to delve further.
    http://s1.zetaboards.com/LooseChangeForums/single/?p=48603&t=51606

    On this thread there's a debate between Jarrah White and Jay Windley.
    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0446557/board/thread/133905495?p=1

    Jay Windley is the most famous pro-Apollo person on the internet.
    http://www.clavius.org/about.html

    Jarrah White is the main hoax-believer on the internet.
    http://www.youtube.com/results?search_type=&search_query=moonfaker&aq=f
     
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    Or they post the longest post ever posted which includes 7241 links and 600 you tube videos:pointlol:
     
  19. Section126

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    Screw this...we gotta get to the bottom of this Chupacabra mess.

    Once we figure that one out, we can move onto this moon landing hoax.
     
  20. HardKoreXXX

    HardKoreXXX Insensitive to the Touch

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    The Russians would've been all over us if they suspected it was fake.
     
  21. gunn34

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    That's alot of stuff to look at. I just spent too many hours at work looking at this. I now think it was fake though.
     
  22. azfinfanmang

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    No! No!
    Didn't you read?
    The Goverments are ALL collectively getting one over on us.
    The entire War on terrorism is actually another Govt that doesn't want to keep it secret anymore.
    Pretty sure Iran and N Korea havw been threatening to let the cat out of the bag, therefore, public enemy #1.
    I am gonna duck now, cause he already stated he is starting to get mad. I am terrified of the Youtube he could pull up of me....or somebody he associates me with.
    Now then, if you will excuse me, I have to be fitted for my new tinfoil hat :shifty:
     
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  23. jason8er

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    Well, the moon actually does have an atmosphere. It has gravity, and so, an escape velocity that heavier gases can't achieve. Whether it's enough to cause enough stir to move that flag, I don't know. But, that may be a moot point, as the flag starts to move before he even passes it, and hence, before his "wake" could even disturb it.

    My guess is that the astronaut, running in those clumsy boots, kicked up some soil or pebbles into the pole, or the flag itself.
     
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  24. azfinfanmang

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    Nah, that would ruin everything. :pity:
    Although, it obviously isn't the typical 32ft/sec/sec we are acustomed to, there is obviously a force involved. Space is defined as "perfect vacuum" but that is not accurate. Just like graphing to zero, it all depends on your resolution, and obviously, the surface of the moon is much further from "Perfect Vacuum" than deep outer space void of mass.
    But hey, what do I know?
     
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  25. Vengeful Odin

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    Breaking - This just in - MICHEAL JACKSON TIME TRAVELS ABOARD APOLLO!

    Take a look at what Bad Astronomy has uncovered, after all these years!

    [​IMG]

    [​IMG]

    The truth is out there ...
     
  26. Coral Reefer

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    This again?? :rolleyes:


    The space shuttle is fake to.

    It's actually a milk carton they shoot up into the atmosphere and manipulate the footage.

    This issue has always struck me as completely absurd.
     
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  27. azfinfanmang

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    Rubber band propellant as opposed to Solid Rocket fuel?
    Brilliant.
     
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  28. Pagan

    Pagan Metal & a Mustang

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    Wow...after trying to read through all those links and youtube videos, I'm come to one brilliant take on the whole "lunar landing conspiracy"....

    Zzzzzzzzzz.....
     
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  29. Celtkin

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    Every argument you have made has disputed ad nauseum.

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MunPi3ifqpw"]YouTube- APOLLO 11: PROOF OF MOON LANDING[/ame]

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wym04J_3Ls0"]YouTube- Mythbusters Moon Landing photo hoax 1[/ame]
    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtWMz51eL0Y"]YouTube- Mythbusters Moon Landing photo hoax 2[/ame]
     
  30. finattic79

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    This has to be the same guy from the other site, he posts just like him, and was a troll from the get go as well. This guy is only trying to get a jump out of everyone.
     
  31. Phinz420

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    The thing is, there are people who will believe anything. Then they go find some nut's rantings on the net and help spread it like wildfire. Once this happens they all sound the same, and generally always ignore any kind of rational counter-argument in favor of spewing more links to batty sources.

    In my time spent with 9/11 Conspiracy nuts, it was almost like they were all the same person. I could even anticipate some of the long-debunked responses from them based on the topic of discussion because of this. It was both amusing, and very sad.
     
  32. adamprez2003

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    i think the dolphins losing games was also fake. I think the truth is we are 960-0 in the last 960 games. No other team has won a Super Bowl but us. This is my theory and I am sticking to it
     
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  33. BigDogsHunt

    BigDogsHunt Enough talk...prove it!

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    But do you have 30 craptastic youtube videos and nutso scientists harping your bogus truth?? If not, this thread has no use for you.......good day to you sir!:wink2:
     
  34. adamprez2003

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    :lol: actually a pretty cool movie
     
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  35. adamprez2003

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    youtube is part of the global conspiracy. They were funded by international bankers. need i say more :shifty:
     
  36. BigDogsHunt

    BigDogsHunt Enough talk...prove it!

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    I said good day!!!!!:tantrum:




    :hi5:
     
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  37. FatFreddy

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    Mistakes have been made by hoax believers and they have been shown to be mistakes. This is an exapmple of a real mistake being correctly shown to be a mistake.
    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAcXBT-GZCo"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAcXBT-GZCo[/ame]

    Pointing out that mistake doesn't disprove the hoax theory though as there's still the issue of whether the light source is natural, or not.

    The rest of Mythbusters is just an attempt at damage-control to counter all the hoax evidence that's available on the internet now. Mythbusters puts forth alternative explanations for the anomalies but that doesn't make the anomaly go away. We just have another possible explanation.

    There are a lot of government damage-control sites that claim to debunk the other anomalies. All they do is put forward alternative explanations and then consider them to be debunked as Mythbusters does.

    Clavius puts forth a theory for the crosshairs anomaly.
    http://library.thinkquest.org/03oct/00181/crosshair-1.jpg
    http://www.clavius.org/photoret.html

    This doesn't prove the pictures weren't doctored. It's still possible that they were doctored.

    I don't find the Clavius expanation of the "No crater" anomalie very convincing.
    http://thoughtworld.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/picture1.jpg
    http://www.clavius.org/techcrater.html
    http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=moonfaker+no+crater&search_type=&aq=f

    There are some things they haven't come close to debunking even though they have the attitude that they have debunked them such as the way the flag waves when nobody touches it in this clip.
    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1UEv2PIzl4"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1UEv2PIzl4[/ame]
    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zr76qSQ9ZQQ&feature=PlayList&p=41BF9062EF97A674&index=0&playnext=1"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zr76qSQ9ZQQ&feature=PlayList&p=41BF9062EF97A674&index=0&playnext=1[/ame]

    I've never seen this explained satisfactorily.

    Somebody post a piece of evidence that he or she thinks proves they went to the moon and we can talk about whether it's really proof. I've never seen any proof that the landings were real but I've seen a lot of proof that at least some of the footage was faked. Why would they fake just part of it if they really went?

    Here's another link.
    http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Moon_Hoax

    Here are two articles.

    http://pseudonautics.blogspot.com/2008/11/disinformation-techniques.html
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    There are a lot of people who make false and idiotic claims about Apollo pictures. They thus provide debunkers with much needed food.
    Without this debunker food, they would have to address the real issues, something which they would rather avoid. These issues include:
    Lack of star pictures,
    Missing technical data,
    Reliability issues.
    But these are "soft" issues, that is, issues involving expected human behavior. In a topic as controversial as the Apollo program, only hard technical arguments have sufficient convincing power. Here are such issues:
    Radiation,
    Missing landing blast crater,
    Missing sound,
    Instantaneous craft kinematics.
    Contrary to what a quick glance might lead you to believe, debunker sites such as Clavius do not properly address those issues. When they face debunker food or legitimate errors on the part of hoax theorists, they make well-reasoned arguments and show all their technical knowledge in a pedagogical manner.
    Yet, strangely, on those above issues, their responses are not in line with what their competence as displayed in other answers might lead us to expect. They lack technical details and are instead full of handwaving, appeals to authority and fallacious reasoning, such as relying on NASA-provided measured radiation doses to prove that the passage thru the belts was not dangerous.
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    http://northerntruthseeker.blogspot.com/2008/10/project-apollo-art-of-deception.html
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    Recently, some people came up to me and said that I was full of BS, because to them, the Discovery Channel show "Mythbusters" blew the entire Apollo Hoax theory to pieces.

    I have viewed the show, and my take on the "Mythbusters" is this: They are well paid by US government agencies to push through propaganda when necessary! It must be stated clearly that the Discovery Channel is well funded by US agencies, especially NASA! If you stop and think about it, the episodes about "busting the Apollo Hoax theory" were all conducted in NASA's own facilities! Also, it does not take a rocket scientist to realize that they had to "debunk" the Apollo Hoax, or have their show's funding from NASA cut off, and therefore be out of a job!

    I therefore dismiss the Mythbusters for what they are... Propaganda experts, and shills for the government. They were even exposed for being used by the government when experts confronted them on their episode about RFID chips! If you dont believe me, go ahead and google "Mythbusters RFID episode exposed" for yourselves. You will see clearly how they had to tow the line, or else!
     
  38. DrAstroZoom

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    You're going about it wrong. The burden of proof is on you. The established evidence -- film, photograph, eyewitness and other historical record -- is that we did go to the moon. Until there is a definitive piece of counter-evidence that cannot be shot down, the moon landing is fact.
     
  39. FatFreddy

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    In reply #37 I put forward some evidence that has yet to be satisfactorily explained. The flag moved when the astronaut trotted by it. He was too far away to touch it. No dust was visible. The flag moved slightly away from the astronaut before moving toward him which rules out static electricity.

    Even the people at Clavius can't come up with an explanation for it.
    http://apollohoax.proboards.com/index..cgi?board=theories&action=display&thread=1138&page=1

    The movement is consistent with the atmosphere explanation.

    I've never seen anything that wasn't fakeable. I tried to talk about this at Clavius. I got banned for thirty days at for using non-Apollo info to further my argument that the government is capable of telling gigantic lies.
    http://apollohoax.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=theories&action=display&thread=971&page=1
    (see reply #33)

    They talked about it in reply #138 here.
    http://apollohoax..proboards.com/index.cgi?board=announce&action=display&thread=1401&page=10

    I continued the topic in the "Conspiracy theory" section instead of the "Hoax theory" section in the hope that they would let me speak freely.
    http://apollohoax.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=othertheories&action=display&thread=1575

    As you can see by reading the thread, the moderator closed it because his people couldn't discredit the topic without looking silly. If they'd had nothing to hide, they would have let me speak freely.

    Americans are bombarded by lies. Check out some of this stuff about the American media.
    http://www.thismodernworld.org/arc/1993/93short-attention-span.gif
    http://www.youtube.com/results?search_type=&search_query=chomsky+media&aq=f
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=ES&hl=es&v=Wi5h3vZl6uo
    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbnxsPgcsH0"]YouTube- William Schaap - Part 1/8 - The Media, CIA, FBI & Disinfo.[/ame]
    http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Media/MediaControl_Chomsky.html
    http://www.chomsky.info/articles/199710--.htm
    http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Media/media_watch.html
    http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Propaganda/Propaganda_page.html
    http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Media_control_propaganda/Media_Control.html
    http://www.cassiopaea.org/cass/official_culture.htm
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=ES&hl=es&v=trWcqxrQgcc
    http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Herman /Propaganda_System_One.html

    The government can find lots of scientists who are willing to lie too. We are lied to about science.


    This is the official government version of the effects of depleted uranium.
    http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/docs/b04151999_bt170-99.htm

    That version seems pretty doubtful after watching some of these videos.
    http://video.google.es/videosearch?q=depleted+uranium#


    Here's the official government version of the dangers of GM foods.
    http://rand.org/commentary/051204FT.html
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    The US, the world's leading producer of GM crops, points out that 81 EU-funded research studies on GM foods in the past 15 years have found that crops with gene modifications posed no dangers to human health.
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    That looks suspicious after reading stuff from the alternative press about the same subject.
    http://www.projectcensored.org/top-...ngers-of-genetically-modified-food-confirmed/

    Somewhere around the 30 minute mark this scientist talks about science fraud.
    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3626298989248030643

    She also talks about being harassed for blowing the whistle.

    In this video a scientist talks about how information in scientific journals is controlled.
    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bAE7FGdNmA"]YouTube- Origins of Man Bonus Evidence II Part 2[/ame]
    (00:16 time mark)

    This is from my long post on page one. Snitching can be dangerous.
    [ame="http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=ZfYBJFPuiwE"]YouTube- Thomas Baron and astronauts killed to keep Apollo program[/ame]
    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipKyUVuQ2Uk"]YouTube- Sacrifice On Pad 34.[/ame]

    We are lied to about history too.
    http://mtwsfh.blogspot.com/
    http://www.fas.org/man/smedley.htm
    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTbdnNgqfs8"]YouTube- Interview - Confessions of an Economic Hit Man - Part I[/ame]
    http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Blum/KillingHope_page.html

    That's a bit different from what we're taught in school.

    So the official record is not proof of anything.
     
  40. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    What about all of the people who watched and listened to it at home? I am not talking about television. People watched from their telescopes and listened with their, well whatever they used. I am not an knowledgeable of what can be used to intercept nasa signals.

    Also the flag waving only makes sense if the person presenting it is actually someone who is a scientist and not someone who learned about science in highschool.

    I can think of a two reasons off of the top of my head, solar winds. The idea that space is a vacuum is also not totally true. The idea that we are outside of the sun is also not exactly true either. We are actually in the suns atmosphere.

    Also gravity could cause the flag to move. The flag has mass and the sun and earth have each gravitational pulls. Hell the moons gravitational pull pulls the entire ocean and if the moon wasn't there, it would be caused by the sun.
     
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