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What a joke of a franchise!!!

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by pumpdogs, Oct 27, 2024.

  1. danmarino

    danmarino Hyperbole or death Club Member

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    Still can’t add and subtract?
     
  2. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    If the offense didn't give up a safety and could actually make plays when it matters. You act like the offense didn't completely **** the bed.
     
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  3. cbrad

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    ?? The offense did not "completely **** the bed". How does one ever come away with that kind of narrative? They scored 27 points when the league average is 22.7, i.e., they increased the chance we win the game. Anytime you increase the chance of winning you do NOT "completely **** the bed" lol. Ludicrous take.

    It is true of course they should have done better on that last drive so they're not completely blameless but your take is ludicrous.
     
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  4. TheHighExhaulted

    TheHighExhaulted Well-Known Member

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    Tua literally has to play a perfect game all the time in order for this team to win.
     
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  5. TheHighExhaulted

    TheHighExhaulted Well-Known Member

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    Did anyone really think the defense was going to come up with a big stop on that last drive? I knew it was over as soon as they got the ball. Same story for the last two decades.

    Jaylen Wright needs to take the number one running back spot. Again only two carries. Achane might be their best receiver/player right now. Use Mostert at the goal line.

    Jaylen Waddle is the most overrated wide receiver in the game right now.

    Get Julian Hill off this team right now. Tua sets up a sick play for him inside the 10. Easy touchdown for another other player and he gets stripped from behind.

    I miss Xavien Howard man, he would have at least three interceptions right now.

    It would be so Miami Dolphins to finally beat Buffalo next week.
     
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  6. danmarino

    danmarino Hyperbole or death Club Member

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    I made a post last week in the Club where I wrote, “I don’t trust this defense to stop a team from going down the field in the final minutes and kicking a last minute FG.”
    And that’s exactly what happened.
     
  7. TheHighExhaulted

    TheHighExhaulted Well-Known Member

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    I told my wife, three plays and they will be in field goal range. I think it was five plays. Totally predictable.
     
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  8. resnor

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    But they won't, there really isn't any accountability with this team.
     
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  9. The_Dark_Knight

    The_Dark_Knight Defender of the Truth

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    Well there was quite a bit directed at me in several posts, so I’ll just address them all in one shot right here. Where to start? Tell you what, let’s start with Sunday’s game as we can tie it all together from there.

    I had already said the only way the critics were going to be shut down would be for the Dolphins to decisively win, it couldn’t be a close game, even though I knew Tua coming back after being away for 5 weeks it wasn’t going to happen but, whatever.

    The offense played well. Anyone who says otherwise is speaking pure emotion and you can’t argue feelings, you can argue only facts and the facts are this:

    The Dolphins offense scored on 5 of their 7 drives. That’s a fact.

    On their final drive leading to their game winning field goal, the Cardinals started on their own 11 yard line. That’s a fact.

    The defense let the Cardinals convert a 2nd and 15 for a 1st down. That’s a fact.

    An unproven Cam Smith was tasked to cover Harrison when it should have been Ramsey. That’s a fact.

    The defense allowed the Cardinals a 5 minute drive that allowed them their game winning field goal. That’s a fact.

    So for those of you pointing fingers at Tua, you’re not being factual. If you want to be factual offensively, point your fingers at Jonnu Smith who missed 2 separate passes from Tua m, right in his hands that would have converted and sustained the two drives in which we punted.

    So for the drum beater of “Tua sucks, the offense sucks, the head coach sucks”, take a step back and look objectively All of you are being overly emotional. What truly sucks, and no one here will disagree is Chris Grier. He has to go and the sooner the better.

    Now I’m skeptical about promoting from within. Any underling that would step into the GM job here would be fruit of the poisonous tree. Now I know we couldn’t lure a successful GM from a successful team to Miami now, but I bet we could lure an underling from Brett Veach’s staff. After all, I don’t think anyone would argue against the Chiefs’ sustained success.

    All I know is the sooner Grier is out of here and a complete football is assembled here in Miami, the better life will be for Dolphins fans.
     
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  10. Etrius24

    Etrius24 Well-Known Member

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    Can I like this infinity?
     
  11. danmarino

    danmarino Hyperbole or death Club Member

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    I don’t believe I’ve ever called him a troll, either. So whomever he’s talking about must be his conscience. He’s probably made trolling posts, I think many of us have, but I don’t think he’s a fan of another team like some here most definitely are.

    In fact, I believe I’ve always said candidly that he’s not a troll, but rather just overly emotional. Much like you wrote here. His gaslighting is getting old, however. He says one things, swears he never said it, then when the proof is shown that he did in fact say it, he claims that’s not what he meant. Lol
     
  12. danmarino

    danmarino Hyperbole or death Club Member

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    Once you graduate 3rd grade you can.
     
  13. Etrius24

    Etrius24 Well-Known Member

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    I made a statement much like this...

    But that speaks volumes to Just how ****ty the team and the coaching is.

    And why we need massive changes.

    If you need "perfection" to have a shot at winning... You are doing something wrong.

    If you need Perfection then you are failing at many things.

    The play calling
    the strategy
    The depth
    The talent around Tua
    Overall talent on the roster.

    Arizona is not a good football team.

    We needed Perfection out of tua to have a shot to beat a crappy football team.

    Say it for what it really is.

    That is why McD and Grier both need to be shown the door.

    Thank you
     
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  14. resnor

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    Gfy

    The accusation you were making was that I only post when they lose.
     
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  15. dolphin25

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    I'd put this one on the defense. My rule is if offense scores 17 or more they should win. We have two play makers on defense and both are Defensive linemen.
     
  16. cbrad

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    That's totally unfair to any defense. Average points per game is 22.7 and you're saying a team should win if the offense only scores 17+? Only historically elite defenses could even begin to deal with that. This isn't anywhere close to a realistic point of view.
     
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  17. The_Dark_Knight

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    Maybe, but I get his point and with the game against the Cardinals he’s right. We scored more than enough points to win that game.

    So many times, an offense or a quarterback bears the weight of a loss. Sometimes you just can’t score enough points.

    I can remember a game in which the quarterback threw for 448 yards and 6 touchdowns…and STILL lost. If you put up those kinds of stats and still lose, blame has to shift to the defense, like this past Sunday.
     
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  18. M1NDCRlME

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    I agree. Fire Grier, bring in a new GM from outside with full autonomy to fire and hire (or keep) staff as he/she choses and purge the roster and HOPEFULLY IMPROVE THE ****ING O LINE. Personally, I'd give McDaniel 2 years without Grier to see if we've been duped or if he is worth keeping around.
     
  19. JJ_79

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    Pretty fair outlook and take on our situation.
     
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  20. resnor

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    Yeah that was a good assessment that they had in that video
     
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  21. Sceeto

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    Yeah, Hyde's been good on that podcast all season.
     
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  24. djphinfan

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    What a great game Tua played
     
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  25. Etrius24

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    Tua did play well...

    But with Hill and Waddle blanketed for most of the game.... Tua was merely a game manager...

    25/28 213 yards... great completion % 10 of his passes were dump offs to the running backs.

    Dink and dunk.... very pedestrian....

    The best thing you could say about Tua was he did not make any mistakes...
     
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  26. Etrius24

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    How sad is it that this team and the coaching is so bereft that when our Qb plays a mistake free game where he has a Qb rating of 124... we still cannot beat a team with a record above .500???
     
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  27. dolphin25

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    defense is terrible
     
  28. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    Etrius24 Well-Known Member

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    Creed Humphry....

    I still get thank you letters from his mom for being president of the "Draft Creed Humphry Club" when he was in college.

    Sigh
     
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  30. JJ_79

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    Didn‘t really like the draft back then besides the Holland pick to bad he has to deal with injuries most of the time but when you look at it now it’s even worse…
     
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  31. hitman8

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    Article is spot on, and that is not even the worst Grier draft, you go back and look at the 2020 or 2017 draft and it just makes you cry.

    Grier's bad drafting set this franchise back for years and condemed us to more endless suffering as fans.

    Grier has been a major part of our bad drafting for over 20 years now. Enough already.
     
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  32. Sceeto

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    How about 2022?

    2022 Miami Dolphins Draft
    102nd: Channing Tindall, LB, Georgia
    125th: Erik Ezukanma, WR, Texas Tech
    224th: Cameron Goode, OLB, Cal
    247th: Skylar Thompson, QB, Kansas State
     
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  33. djphinfan

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    I don’t think you know what the modern day definition of a game manager means.

    this is the part of the game that Tua has been missing since leading the league in passing the past two years.

    if you really want to dive into the numbers regarding his play from a historical perspective you wouldn’t be saying what your saying because what your saying would be highly in-accurate from a football evaluation standpoint.
     
  34. Etrius24

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    Dude,

    As I pointed out in another thread (because this topic seems to be the only thing a handful of people want to talk about.) Last week Mahomes hopping around on one foot in the pouring rain... improvised and made a play up all by himself out of thin air to win the game... When he faked like he was going to run... drew the defenders up and then made a underhand throw to the wide open receiver in the end zone...

    I talked about Burrow taking multiple hits because he stood tall in the pocket giving his receivers more time to throw...

    Tua cannot and does not do either of these things... And it is a huge reason he needs to be called a game manager.... When defences take Hill away from him... Like the Bills did... He throws almost half of his passes to the running backs... He cannot extend plays.. He is not giving his receivers more time to get open...He cannot take hits (Or he will get concussed.)

    He deserves to be praised for not turning the ball over and not making mistakes. Tua is not going to complete 90% of his passes very often... But if the opposition can take Hill away and force Tua to dump off half his passes to the running backs it is going to be difficult for the Dolphins to win.

    And letting the running backs do almost all of the work with the running game and the short passes.... That is Tua being a game manager... Tua is not out there making big plays... He is just merely giving what the defence gives him. You can say he is playing smart, you can say he is playing mistake free... But he is still a game manager.
     
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  35. resnor

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    Not for nothing, BB did exactly that for years in NE.

    But they were winning.
     
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  36. djphinfan

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    Perhaps you need an all 22 subscription and a tutorial, Tua made plays with his legs, with improv, and manager the game almost perfectly, exactly smartly what he needed to do to win.

    I guess you would call Kyler Murray’s game today a game manager cause he didn’t run or scramble much.
     
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  37. Sceeto

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    ……brqvo. :oldtoker:
     
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  38. resnor

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    Hehehe

    I'm sure people won't see the humor
     
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  39. Etrius24

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    Yes BB did that... Plus he outcoacheed his opponents.... Bellicheat was always a step ahead of the curve on when to accept the kick in the endzone... when to run it out... BB teams won the field position battle... They managed the crap out of the clock... They salted the game away the instant they had a lead with clock killing runs.

    And BB teams for the most part were good to great defencively. If it was not for the Superbowl Rings... I would not say Brady was really that special... When you have that many rings it counts for something.

    But yes... aside from the years where brady had the best supporting case around him... He was very much a game manager... When he had welker and moss in their primes all of a sudden he was airing it out and dealing. when he had Gronk and Gonzales in their prime with Edelmann that offence was pretty good also.

    But before Moss and Welker... first like 8 years of Brady.... QB rating of what 88 or 89? And he won three rings...Before Welker and Moss came to New England. But the numbers were NOT elite... He was a game manager. Elite coaching... very good defence... And it was enough to win rings.
     
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  40. Etrius24

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    Please tell me you were not sober when you typed this.

    Kyler murray made a couple of great runs for touchdowns... Making explosive plays with his legs...
    So even if you took his receivers away and he had to dink and dunk to running backs... Murray has wheels and he can make a defender look silly and use his legs to make big plays.

    So in the game you said Murray is a game manager...

    He was 22/24.... (A lot like Tua) 266 But the ability to use his legs and score touchdowns makes him a QB that can take over the game wheen his top receiver is covered. Tua is not a guy that compares athletically with Murray... Tua is not going to break anyone's ankles out there on the field. (Murray is.)

    Now Murray only ran a few times... but when he needs to he has the ability to put the ball in the endzone all by himself. As for the Scrambling... He did scramble some... He bought time.... Did you see the play where it was an all out blitz and he backpeddled and threw the ball up the hail mary to the wide open player down the field... that was all Murray being elusive... and making the miracle play.

    I wish Tua had that extra special escapability and running ability that Murray has....
    Murray took some big hits also... and popped right back up... Tua would be dead if he took one of those shots.

    Not sure why you compared Murray today to Tua... LOL

    Wow

    And I see what you are trying to do...

    Tua and Murray are both Smaller QB's that are very accurate. Murray has a bigger arm... and he has the ability to make plays and win a game with his legs. Tua does not.
     
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