Should be good for Finfans to vent on our latest whipping boy:
http://blogs.palmbeachpost.com/thed...olphins-must-decide-whats-next-for-pat-white/
"Almost undoubtedly the most disappointing draft pick of the current regime’s three-year run, White, the 44th selection overall last year, accomplished little as a rookie, going 0-for-5 passing and rushing for 81 yards on 21 attempts."
"The other possibility for White is a position change to either wide receiver or returner. But coach Tony Sparano was adamant all last year neither would occur, that White was a quarterback. White has proven himself to be a good athlete, so receiver is a possibility, though the Dolphins seem set there. They have needs at returner, but again, with his slight build, that seems a reach."
My opinion, we should drop him faster than a Carrot-top prop (I said a hip hop...). Let the roasting begin...
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I am all for letting him walk I didn't want him when we drafted him
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there will be a position change for Pat White:
special teams, wr, slot, scat back, qb trick-plays
whatever ...
there will be a position change for Pat White
& he better make the most of it :yes:padre31 likes this. -
I don't want to blast the guy, either. But I will say this - neither, do I want to see him as Henne's back up. IMO we're much better off with Thigpen and Pennington.
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Is he better than 7 or 10 at the QB slot?
Is he better than any of the Four WRs we're likely to dress?jetssuck likes this. -
Yeah, i know the responses i'll get, "well we know, nothing but suck!".
But we all know that we haven't seen enough of him to make a true judgment. the idea of casting him off seems wrong to me. -
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I was actually very surpised/excited when I heard we drafted him and still got sean smith.
Now at QB we are set and WR, as far as Pat's unknown ability, we are set as well.
I dont like half the formations he was used in or what he was supposed to do. Even when he had a shot in the steelers game he threw like 2 passes. They were all run calls and he even nearly got a first down on 3rd and 10 and nearly died because of it.
I would like to see him used in a wildcat or pistol style formation. I think he should throw some screens or something. Be more ****ing creative. I especially liked the pass he threw agains the Falcons where he faked the draw and threw it 10 yards past ginn. Only if he had more attempts. Too early to cut him lose, although his job is probably just going to be a creative wildcat/pistol option. We just need to let him pass more.padre31 likes this. -
Any offensive snaps on offense are taking away valuable
playing time from better QBs and that includes the 3 playing in front of him.
I could see if he showed some semblance of playing football at a NFL level but he was terrible last season
I've been a Dolphin fan for 40 years and White is one of a handful of the worst QBs I have seen wearing a Dolphin uniform.
There comes a time when you just have to say we Fuc*** up and lets move on..the time is near for PatLandShark13 likes this. -
I'd trade him to the Pats for something
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Well what I'm saying is your can't just throw him in to hand the ball off on a draw from the shotgun. Open up the playbook more. You can't judge a QB from throwing 5 passes with Joey Haynos running wild out there. You also can't say cut him loose because it was one year where he saw like 30 snaps.
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Trade him for a 7th round pick in 2011. He just is too small to play QB, and we don't need another shrimp WR/KR.
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Larryfinfan 17-0...Priceless Club Member
Here's what we know, so far, about White:
That's it...we really know nothing because the regimes' plan of making him a QB has failed (so far). Their plan of making him a WCxQB has failed, so far. Any other plans they've had for him, we as fans are not aware of. He's not really a WR. He's not a RB. He's not a returner. He's not really a QB....He's an athlete without a position at this point. The sad thing is that since he was such a high pick, they are less likely to give up on him, meaning that some potentially decent WR, RB, TE or QB will be cut or traded (if we're really lucky) to make room for him.MikeHoncho and jetssuck like this. -
My advice to Pat:
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Wow...sorry Pat...with Ted Ginn gone and Jason Allen a mere role player now, you've been selected for the "kick me please" position amongst Dolphins fans.
I'll withhold judgment on White until OTA's/Vet Mini Camp begins, if he throws more accurately, keep him as the WC Qb, if he is spraying the ball around same as last yr..maybe white should look into baseball.jetssuck likes this. -
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I just sort of pick a hill to die and while away the early part of the year defending it..that is what I do...:wink2:jetssuck likes this. -
I've heard it said that "Pat White has small hands"..no doubt that comes from the lack of information that Chad Henne's mitts are 9 inches, White's are 9.25:
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He should be on the small hands commercial...
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Let him compete in camp. He looked awful last year. Some of the arguments for him were unbelievable. Other than one carry against the Pats, he averaged around 2.1 yards every time he touched it. 90% of the time he entered, he was a drive stopper.
That said, if he can compete and if they give all the QB's level playing field - let it happen.
I don't think he will be better than the other three and should be cut. If he can't compete - give him a chance at another position (which I doubt he will make the team there either) - trade him or cut him and recognize the mistake.jetssuck likes this. -
White was not a drive stopper, quite the opposite if one cares to dig around up in Club, Vengeful Odin did a study that examined every White appearances and he found White did not stop drives.
Pat White will have to compete this preseason, let him compete and let's see what he has before committing Ginnocide on Pat White. -
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Are you saying that you didn't notice that tremendous amount of upside last season?
Or the fact that after Penny handed him a 0-3 hole to climb out of, he went 7-6 against the leagues toughest schedule?
Maybe ya missed him set the Dolphins single game consecutive completions record?
I mean come on Pads, to even compare the two is ridiculous....
Regardless of whether or not White was a drive killer, he was nothing special save a few plays and even then it wasn't really that special. And with this OL, this RB unit and Marshall leading the WR corp, giving a handful of plays to Ronnie to run the WC is enough....Pat White isn't even a WC contributor, he's got his own "little package" and it's just not worth taking Henne off the field. This is a physical offense, physical team..... he's out of place.
As far as him being a victim of "Ginnocide" (great term btw..lol)...............well he should be and for the same reason, he just doesn't fit on this team. -
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Do those count?
Even then that is not the point, White at the least should be given as much of a chance as Chad Henne had before he became the starter.
And there was the bad, the lame duck throw in the Steelers game, the panicky pitch of the ball in the face of a blitz in the wishbone formation..
But the thing of it is, those are objective comments, both good and bad, most of the time when White is being discussed people grow very biased, meaning "I won't use facts, White is just a waste, why bother with facts"?
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Da 'Fins Season Ticket Holder Staff Member Club Member
The facts that are meaningful are this: compared to every other offensive set or package, White's package was worse. Henne passing? More yards per play; Henne at QB handing off? More yards per play; Wildcat with Ronnie? More yards per play.
Any arguments beyond that is special pleading and specious. His offensive set of plays was not only the worst set for the offense, it was just bad overall. His yards per play were atrocious.
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Now about the Chad Henne comparison. Surely you jest, Padre? It's as apples to oranges as it gets. First, he was simply the backup the whole season. There's no criticizing a player for being a backup to the player who was 2nd in MVP voting! That's absurd. Second, without getting any real practice time as a backup, or any packages put in for him (as there were for White), with no starts, he was 7 of 12 in the one game he entered in a pinch (even then, he looked vastly superior to White and had decent stats). Third, he proved in the pre-season his rookie year that he had significant passing talent (going 16 of 20 in the final game) and a great arm.
If Pat White had shown a rifle, accurate arm; an ability to thread the ball through a needle; if he were a good physical specimen at 6'3, 230 (versus 6'0, 190); things would be different. The problem is he hasn't shown that. If he looked like Drew Brees did in Brees' rookie season, no one would be wondering about the pick. He looked nothing like him.
Again, the argument I'm saying for Pat is - sure, let him compete. But, from what I've seen from college and from last year (preseason or regular season) he shows zero "flash" (to put it in Tony's words) that he can be an NFL calibre QB.
The real danger is keeping him over Thigpen - if Thigpen plays better - only because White is a 2nd round pick.jetssuck likes this. -
The problem is..........there's a cost to this beyond that 2nd round pick. It's a huge risk to spend the time in practice and game snaps, on a package designed around a player that is at or near the bottom talent level, of all the skill position players on the team.
He's never gonna sell the WC lacking the running ability of Ronnie Brown and all we're left with is a bunch of spread/option stuff that we'd likely be better off using Thigpen for anyway. (Or IMO just forgetting altogether)
He and that package of his are a distraction, the WC got to their heads and they decided to re-invent the wheel. Well we have some brand new bad *** wheels now.... that's why he's a waste
It's going to be a tough time getting to 53 players and if we keep him, we're probably going to lose one of those promising young project players that you're so high on.....
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If Pat White returns and looks basically like the same guy as last year and shows no real significant improvement, would you be willing to cut him loose in order to free up that roster spot....... or are you determined to ride him to dust or glory, consequences be damned? -
I knew he was pretty much doomed to fail as soon as they said "let's tinker with his throwing mechanics". Like 99.9% of all NFL QB's who've had their throwing style messed with (when will they learn Bernie Kosar, when will they learnnnn!).
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