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What are important aspects you look for in a HC and which candidate do you want?

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by mbmonk, Jan 19, 2012.

Who do you want as the next head coach?

Poll closed Jan 26, 2012.
  1. Mike McCoy

    15 vote(s)
    55.6%
  2. Joe Philbin

    9 vote(s)
    33.3%
  3. Todd Bowles

    3 vote(s)
    11.1%
  1. mbmonk

    mbmonk I have no clue

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    I was looking into the background of the HC candidates and wanted to see how they compared o each other and Sparano in terms of coaching experience, what level they had coached at, for how long, etc.

    Here is a table roughly comparing them.
    [table="width: 500, class: outer_border, align: left"]
    [tr]
    [td][/td]
    [td]Mike McCoy[/td]
    [td]Joe Philbin[/td]
    [td]Todd Bowles[/td]
    [td]Tony Sparano (Before being named HC)[/td]
    [/tr]
    [tr]
    [td]Age[/td]
    [td]39[/td]
    [td]50[/td]
    [td]48[/td]
    [td]46[/td]
    [/tr]
    [tr]
    [td]Years Coaching[/td]
    [td]11[/td]
    [td]28[/td]
    [td]11[/td]
    [td]23[/td]
    [/tr]
    [tr]
    [td]Years coaching in NFL[/td]
    [td]11[/td]
    [td]9[/td]
    [td]11[/td]
    [td]8[/td]
    [/tr]
    [tr]
    [td]Highest NFL Position Attained[/td]
    [td]OC[/td]
    [td]OC[/td]
    [td]Asst. HC/Secondary[/td]
    [td]Oline & Asst. HC[/td]
    [/tr]
    [tr]
    [td]Year held at Highest Position[/td]
    [td]1[/td]
    [td]5[/td]
    [td]4[/td]
    [td]4[/td]
    [/tr]
    [tr]
    [td]Head Coaching Exp.[/td]
    [td]No[/td]
    [td]No[/td]
    [td]Yes, Interim[/td]
    [td]Yes. College[/td]
    [/tr]
    [/table]

    Source Wikipedia:
    Mike McCoy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_McCoy_(American_football_coach)
    Joe Philbin: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Philbin
    Todd Bowles: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Todd_Bowles
    Tony Sparano: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Sparano

    There are many aspects that are far more important to being a HC than just the above. So the above is not a definitive tool. Also my math could be off so feel free to correct me.

    My take from the above Table:
    #1 Head Coaching Experience: None of the candidates have been a head coach at any level other than Bowles who was so only for a couple of games this season. So this category is a wash in my eyes.

    #2 NFL Coaching Experience: They have all been in the NFL coaching at some level for 9+ years ( Philbin has the least NFL experience, but not by much both McCoy & Bowles have 11 years).

    #3 Highest Level Experience: Philbin has been an OC for 5 years which is much longer than McCoy's single season at that position, and Bowles has never been a coordinator.

    #4 General Coaching Experience: Philbin has the most by far but the majority of it is at a level below the NFL. Which was similar to Sparanos 23 years coaching but only 8 at the NFL level.

    Which candidate would you like to see and why? What are some aspects that you feel that are important for a HC to have?

    I would lean toward Philbin mostly based on his length of experience at the OC position. My second choice would be McCoy and lastly Bowles. I am basing that mostly on experience a the highest level (*I am assuming the OC is higher than Assistant Head Coach*).


    EDIT: Pictures in honor of MonstBlitz :)
    McCoy
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    Philbin
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    Bowles
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  2. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    Looks. I think we need a handsome head coach. Nobody wants to follow a weird looking prick into battle. I mean just look at the 2 dreamboats that make up the Harbaugh brothers:

    [​IMG] [​IMG]

    Based on this criteria, I'd say it's a toss up between Bowles and McCoy.
     
  3. mbmonk

    mbmonk I have no clue

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    Stop being safe. Our next HC should be Derrick Zoolander:
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  4. SICK

    SICK Lounge Moderator

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    I want someone that is really yearning for the position, someone young, firery, someone that will come in, take control, make the team theirs. Don't worry about crap from the outside, stupid stories written from omar kelly, or the pressure of the marino years, shula, the undefeated team etc.

    Someone that wipes the slate clean, says "this franchise has sucked for years, and it's going to change under my watch"

    Someone that will stay here, stability at the HC position....someone that will burn the midnight oil studying relentlessly and taking ownership of the Dolphin emblem and what it stands for.

    That someone, to me, will be Mike McCoy.
     
  5. Vendigo

    Vendigo German Gigolo Club Member

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    I think the fundamental qualities of a head coach basically boil down to soft skills: Is he able to motivate a room full of 53 grown men and keep them in line at the same time? Does he have an eye for talented assistant coaches combined with the leadership skills to make them excel at their work? Does he have a sound understanding of all three dimensions of football? A lot of the time, people look at a prospective HC and go, well, his defense in XY didn't impress me. Or they look at a different candidate and say, hey, let's hire this dude, he's one of the best offensive minds in the business. And that's textbook Peter Principle. It really doesn't matter how McCoy's offense ranked or how long Philbin held an OC position; they are about to get hired for a job that requires a whole different skill set. None of us can seriously evaluate any of these candidates; not unless we get to pick their brains for a couple of hours, at least.
     
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  6. Vendigo

    Vendigo German Gigolo Club Member

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  7. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    Except, from all descriptions I've heard, Philbin's current job requires a skill set closest to a HC.
     
  8. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    I was half joking in that first post, but I have to admit, whenever a new candidate has come into the mix, one of the first things I do is google image the guy to see what he looks like. I would like to point out, I have a completely unblemished record of heterosexuality.

    At least we didn't hire the guy with the mullet and porno 'stache.
     
  9. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    Back then the hitler stache and combover was all the rage.
     
  10. Section126

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    I want a coach that is younger than 60.

    With prior experience as a coordinator.

    With experience coaching more than one position.

    Coaching experience at more than one level (college and NFL coaching experience)

    Prior playing experience in at least college.

    Playoff success, but no "wild" success such as multiple championships under another successful coach.

    Taller than 6' feet.

    At least average to presentable hair.

    Good speaker on the podium.

    Looks good in a suit.
     
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  11. Vendigo

    Vendigo German Gigolo Club Member

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    One could have said the same about Cam Cameron. The guy looked absolutely fantastic on paper. It still beats me how he made it through the interview process given he clearly wasn't cut out for the job on a fundamental character level, but I sincerely hope that Ross and Ireland keep this mistake in mind when they talk to McCoy and Philbin.
     
  12. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    No they couldn't.

    Cam Cameron was a play calling OC in every traditional sense. Philbin is not in that role at all.
     
  13. Vendigo

    Vendigo German Gigolo Club Member

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    Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Philbin doing what pretty much every OC in the business is doing except calling plays?
     
  14. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    Why'd you put all the important stuff at the end?
     
  15. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    Think about it like this, the one calling the plays is the HC. He's calling the plays that Philbin set up and implemented. Who is really in charge over there? Not too mention they easily roll to a 15-1 record, until Philbin isn't there to gameplan because of his son.
     
  16. Section126

    Section126 We are better than you. Luxury Box

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    I agree.

    If your coach looks like a troll, there is no way you have success. It's just the way it is.

    I dare anyone to find a ridiculous looking Super Bowl champion coach.
     
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  17. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    Lombardi. Madden.
     
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  18. Vendigo

    Vendigo German Gigolo Club Member

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    You could also think about it like this: Pretty much every NFL HC trusts his OC to not only set up and implement the plays but also to call them. McCarthy does not.

    But then we're back to the Peter Principle: I don't want a HC that can come up with a fantastic, well rounded, perfectly thought up gameplan. I want a HC that gets himself an OC who does.
     
  19. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    Yet McCarthy was a horrible OC. He has two differences in GB, Philbin & Rodgers.



    Its the HC's job to define the principles that make up the gameplan. If McCarthy was doing that Philbin wouldn't have a job. Philbin has created an offense that even the worst OC in the league can succeed calling plays with.
     
  20. Vendigo

    Vendigo German Gigolo Club Member

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    Pretty much every OC in the NFL does what Joe Philbin does; they aren't just playcalling monkeys, they're the ones who sit in the film room, study opponents and devise the gameplan. In accordance with the HC, of course, but I really don't think McCarthy doesn't give Philbin any input. He's just smart enough to realize that he has a very talented guy there and can spend his limited ressources elsewhere. The real question is, would Philbin do the same? We don't need a HC that comes up with the gameplan. That's the OC's job.
     
  21. Section126

    Section126 We are better than you. Luxury Box

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    NO WAY. Lombardi was so cool with his over coats and his speeches, that they named the trophy after him.

    Madden Never looked ridiculous. He was just big and fat.
     
  22. Fin D

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    You are bat ****, if you think Lombardi or Madden didn't look like trolls.
     
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  23. Fin D

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    Philbin has shown he's willing to delegate. He isn't calling the plays. Yet he devises a plan that even the worst OC can have success in. Why then, do you think he would have such control issues that he couldn't give up the gameplan devising?

    Out of the 3 finalists who do think has shown more as HC than Philbin and what is it you've seen?
     
  24. jw3102

    jw3102 season ticket holder

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    I really am not impressed by any of the candidates in the final three. While there are always one or two assistant coaches who come along and end up as good NFL head coaches, the vast majority of the assistant coaches hired as head coaches end up being fired within 2-4 years.

    I will admit that I was hoping for Cowher, Gruden, or Fisher to be hired. Since none of them wanted the job, the Dolphins will once again be forced to take their chances by hiring a coach who has no experience as an NFL head coach or very limited experience in the case of Bowles.

    Basically it doesn't matter to me which one of these three coaches are hired. I certainly won't go out and purchase season tickets next year in anticipation that this new coach will turn into another Don Shula. Instead I will sit at home next year and evaluate this new coach after next season. I certainly think this new head coach has one major negative going for him when he takes the job. That negative is the fact that he will have to rely on Jeff Ireland to provide him with the players on the roster.

    To me, Jeff Ireland is the major problem with the Dolphins and having Ireland continue to make the player personnel decisions for the new head coach is the major factor in my feeling that Ross will going through this entire process of hiring a new HC within the next few years.
     
  25. Section126

    Section126 We are better than you. Luxury Box

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    How the hell does Lombardi look like a troll? under the word "Football coach" is a picture of Lombardi. He is the standard for how you are supposed to look.

    Madden , it was the seventies. People dressed like that. But he was that day's Rex Ryan.
     
  26. SICK

    SICK Lounge Moderator

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    [​IMG]

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  27. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    You know who kinda looks like a troll?

    [​IMG] [​IMG]
     
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  28. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    Only in Section land, is the Lombardi Trophy named after Lombardi and HC's are supposed to look like Lombardi because he was dapper.

    [​IMG] [​IMG]

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  29. Section126

    Section126 We are better than you. Luxury Box

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    You are reaching with Dungy.

    Yep..researched it. John Madden is the closest you can get to a ridiculous looking guy that won the SB.

    and ..if you think about it...not really:

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  30. Section126

    Section126 We are better than you. Luxury Box

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    No, that is everywhere land. The Lombardi Trophy is named after Vince Lombardi. That is common knowledge.
     
  31. SICK

    SICK Lounge Moderator

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    I don't know about a troll, but he has one hell of a moose knuckle
     
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  32. Section126

    Section126 We are better than you. Luxury Box

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    you are way to worked up sexually to discuss Coach looks.
     
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  33. Fin D

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    Weak.
     
  34. MikeHoncho

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    Good enough?
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  35. Section126

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    he only qualifies on 2 of all the criteria...so....No.
     
  36. Section126

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    ????????
     
  37. Fin D

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    Sigh.

    I said
     
  38. MikeHoncho

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    They say he's of the ground-n-pound, hit-the-hole, spread-em-out-march-it-up-the-seam, ram-it-down-their-throat mentality. I mean, this guy means business. Prepare your anus, Belichick.
     
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  39. Section126

    Section126 We are better than you. Luxury Box

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    Lombardi looked like a football coach. The overcoat, the hat, the screaming on the sidelines. I disagree.
     
  40. Fin D

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    A troll football coach. You said no winning coach looked a troll. I gave you two and backed it up.
     

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