What competition at QB? Henne looks sharp, hears cheers from Dolphins fans

While I said it's a passing league, and it is, I never said you shouldn't protect Henne. You have to pick your spots where you put him in position to succeed. Against a team stacking the box there were opportunities that you have to take advantage of otherwise you end up in a ton of three point games that you either win or lose depending on a good or bad bounce.

 

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At least now we have outside confirmation that you are, in fact, smart.

 

I understand what you are saying and I respect your comments. I am person who respects fans comments whether I like them or not. I know I don't say much around here but every chance I get I try to praise, encourage and say positive things. Now I will be honest that I have said some negative things but I like to be positive.

That being said, I will give my thoughts on Henne. I like his toughness and I think the guy is fairly smart. He hasnt done too much to impress me but I think he can be successful in this league. My favorite game from him was that MNF game vs the Jets were he won the game in the final 2 minutes. Good stuff there. Anyway I am looking forward to this season with high hopes. Go Dolphins!!

 

Please do not quote an entire article or blog post. I have edited the original post, just keeping the intro and the link. If you would like to go back and add a few quotes, please feel free.

 

And if he bombs out like many people think he will, are you willing to man up and say he wasn't the man, and those of us calling for someone other than Henne were right ?

 

Hey I hope I am completely wrong about all of the doom & gloom, especially Henne. That is my hope, but my gut tells me this is a trainwreck of a season, and Henne is the conductor.

 

Sure am. I've said all along I think he deserves another shot with a different OC. If he tanks I'll admit he was the wrong guy for the job and we have to move on.

 

Does everyone realize that Henne is, I believe an URFA next year. Didn't he sign a 4 year contract ? This probably be his one and only good season with us, even if he does do great. No way I see him resigning with us, even if he does well. Too much bad stuff has gone on already.

 

Did the new CBA do away with restricted free agency ?

 

No offense but sometimes I think you see this game as a soap opera or a television show and you forget it is a business.
If Henne does well there is no reason why they wouldn't consider resigning him except money IMO.

 

But why? is he that bad of a person? Is he incredibly lazy, a cancer to the team, and always in trouble? Did he run over a fan's golden retriever in his shiny white & red striped mustang?

 

your opinion not mine, don't tell me how to think Stringer..Your definition of a ''line'' is different than mine, people have talked about how bad the QB, the team, and the staff is GOING to do in their analysis with a conviction that allows no room to be wrong..

I'am not the kind of person that does what your disapproving here, I never call people out, I wait for them to call themselves out, and if they dont, it just shows what kind of person they are, but the hatred, the criticism from some has had such conviction behind it on these three topics, if they are wrong on the player the team and the staff, then hopefully they will come clean on their own, if not, then in life, sometimes you gotta check folks like that.

 

That was an AWESOME game. One of the best games I've seen in a really long time. At that point, I was all over Henne. Whether he succeeds or does not, that will always be a fan favorite moment for Dolphins fans.

 

You'd think that by the crap on these boards.

That would make anyone who did that worse than Vick, Hitler, Pol Pot and Vlad the Impaler.

 

Thats fine schmoot, thats between you and him..I took love fest as a generlization of people that think he can improve with better players around him and better variables, based on some film study.

 

What hatred? Thinking someone is bad as a QB, LB, OT, FS, executive, or coach does equal hatred. Because they have conviction in their opinion does not mean they are crossing any lines. Everybody here is wrong about players on a regular basis. This isn't anything out of the ordinary. Nobody is saying they wish harm to anyone. Lets not mis-characterize things.

 

And I think that is where you lose sight of everything. Your whole perception of why we post what we do.

I too would MUCH RATHER he win, and do well. That is what I want. But I don't believe it will happen. I am not going to go be happy-happy and not look at what is the reality of the teams messy situation. That is not being intellectually honest with myself.

I want the Dolphins to win, but I see so much wrong with the team, and the way the front office has either not addressed in the offseason what they even said was one area they would fix, that of the QB.

The owner said this in January : http://www.dolphinshout.com/2011/01/stephen-ross-wants-new-offense-for.html and yet here we are in August, 8 months later and many fans feel that even with a new OC & offensive system in place, the right QB to lead us has not been found yet. Saying that the draft didn't fall their way, and that the FA class of QBs was poop, while all true is no excuse for not getting the right man in here. In my job my boss wants no excuses, just get the job done, make whatever changes I need to make to get the job done right. That same mentality needs to pervade that front office in Davie. Until we have a front office that has conviction and direction and is on the same page, we will wallow in mediocrity.

I refuse to post all happy-happy go-go rah-rah posts here when I don't feel that way, just to please some delusional internet DolFan homers. Occasionally I do feel let down by certain posters that I know and have talked to privately in email & in PM's about the Dolphins. They often do say one thing on the board, but privately say a lot of different things. They know who they are, no need for names.

 

You act as if being in the "we need somebody better than Henne camp" is this brave position. That's not the point. The point is who would have been an upgrade and how much would they have cost us. You need to stop framing this in a linear "pro-Henne vs. anti-Henne" fashion and understand that it's a lot more nuanced of a debate than that.

 

Couldn't agree more!!!!

 

And you're an ex scout, right, Raf? ---- someone who has a better understanding than most about player development etc?

wow..... when you put it that way....... it sounds like things weren't the easiest for Henne comparatively.

Maybe I was being a little too critical & harsh on the guy.

 

Too much bad stuff? What bad stuff?----> Fans like yourself creating a hostile environment with irrational hatred focused toward the QB despite our losing season being a mass collective effort from the coaches on down to the guys on special teams?

So the 2nd year play of a young, still-developing QB amidst a dearth of injuries (including his own), horrendous game planning & play calling etc is considered "too much bad stuff"?

You're contempt for 1 guy is making you utterly delusional.

Where are all these "bad things" you speak of? Surely there has to be some arrests in there...... flicking off fans? DUIs? Fines by the team for skipping out on meetings? Players hating his lack of dedication? Any of that? Cmon, give me something here!!

 

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Then you better scrap the ENTIRE team outside of Long, Wake, Dansby, and our Dline because everybody else played a part in last year's losing season. EVERYBODY.

 

Its a business is probably the reason why NOT to resign him. Despite what you see posted on this board, I believe the majority of Dolfans already don't believe in Henne and want him gone. Also if a new regime comes in next year, Moore is your stopgap until their new boy is ready in say 2013 or 2014.

 

Sorry DJ, but you're totally off base here.

It's not up to you or anyone else to "check" anyone (except for the staff). We're all here to talk about our team, and we're all on the same side. But we are each individuals who come from different backgrounds, different cultures, and each of our outlooks is informed by our life experiences and where we came from.

No one is better than anyone else, which is what you're setting yourself up as. Your opinion is just that—an opinion—and as such, it is no better nor on any higher plane than anyone else's. You're just one of us, and we're all die-hard fans of the Miami Dolphins, and if some of us cheer Chad Henne it doesn't make us any better nor any more "right" than those of us who boo him...or want to replace him.

Replace him; you know, like the Head Coach and General Manager that you're so fond of defending have been trying to do to Chad Henne every day since the season officially started again.

 

That is what is so very sad about all of this. People used to debate on this board without the personal vitriol. Now, if someone disagrees with you, they are a "hater". That is just all wrong. Letting a degrading and demeaning "street hood" element invade civil discourse has just about ruined having fun on this site, as well as others (especially in politics). Its all about the lowering of our standards of society, and promoting as celebrities people who have been made by the popular media into heros that are really street thugs, and not "singers". Thirty or forty years ago the majority of them would have been doing hard time, instead of showing up on TMZ or Inside Edition or at awards shows such as the Grammys or Oscars. Its really sad.

Its even affected myself, and I have posted in haste at times, and then been reprimanded. I know that many in the rah-rah crowd have also had posts deleted and then been reprimanded, but I doubt any of them will admit it.

 

you know as well as I do if we start winning the fair weathered fan base will change their tune faster than you can convince them to stay on your ship bro. That is how it works.

 

I guess it is manner in which people come accross as if because you believe it it is so kind of attitude. I get you brelieve but it is teh implied attitude that it is outrageous for us not to be convinced by you and adopt your position.

I think we as the homers/henne lovers/ blind loyalists/ anything we have been called have conceded Henne is an unknown. Yet some assume they know and wont accept being wrong. Noone says you have to blindly support, what is incredulous is the arrogance that is portrayed by some in assuming they know everything. It may not be the intent but that is how it translates.

 

So there's no middle ground in between going Rah Rah Rah and continuously poisoning the well with negativity? You're intellectual honesty doesn't allow you to be a little less flamboyantly critical?

 

Its a debate the front office started the day they benched Henne in favor of Pennington. I am just a fan, and I don't have a say nor do I have the expertise to say who would be better for us to have. However I have been watching football all of my 51 years, and I can tell you, without a doubt in my mind, that the QB situation we have now, is unquestionably the worst we have had in all of those 46 seasons I have followed the Miami Dolphins.

This is a QB driven league, and this regime seems determined to go against the grain when it comes to modern NFL offense. They are a square peg trying to fit into a round hole. They are their own worst enemies. They complain when the crowd cries for Orton, well then why did you let that information go public ? If it was Denver that leaked it, then before you negotiate you make it clear to them that if they let it go public, or if it comes from their side, you will deny any knowledge of it. Then break off negotiations.....that was how to handle that so that now it looks like to fans that the regime was trying to replace Henne. They are being told on one hand they are wrong to boo Henne, yet on the other, the regime is saying we don't want Henne either, as we are negotiating with Denver for his replacement. You all know there was no way they trade for Orton and he is not the starter, unless our FO really are complete idiots, so to tell us there will be a QB competition and then your actions show otherwise, how can some of us, who already have questions about their competence now are supposed to support them and their QB they wanted to dump, 100% ? C'mon give me a break.

 

The majority of Dolfans don't have a friggin clue what they're talking about and no one, especially the FO, cares what they think.

 

I'm specifically talking about Henne. He is totally damaged goods here. There is a large number of fans that will never believe in him now, unless he does win a SB or takes us to one. In a way I do feel sorry for Henne, because most if not all of this past weeks fan reaction, is a direct cause & affect from what the front office was doing last week, in negotiating with another team for his replacement. Henne has to really feel isolated right now.

Well if he is worthy of my support, he will react to it, with a fire in his belly, and strive to do all he can do to win and prove me & others wrong. Can he do it ? Sure, but will he do it, I don't believe he will.

 

The FO didnt start anything, as if they factored in reaction. Many qbs have been pulled and sat, Warner was sat and benched for ineffectiveness. Went to Ariz as a backup. You are a taking a factual event and interpreting it how you are seeing it and saying it is fact. Well you dont have any actual facts that Sparano thinks Henne cant play. Only true evidence is he does think Henne can improve and play but wants to have options caused he is not 100% sure. Henne final sheet is unknown, you may believe it s known but that is opinion not fact, just as your interpretation of teh facts

 

Your attempts to make something appear ridiculously extreme have squashed all remnants of credibility.

 

So you're on a witch hunt is what you're saying?

 

Post this clip everywhere you can Killah, maybe we can make it go national..

Why dont the beat writers do a story on the great fans we do have that had the class to flip it and understand..

 

Then I guess you and me just have a different interpretation of respect. In my mind, everyone's opinions are to be respected. The point of a message board isn't to show who is right or wrong, it's to discuss and allow people to give their feelings on a subject.

Who are you to decide who should be checked or shouldn't? You know they were incorrect. You knew that you stood by the guy and what you believed turned out to be right. Isn't that enough? I don't see the need for the continuing onslaught of people because you or anyone else would judge that it's the correct thing to do.

I dunno. Can't we all just discuss, vent, debate, and be civil while remembering to realize that it's the common theme that brings us here (the Miami Dolphins). We're all fans. We all pay money to the team in some fashion I'm sure. And we all want to win. What it takes to get there is where we may differ.

Again just don't understand the showmanship my generation has come to do. It's ridiculous, IMO.

 

How about just letting it go? In the grand scheme of things, is a guy calling you a f****** homer about your favorite football team on an Internet message board really that big of a deal? I mean seriously.

You all can call me whatever you want, I'm sure most of you all feel the same way, and at the end of the day I keep that same view above.

 

The team trying to trade for his replacement, and doing it PUBLICALLY is not "bad stuff" ? His calling out the fans in the last game last year when they started booing him, after he threw the game losing interception ? That isn't "bad stuff" ? Having fans boo you & call for your replacement isn't "bad stuff" ? C'mon, get real.

As for this supposed "hatred" I have for Henne, I don't. I think he would be fine as our # 2 on the roster. Again you are taking my "unbelief" in Henne's ability to take us to where we want to be as "hatred". I don't know the man, so how can I hate him ? I just don't believe in his ability to get us wins as a QB. Then the front office has done a HORRIBLE job in developing him. The mixed signals, the horrible OC in Henning (that should never have been calling plays last year), forcing Henne to play a style of football he is not best suited for, and then telling him not to make mistakes. Then when he does, he is left out on an island and the front office tries to replace him.

Hatred I don't have for Henne, unbelief yes. Now can your mind grasp that at all ?