I think that the clear answer is Ron Rivera, at least out of those names. That's where my list would start.

 

i would like to stay with Cam but if he is gone i say Cower or Rivera

 

Bill Parcells or Tom Heckert (Philly GM) as GM with Jason Garrett as coach.

 

There is no way I would hire Jason Garrett to coach this team with the lack of demonstrated excellence for a sustained period in coaching.

 

Please stop with Jason Garett people he would be a worse a cam

 

If Dallas thought like that they wouldn't have a great OC right now. The guy is a natural born coach. He will be a head coach in the next 2 years. No doubt about it. Hell he might push out Wade soon if someone doesn't make a move.

What cause they both work as an OC. Please. Weak argument.

If were going to use that argument then you can't have Marty cause retread coaches don't work here either (Jimmy Johnson, Wanny) or we can't go defensive coaches cause Wanny sucked it up or we can't use college coaches cause of Saban.

Cameron/Garrett are not the same type of person at all.

 

I have to say I don't get the Garrett=Cam talk, but I don't buy this "great OC" talk about Garrett. The Cowboys are running the same offense from what I can tell that Jason Garrett inherited. Him being smart enough to not Mularkey it up isn't the same thing in my book as him being a "great OC". I'll grant that you're just being aggressive in naming your coach when I'm being a bit more conservative, but I think being overly aggressive is what got us into the mess we were in with Saban. I think you can argue that being overly conservative is what got us Wannstedt, though.

 

Come on there was talk that Dallas was going to give him the head coaching job if Miami balked at letting him go last off season. Pundits everywhere have stated he will be a head coach somewhere.

It's aggressive, it's ballsy and it's what the team needs. It's worked for the Steelers time and again hiring young guys and letting them go at it (Cowher, Tomlin).

Meanwhile we have people going for 'names'. They want Cowher who currently is in retirement (did we not learn our lesson with Saban about trying to pull someone from a situation they like?), or Marty who quite frankly is getting up there and I'd be surprised if he coached more then a couple more years. Bill Parcells isn't going to coach anymore. He's stated it time and time again and has actively put out feelers for a GM spot. Ron Rivera was so hot that Chicago dumped him and he has interviewed multiple times for a head coaching job and not gotten it. Rumor has it Mike Singletary is the Falcons target. If he is then he's already off the list.

This team needs to target a young up and comer. No more of these old retreads who the game has passed by.

Honestly I don't even know that Miami could get Jason without a very lucrative offer. He's destined to be the Dallas Cowboys head coach right now. It wouldn't surprise me if they fired Wade there and handed the reigns to Jason if Miami made the attempt.

 

Cam..if not Cam Dom...if not Dom ...Marty S...if not Marty S..Ron Rivera..

Cam because I think he needs another season, Dom if we wipe everything out and rebuild, Marty S if we want a quick turnaround and Rivera because a defensive HC seems to work better for rebuilding teams then a Offensive HC typically does...

 

I think Jones will throw a ton of dough at Garrett, and that will keep him content. I don't think he will be in a rush to take a HC job somewhere. He's built a big rep, and he and everyone else knows he's a good offensive mind. He and Wade have a good thing going(to my disgust). I don't see that party getting broken up just yet.

I'd like Cowher. Im thoroughly humbled by this season. I just want a coach who doesn't look lost or scared on the sidelines. A mean, tough coach with guts who will NEVER allow a team to be in the gutter. A guy who leads a team that always competes. Visions of grandeur and perfection is ridiculous. No one wins ALL the time. I just want to be good most of the time. Thats Bill Cowher.

 

If you ask anyone whose been with FinHeaven for a long time. I'm usually preaching patience. Only 2 folks I can't be patient with. Cam and his odd decision making and the over hyped Channing Crowder who I called out last summer as such while preaching patience with Jason Allen.

Cam to me I would love to have as an OC. I don't think he gets it as a HC and that boxing match rumor just lends way too much weight to it.

I'd agree if he was a FA coach, but the fact he retired and I believe there are other teams that would be more attractive to him. I just don't see him coming into this mess.

 

Those same pundits were all over Nick Saban, Bobby Petrino, and Cam Cameron. I don't make my decisions about who to support based on the pundits.

I'm with you so far. I don't want any of those folks near this team in a coaching role.

I also frankly don't trust the judgment of the teams who have interviewed him. How many times has he interviewed with a team that has actually figured out its coaching situation since his interview with them? I think he's hardly a retread and the decline of the Bears is something you can largely trace to his absence. That's pretty impressive to me.

I'm essentially with you there. I want somebody with the desire and more importantly with the creativity to do this job right.

 

Not the pundits I listen to. There was a lot of backlash about hiring college coaches (and really Atlanta should have learned from Saban) and Cameron wasn't exactly a well lauded placement. Sure Peter King might have humped their legs, but that's Peter King ;p

 

No Actually jimmie johnson would have been a good coach if he just continued to build the franchise and dont start with wanny just because he had one good season doesnt make him like marty and come to think about it i think only don shula has more wins then him but im not sure. i want someone with experince not jason garrett a oc thats coached in the nfl for 5 years.

 

I agree on the Cam front. Seems like a nice guy and a solid OC. But the pickings were slim last year, and there is no doubt, if the Chargers had a little more class and fired Marty sooner..we'd have at least 5 or 6 wins with him as our coach. We're not an 0-16, 2-14 team. We're better than that personnel wise. Cam is here because the pickings were slim.

Cowher retired to get out of his contract if I'm not mistaken. His intensions we're always rather obvious to coach again. We are a mess, but Miami is a good place to work in this business.

 

Err Jason Garrett was our 3rd QB in 2004 ;p

Miami did the only smart thing in the last few years and made him a QB coach the moment he retired and he parlayed that to Dallas going after him hard in just 2 seasons.

That points out the other failings. Miami has failed to groom younger coaches. Miami is in love with the 'retread'. Heck we had our DC replacement yet stupidly fired him when he wouldn't take an extension. A direct reason why our DL has gone downhill.

Good thing with young coaches is that they will scour for good young talent in the coaching ranks and that's how trees are formed.

 

Yea thats what i was thinking though hire marty and when his age catches up with him and he calls it quits then we bring in a experinced young coach like garrett but not this year.

 

That's all Miami needs is another coaching change in a couple years.

 

Cowher didn't retire to get out of a contract. Cowher retired because he didn't want to coach any more for at least a little bit. The team that takes him back is going to be taking the risk that he's Jimmy Johnson redux. I give him 2 more years minimum before he takes a new job.

I agree with a lot of the principles behind VDP's support of Garrett. I just don't think there are other principles that strongly argue Garrett isn't our guy or anybody's guy at the moment. He's a 3rd year coach who is also 3 years out from playing. We do need a young coach who is creative and who will take this franchise in a bold direction known as excellence. We need a coach who will bring in a couple of younger position coaches who are ready to become coordinators and several Jason Garretts to be position coaches, be they lateral hires from other teams, college assistants, or former players getting into coaching.

I think it should scare the crap out of anyone supporting Garrett that the always bold Jerry Jones didn't think Garrett was ready to be coach this year. Does one year of being an OC in an offense you inherited really season you so much that you're ready to be a head coach? I just can't go there.

 

It worked for dallas

 

It's not a matter of either picking Marty or some 3rd year former player who has just gotten into coaching. Ron Rivera has 10 years in as a coach and is still plenty young and creative. Don't fall for the false dichotomy.

While Tomlin is a decade younger than Rivera because he didn't have that pesky professional football player experience Rivera has, Tomlin's resume looks a LOT MORE like Rivera's than Garrett's.

 

Since you edited to add this, I'll address it separately. Following the trend in the NFL is the surest way to find yourself behind the league. Look at all the teams that went to the 3-4 because they saw teams doing it well. Most of them stank, got coaches fired, and went back to the 4-3. You don't pick up a guy right off the bus just because the guy in Oakland has done marginally better than expected.

You win in the NFL by being the trendsetter, not the follower.

 

Cowher was looking for a raise, and it didn't happen if I recall correctly. He decided he wanted to leave Pittsburgh, if they wouldn't break the bank for him...through retirement. His ultimate intensions were to still coach again though.

And I'm not sure why you give Garrett so little credit. All season long, any Cowboy game you watch, they praise the hell out of Garrett's situational play calling. What coach doesn't inherit their present situation? The Cowboy's this year however, are an offensive Juggernaut. They were not last year.

 

What?

What?

WHAT?!?!?!?

The Cowboys were 4th in points and 6th in yardage last year. That was with a QB in his first year starting. If you give me the choice of crediting Garrett with the improvement from 4th/6th to 2nd or crediting Romo for maturing as a starter in his second season playing, it's a no brainer who gets the credit.

 

Y'know, JJ in spite of how close to home it hits us; there's nonetheless, something really funny about one of our coaches being the cause of a newly coined phrase. Wasn't that the movie Kingpin with the "Munson" phrase about screw ups?
Anyway, I read your responses in this thread and I wanted to ask you
1. Why Ron Rivera? and....
2. Why not Marty?

 

I'd spread the credit around a little bit. This years Cowboys offense is doing rare things. If not for the Patriots making them look pedestrian, they're one of the most potent offenses in years. Good as they were last year.

 

Honestly, it's not so much that I'm fixated on Rivera as much as he's the guy I start with and who I'd probably hire if nobody better came in to interview. There very well may be a better assistant out there. I think the way the Bears D has moved from being a top 5 defense in 2005 and 2006 to being in the bottom half of the league this year is strong evidence that Rivera's absence has seriously hurt that team. I also like how his defense made measurable progress in his first year (2004) over the 2003 version of the defense before jumping to elite status for 2005-2006. That's the type of effect good coaching is supposed to have on measurables.

1) Marty has illustrated that he can't win the big game for whatever reason. It honestly may be luck.
2) Marty is way too old to take over not just a new coaching job but the biggest rebuilding job in the league. Rebuilding can happen quickly in this league, but we can't count on that. It's not that Marty is a terrible choice if absolutely nobody good could be found, but somebody better can be found. He'd be a respectable caretaker, and this team can do better than that if it chooses wisely.

 

I'm not going to be TOO picky at this point. I simply want a tough leader with some balls. I wish we had Tomlin. At least Steeler fans can look on their sidelines and see a young, mean, tough looking man with confidence and purpose. I'd kill for that. We got Shaggy and Scooby freakin Do(Armstrong).

 

a better question would be who wants the dolphins? i chose parcells but i think he should be our GM and we should take ron rivera as our coach. obviously thats gonna be tough but i think we need to clean house

 

That's a false dichotomy. You're taking a spectrum of choices and making it into an either-or situation. That's not how it works.

You can hire an up and comer who has an appropriate level of demonstrated coaching experience. That's what Tomlin had. That's what Rivera has going for him. Singletary is a little light on experience in my book, but I'd say he would represent what I would find minimally acceptable. Just as you wouldn't let a bright college junior design your bridge or let a bright first year medical student perform open heart surgery on you, you can't let a coach who is too green take over your team. The temptation may be great, but chances are it's going to end up hurting both that coach's career and your organization.

 

Don't put too much stock into emotion on the sidelines. Tony Dungy and Lovie Smith are virtually like moving statues on the sidelines, and they're pretty good coaches the last I checked. A coach can have whatever style he likes as long as it's effective. If Dick Vermiel were 15 years or more younger, I'd be fine with having him as our coach, tears and all.

 

For God sake I hope it's not Dom Capers.

 

I want Bill Parcells as G.M. and Mike Singletary as coach. We need a motivator, and intimidator as a coach to spark some enthusiasm in the players. Cam just shows NONE of that.