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What I see happening in 2023-2024 season

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Dorfdad, Jan 14, 2023.

  1. The_Dark_Knight

    The_Dark_Knight Defender of the Truth

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    Please tell me after last night (and the entire Buccaneers' season for that matter) you are still not on this Brady train?

    If you are, please...and I say this with the deepest sincerity...

    There are many decaffeinated brands on the market today that are just as tasty as the real thing.
     
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  2. StaleTacos

    StaleTacos Well-Known Member

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  3. Tuanon4Life

    Tuanon4Life Well-Known Member

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    I don't care what comes out of Grier's mouth about Tua for next season. If Brady wants the job then Ross will make Grier sign him.
     
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  4. StaleTacos

    StaleTacos Well-Known Member

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    Definitely. You think an 83 year old Ross is going to patiently await Tua to have his first full healthy season since high school? Just gamble on production and health another season. Sign another Bridgewater or Brissett to backup? Just not happening if Brady can be had for no picks (which they don't have).
     
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  5. Silverphin

    Silverphin Well-Known Member

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    Yes. Because Tom Brady has inspired so much confidence.
     
  6. hitman8

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    Old Tom Brady is still better than Tua, at least he can actually play a whole season.
     
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  7. cbrad

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    After seeing the game yesterday I disagree. Even with Tua injured we made it to 9-8. Brady with no injuries, Tampa ended 8-9. And both teams failed in the playoffs. Brady is an average QB now. Age has finally caught up with him. I was initially on board with Brady to the Dolphins (if at all realistic), but after yesterday no longer.
     
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  8. Fireland

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    If he was 39 or 40 everyone would assume he was washed. Him making it to this age has convinced everyone that he is ageless and will never fall off.
     
  9. StaleTacos

    StaleTacos Well-Known Member

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    People trying to judge Brady on one game are completely insane. He had games in NE where he looked completely cooked, he then went on to win a Super Bowl. Let's not be silly.
     
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  10. Silverphin

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    On what planet?
     
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  11. cbrad

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    Yeah but the big difference this time is he's 45. No other QB has ever started an NFL game past the age of 44. Testaverde, Moon and DeBerg did that at age 44 but not 45. It's really hard to argue that somehow age doesn't affect Brady. He's already in record territory. This can't last much longer, just statistically speaking. I would not take a chance on a QB who played average this season hoping that somehow it's the anomalies of anomalies given his age.
     
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  12. Tuanon4Life

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    Good point. I'm 44 and I'm already starting to feel like I'm running out of time to see Miami win a SB. Ross must feel so desperate to win now. That's why I think Brady will be here next season.
     
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  13. Vertical Limit

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    Even with his struggles this season, hes better than anything we have right now and its not even close..

    the one thing though, im telling brady that his passing attempts are going to take a dive. I dont want to see him passing the ball over 30 attempts per game.

    he had 66 attempts. And i promise everyone here, if they had cut the attempts by half, the buccaneers would have had a shot, they may have even won. That end zone interception was brain damage by brady and byron leftwich. Im running fournette 4 times.
     
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  14. Tuanon4Life

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    No QB has ever taken care of themselves like Brady has. There's a reason he's still playing at this age. Not to mention he really hasn't taken the beating generations before him had to take.
     
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  15. StaleTacos

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    What QBs played as well as Brady has ages 43-45 with all games started?
     
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  16. Silverphin

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    Even if I did believe that, you're basically rolling the dice on a QB that will be 46 years old before the preseason starts.
     
  17. hitman8

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    Brady still has a better arm, better football IQ, and better durability than Tua, even at his age. If we are going for a SB next year I like our chances better with Brady than with Tua.

    Tua has limitations and just cannot be depended on to last a whole season.
     
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  18. StaleTacos

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    Insane they ran so little. Leftwich got fired for good reason.
     
  19. cbrad

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    No one. He's in record territory. But it's now 2 times in the last 4 years he's ended at 18th in passer rating, the lowest ever for him. He's also never had 2 years out of 4 in his career where he was at (or below) league average until the last 4 years. There are signs here that something is starting to give. I wouldn't just take this year's average performance as an off year for him like it was twice before in his career (2013 and 2019). I mean.. at some point age HAS to catch up, and gambling on Brady being so far beyond everyone else after an average year is not a good gamble IMO.
     
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  20. StaleTacos

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    Combine Tua, Skylar, and Bridgewater's numbers and then compare them to Brady this season.

    That's ultimately the comparison people need to be looking at. Tua is responsible for anyone who plays when he's on his annual leave. That's why we need Brady.
     
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  21. Silverphin

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    And he still finished 18the league in passer rating.
     
  22. cbrad

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    Tua has much better accuracy though. And the "clutch" factor that Brady so often had definitely did not show itself yesterday. Ultimately you have to look at results, and they're not that different even including Tua's injuries, in which case I'd go with the younger QB that has the potential to improve.
     
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  23. TheHighExhaulted

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    Did anyone see Brady put Justin Gage in the hospital last night?

    Edit: Russel Gage
     
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  24. cbrad

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    Dolphins as a team had a 95.0 rating while Tampa as a team had a 89.8 rating.
     
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  25. TheHighExhaulted

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    Lol
     
  26. StaleTacos

    StaleTacos Well-Known Member

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    Brady was 90.7. I'm saying the gap isn't large. Now do it over 3 years and the choice is easy.
     
  27. TheHighExhaulted

    TheHighExhaulted Well-Known Member

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    No, you assumed Brady was higher.
     
  28. StaleTacos

    StaleTacos Well-Known Member

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    A troll without intelligence has entered the chat.
     
  29. hitman8

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    Yeah, and the dolphins have better recievers, it's not just about the QB. Brady with hill and waddle could do wonders.
     
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  30. cbrad

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    If the gap isn't large you go with the younger guy.

    As far as using the last 3 years, that might make sense for Brady (his rating is 98.1 at Tampa over 3 years.. but it's 95.6 over last 4 years going back to Brady's first bad year in 2019 in that 4-year period I was referring to) but not for Tua. QBs that last long in the league generally improve their first 3-4 years, and Tua is so far following that mold. For Tua you need to look at year 3 as the better predictor of what happens in year 4 etc. Hard to argue we're going back to the Tua we saw in years 1-2.
     
  31. cbrad

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    Tampa has Evans, Godwin and Jones. It's hard to make the argument Tampa is lacking in WR talent.
     
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  32. TheHighExhaulted

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    Tua did wonders, Hill and Waddle had career years, all because he has great receivers. Now Brady is going to be better because he has great receivers.

    It's ****ing backwards. Lol
     
  33. StaleTacos

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    You are assuming Tua will last long in the league which is a rather crazy leap considering his history. Year 3 of Tua isn't an actual representation of who he is. The final MONTH of the season Tua had a 52.59 completion % with a 80.5 rating. Defenses were catching up, and he missed a lot of difficult opponents.
     
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  34. cbrad

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    Neither Tua nor Brady may last long. I don't see a big difference there. And you don't cherry pick the last month for comparison purposes. I think the last month shows Tua choked in 2 out of 3 must-win games (SF wasn't a must-win), and that's something he needs to improve on, but for comparing overall effectiveness you have to use the entire year.

    btw.. regarding the defensive adjustments, McDaniel and Tua now have an entire offseason to further improve. I wouldn't discount that extra time. Tua clearly is a better QB in year 3 than in years 1-2.
     
  35. StaleTacos

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    You are cherrypicking this year, which is essentially a few months. I'm just breaking it up further to show you defenses learned what McDaniel was doing and took away the middle of the field. Messed with Tua's timing by bumping receivers. Once that was done, Tua was cooked for an entire month and went 0-4. Additionally, he missed very difficult opponents. You are looking at a mirage with Tua. Things will normalize and he'll be average-ish even if he stays upright.
     
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  36. cbrad

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    OK that's a prediction, and we'll see whether you're right or wrong, but based on the data we have, Tua and Brady in their current states (including Tua's injuries) are leading similarly effective (or non-effective) offenses. So back to the original question, if the difference isn't that large I'd go with the young QB that has the potential to improve.
     
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  37. StaleTacos

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    I'd go with the one that has shown greatness as recent as last season, and has a career of greatness. Not to mention, being able to actually stay on the field so we don't have to start Skylar Thompson in two straight win or go home games. Give him McDaniel's scheme and weapons. Offseason of focus. He's 2021 Brady. That upside is just too sexy.
     
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  38. Fireland

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    Dolphins with 48 year old Brady would be pretty funny to watch so maybe this is a good idea
     
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  39. cbrad

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    Most impressive "old" champion I can think of in any sport was Randy Couture keeping the UFC Heavyweight title until the age of 45. I think even if Brady somehow wins another SB that for me will be the epitome of what an athlete can do at an advanced age.
     
  40. RGF

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    Is he better than Tua right now?
    Not talking durability, I'm talking overall level of play .
     

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