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What makes so many of you sure Dumbo won't push Queasy's make or break year to 2016?

Discussion in 'SoapBox - Rants forum' started by LBsFinest, Jun 6, 2015.

  1. LBsFinest

    LBsFinest Banned

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    We all thought 2014 was the year Philbin had to **** or get off the pot, but we were wrong, Ross kept him, referencing the last year on his deal... a 9-7 season (which in this division might be good for 3rd place) with no playoffs, but yet an improvement on the last couple years, I mean that might be enough for Ross to do the exact same thing again this year.

    I know Tannenbaum runs the show now but Philbin still appears to be the owners call, Mike T will almost certainly call for Philbin's head in that scenario, but he probably wanted him gone this offseason after yet another non-winning season and Ross still wasn't swayed, convincing him to move on after an actual winning season might prove just as difficult.
     
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  2. scotty_irnbru

    scotty_irnbru Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Wait. What? You don't like Ross or Philbin? This is news to me. Colour me shocked LBSFINEST.
     
  3. Pauly

    Pauly Season Ticket Holder

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    It's just ridiculous that the man who owns the teams thinks that he has some sort of control over his team. Doesn't he know he should be listening to angry random voices on the internet.
     
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  4. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    i don't think Ross is an illogical person, philbin has to wi this year or else..pretty simple.
     
  5. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    hmm, if we go 9 and 7, do we retain philbin?......i think it will depend on the last quarter of the season, the context of how the season plays out, if we have a bunch of wins against graded out poor teams and fold again in the final quarter..no beuno.
     
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  6. CashInFist

    CashInFist Well-Known Member

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    He is not producing a winning product. For some strange reason, fans don't like that...

    However, I think calling him Dumbo is going a little overboard. LOL

    I do like the moves Ross made this past offseason, especially the Mike Tannenbaum acquisition. Dude seems to be on fire since he got here. I truly think it's playoffs or bust this season for Philbin and Co. The excuses are over.
     
  7. P h i N s A N i T y

    P h i N s A N i T y My Porpoise in Life

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    ... setting the table for the childish rants to come. They're pretty much inevitable.
     
  8. Ohio Fanatic

    Ohio Fanatic 30 years and counting Club Member

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    way to continue the lack of originality LBF.
     
  9. LBsFinest

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    I mean if it was up to him Ginger Jeff would still be a part of this front office.

    we said this last year.
     
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  10. MikeHoncho

    MikeHoncho -=| Censored |=- Club Member

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    I know the month is still young but you're on a roll!

    ps. please nobody get bent out of shape, I do this in good sport
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  11. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh Club Member

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    Um....it was up to him......

    Maybe the problem is you don't understand how things work.
     
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  12. Fin4Ever

    Fin4Ever Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    It's because of his big Ears !...Lol..:lol:
     
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  13. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    well, i was with you that we should of went in a new direction, but with lazor and hickey being added to the mix, maybe it was the right move to let him hang for another year.

    im not sure I'm following you on ireland, didn't ross fire him?
     
  14. Bpk

    Bpk Premium Member Luxury Box

    Totally disagree LBs.


    He looks more like Goofy than Dumbo.
     
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  15. PhinFan1968

    PhinFan1968 Rosen's Roughnecks Club Member

    I don't recall Ross ever saying ANY year was a make or break year...it's all fan made-up wishful thinking.

    What makes you so sure you know what Ross thinks?
     
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  16. ATLFINFAN

    ATLFINFAN Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    IF I REMEMBER RIGHT.............again...................Ross said LAST year that 'he believes in what we are building'. That tells me, Philbin isn't going anywhere, anytime soon.
    There was a lot to change in the locker room. I'm betting Philbin will be back next year.
     
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  17. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    this fanbase will not support another losing season, not with a new stadium coing in, aint happening, win or you gone.
     
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  18. jdang307

    jdang307 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I can't remember if the info was Fight Club or not, but LB isn't wrong.

    EDIT: Nevermind, it's out in the open.

    Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/sports/nfl/miami-dolphins/article1959041.html#storylink=cpy

    http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/s...ns-jeff-ireland-is-out-as-general-mana/ncfhk/

    LB was right, everyone who claimed he was wrong, is wrong (Not you DJ).
     
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  19. LBsFinest

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    Thought it was common knowledge Ross wanted Ireland to stay on in a lesser role....after Aponte and Philbin stabbed him in the back and essentially cost him his job running the team.

    You think our search for Ireland's replacement was embarrassing.... imagine him accepting the demotion and now Ross has to find a guy willing to inherit Philbin, Aponte, and the Ginger, all 3 still in the owner's good graces and likely answering only to him, ready to turn on each other at the drop of a dime to save their jobs.

    lmao I crack up just thinking about what could have been....I don't think there's another owner clueless enough to not realize what a toxic mess that would have been.
     
  20. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    but I've never heard of a gm accepting a demotion and allowing a new person to come in and be top dog in the personnell dept..
     
  21. CashInFist

    CashInFist Well-Known Member

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    I was thinking Droopy Dog.
     
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  22. LBsFinest

    LBsFinest Banned

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    Well of course you haven't, no general manager with an ounce of pride would accept that...which is why it was so silly for Ross to present that option in the first place. He is far too loyal to the undeserving.
     
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  23. LBsFinest

    LBsFinest Banned

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    True...but he did say this after we signed Suh:


    I don't know what he thinks, that's my whole point, I've heard it's playoffs or bust for Philbin this year, and his words back in March sort of allude to this being a make or break year, but the man is somewhat unpredictable.
     
  24. Paul 13

    Paul 13 Chaotic Neutral Staff Member

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    agreed. well put.
     
  25. CashInFist

    CashInFist Well-Known Member

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    I don't think Hickey had much of a choice. Mike Tannenbaum was coming in to run the show, and Hickey could either be on board and ride the wave or be fired. That's just, imo.
     
  26. Disgustipate

    Disgustipate Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    There aren't any guarantees with Ross other than that he will find a way to be an embarrassing ****-up
     
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  27. LBsFinest

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    I was talking about Ireland....but now that you mention it, I guess I completely overlooked the fact that Hickey might have been forced to accept the same demotion that Ireland rejected...that is of course if Tannenbaum is truly the one running the personnel dept now, which I would assume to be the case, despite reports that power still lies with Hickey.

    Who knows who really has final say, who can overrule who, the front office has been a cluster**** for the longest, seems like there's always some confusion as to who's making the decisions, who answers to who, who has job security and who doesn't, etc....
     
  28. finfansince72

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    He got the coach he always wanted coaching at Michigan, next year he'll work on the Dolphins coaching staff.
     
  29. Paul 13

    Paul 13 Chaotic Neutral Staff Member

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    Well, now that I disagree with. This is Tannenbaum's team in terms of the decisions that are currently being made... unless, of course, Ross is overruling him... which won't be the first time an NFL owner has done that and certainly won't be the last. Not sure bringing in Suh was an owner overruling moment... but he obviously told the FO to get it done, no matter what. As he did with Mike Wallace... as he did with Brandon Albert.
     
  30. Larryfinfan

    Larryfinfan 17-0...Priceless Club Member

    As to Queasy's status after this year, it's likely (given Dumbo's history) that if we break even again he'll find an excuse to not can the guy...that's his MO and we have to learn to live with that....

    As to the second paragraph, I have to agree with a few others here that this FO is different now that TBaum is running the show... It's pretty apparently clear that things are different now...that said, because we've suffered thru 15 yrs of FO unrest, it's hard to get that stench out of our minds...

    Bottom Line: We'll, once again, have to wait and see....
     
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  31. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I like the symbiotic relationship between hickey and tannebaum, we know who's making the personnel decisions, and to understand the dynamic in place, and i think it works well don't you?
     
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  32. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    so don't you think he knew that and knew that if he presented the scenario as such he would ultimately get the result that was desired?
     
  33. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    he's not making final decisions on personnel imo, but think as you wish.
     
  34. Rocky Raccoon

    Rocky Raccoon Greasepaint Ghost Staff Member

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    Like all the money he is putting into renovating the stadium and making it much more fan-friendly?

    Yeah, what a ****-up.
     
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  35. Rocky Raccoon

    Rocky Raccoon Greasepaint Ghost Staff Member

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    He also hired Mike Tannenbaum, who seems to be doing a great job.

    ****-up!
     
  36. Disgustipate

    Disgustipate Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Let's wait until this particular egg is hatched?

    He hired a guy who was fired by a bad team and has some warts, and jammed him awkwardly into another bizarre power structure.

    I liked this off-season, but hiring Mike Tannenbaum and the way it was done was pure Stephen Ross.
     
  37. Rocky Raccoon

    Rocky Raccoon Greasepaint Ghost Staff Member

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    So it doesn't count because the project isn't finished yet? Do you think they're going to change their minds half-way through?

    I'm not saying Ross has been the greatest owner ever, but it's not fair to act like he hasn't done good things either.
     
  38. Disgustipate

    Disgustipate Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    No, it doesn't count because no one has had a chance to actually experience the thing that you're claiming was a good and valuable thing.
     
  39. jdallen1222

    jdallen1222 He can smell your fear

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    Ross and Philbin are both learning on the job. Ross has been the owner for a while now and I don't think he will repeat past mistakes. If the team doesn't make the playoffs, firing Philbin will be on Tannenbaum's hands and Ross will probably cede more control if he hasn't already. I believe that's what he has learned as an owner, or will learn once this season is over. Give the decision making to people who dedicate their lives to this stuff, sign the checks and smile. He still needs to learn what to say and not to say, but that is less detrimental to the team than front office decision making. I'm still out on Philbin, because he is a first time head coach I believe he went through some growing pains just like Ross, and maybe Ross can relate to that. As long as past mistakes aren't repeated but learned from, I will support our coach.
     
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  40. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh Club Member

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    That's not allowed. Coaches and owners must be finished projects. So to must players.
     

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