MC, I accept your gracious words and your assertion that you meant no offense. I likewise accept that Two Tacos intended no offense either. But FinD has been the wisest one of this discussion. To simply return evil for evil or insult for insult or even thoughtless statement for thoughtless statement advances the world not one step! One of my regular prayers (or maybe my agonies) is "God protect me from the people on my side!" Unquestionably to me the biggest obstacle to the proclamation of the Christian faith today is the actions of too many Christians. Many of the attributes of people who exhibit the traits you mention MC or that have gotten in your face TT are the people of whom I speak. Yet, dismissing them or worse using their same tactics does your side no more credit than their actions please God. I am simply calling for civil, respectful discussion of all topics, even religion and faith. FinD was right, it likely means I truly am mad for asking for such in cyberspace. I hope that in 15+ years here (or in its predecessor sites) I have witnessed to my faith by my actions and respect for others. If you never meet another thoughtful Christian in your everyday life, I would hope that RevRick and Padre and theRev and even myself have acted in ways that suggest that not all Christians act the same way and certainly not in the caricatured ways of others.